Armenism

[Armen]

Doesn't this number seem unrealistic, mildly speaking?

Considering the source Sasun jan it is not strange. ACNIS may be a relatively good think tank (in terms of Armenia) for some minor analysis but polls are their new business and they are total amateurs on that. There is a specialized that conducts polls ("Social Opinion" (?) not sure). They are lot more credible because they have polling networks developed during the last decade.

[gamavor]

Job for you TK! They need translators from Armenian to English!

 

http://www.geocities.com/armenism/

[shaunt]

Never again shall we revert to worshipping Iranian Gods...never again.

 

We can thank the preservation of our identity to Christianity.

[ED]

Never again shall we revert to worshipping Iranian Gods...never again.

 

We can thank the preservation of our identity to Christianity.

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Maybe we can thank also Christianity? I think that would be more appropriate, I’m sure those heroes we have and had thru out our history did not have only faith/church in mind when they went into the battle, I remember reading about Sardarapat battle where priests from Echmiadzin armed with anything they can fight with went into battle NOT to preserve only the Christianity. Same can be said about Crimian Hayrig, Komitas, Nerses Shnorhali, Mesrop Mashtots, Vartan Mamikonian and many others

 

Some group of people intend to identify them self true out religion, and I’m sure you know who, but Armenians maintained unique characteristic even throughout Christianity which I think Armenian church is a national institution, but solely to thank fait for our preservation simply is not correct.

[Artsakh]

Armenism is a national ideology. It is close to the "tseghagron" movement began by the great Garegin Njdeh. It is simply healthy, patriotic ideology.

[Artsakh]

Armenism - sounds like a cooked up "religion" for political goals. These guys do not want to have the religion that was initiated by a Jew (or any other non-Armenian for this matter). Since an Armenian has not started any religion they try to create a religion that is exclusively Armenian and "right" for Armenians, but what they have is more like a nazi ideology and has nothing to do with spirituality or humanity.

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If you are talking about Christianity, there is a massive campaign being waged today for its destruction by the very same people who you claim initiated it.

 

secondly, there is nothing "nazi" about it. Armenism is simply patriotic ideology. For instance, in Japan they have the religion known as Shinto, which is based on Japanese nationalist ideology. Do you dare call them Nazis?

[Artsakh]

And lastly, UNlike Nazism, Zionism, Pan-Turkism, which are all bent on world conquest, greed, thrist for blood, Armenian patriotism is pure and clean. We are proud of our culture and language. We are proud of our rich history. We don't want to conquer the world. WE rightfully want what is ours. We are not after anyone's bread or butter. Compare that to the ism's mentioned above, which are all identical and no different from one another.

[Sasun]

Armenism is an artificially created ideological "religion". There has been healthy patriotism and there will always be independently of any ideologies. There is no need to cook up a false religion. It is pretty obvious that people who profess Armenism are against Christianity, the religion of most Armenians. Garegin Nzhdeh was not against Christianity, there is no comparison between Nzhdeh - a man of great accomplishment - and empty idealogists of no importance calling themselves Armenists and imagining that they are creating some sort of a grandiose religion.

[Sasun]

For instance, in Japan they have the religion known as Shinto, which is based on Japanese nationalist ideology.  Do you dare call them Nazis?

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Shintoism is not a religion, but a national tradition.

Edited May 22, 2005 by Sasun

[Artsakh]

Shintoism is not a religion, but a national tradition.

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Really? That's contradictory to real facts.

 

Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

 

Shint? (Japanese: ) is the native religion of Japan and was the state religion of Japan for Japanese militarism in times from about end of the 19th century to the end of World War II. It involves the worship of kami, which could be translated to mean gods, nature spirits, or just spiritual presences. Some kami are very local and can be regarded as the spirit or genius of a particular place, but others represent major natural objects and processes, for example, Amaterasu, the Sun goddess. The word Shinto was created by combining two Chinese characters (??, read shen dao in modern Chinese). The first character means "divine" or "God", and can also be read as "kami" in Japanese. The second character means "way" or "path," and is the character used for the word "Taoism." Thus, Shinto literally means "the way of the kami."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto

[Sasun]

Really? That's contradictory to real facts.

 

Here's what Wikipedia has to say:

 

Shint? (Japanese: ) is the native religion of Japan and was the state religion of Japan for Japanese militarism in times from about end of the 19th century to the end of World War II. It involves the worship of kami, which could be translated to mean gods, nature spirits, or just spiritual presences. Some kami are very local and can be regarded as the spirit or genius of a particular place, but others represent major natural objects and processes, for example, Amaterasu, the Sun goddess. The word Shinto was created by combining two Chinese characters (??, read shen dao in modern Chinese). The first character means "divine" or "God", and can also be read as "kami" in Japanese. The second character means "way" or "path," and is the character used for the word "Taoism." Thus, Shinto literally means "the way of the kami."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinto

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That's what I also thought, but that's not what Japanese people will tell you. Talk to Japanese people, they would now better than anyone else. Many Japanese people will practice Buddhism and also are Shintoists. If fact, western encyclopedias and books have many errors when it comes to explaining matters of religion or what it seems to be a religion. They are simply too superficial, and I can't say that you have a very deep understanding when it comes to religions. That is a source of bigotry.

[Boghos]

http://www.shinto.org/isri/eng/brief-e.html

 

Shinto is Japan's indigenous religion; a complex of ancient folk belief and rituals; basically animistic religion that perceives the presence of gods or of the sacred in animals, in plants, and even in things which have no life, such as stones and waterfalls. The roots go back to the distant past. A large number of items discovered amongst remains dating from the Jomon period (up to 200 B.C.) are thought to have had some magical significance.

 

 

 

In early Japan the diverse local practices did not constitute a religious system; there were groups of ritualists, abstainers and taboo experts, diviners and reciters of tradition. Religion and magic centered in fertility rites and purifications; there were local and seasonal festivals and supernatural forces, with legends of creation and descent of the gods to populate Japan.

 

 

 

Shinto would thus appear to be a Japanese form of religious practice which enjoys close ties with people's everyday lives, and which did so in the past too. It does not seem to have had the form of an organized or systematized religion. Shinto has little theology and no congregational worship. Its unifying concept is 'kami', inadequately translated "god". It only became a systematized religion when it was faced with the competition of the newly-imported religion, Buddhism, which reached Japan in either 538 or 552.

 

 

 

The word Shinto was coined to distinguish the traditional religion from Buddhism and is written with two Chinese characters; the first, 'shin', is used to write the native Japanese word 'kami', meaning "divinity" or "numinous entity", and the second 'to' is used to write the native word 'michi', meaning "way". The term first appears in the historical chronicle 'NIHON SHOKI' (720) where it refers to religious observance, the divinities, and shrines, but not until the late 12th century was it used to denote a body of religious doctrines. Since then, for centuries, the relation between Shinto and Buddhism developed in so various forms that merged one time with establishment of 'Ryobu Shinto' (Two-aspect Shinto) and separated them another time with rediscovery of 'KOJIKI' (712), 'NIHONGI' (720) and other early documents, which revived Shinto (Fukko Shinto) and exalted the emperor as the descendant of the Amaterasu Ohkami, the Sun Goddess, or the Great Glorious Goddess.

 

 

 

The 19th century was a crucial turning point in Shinto history: on the one hand a number of religious movements emerged to form "Kyoha Shinto", or 'Sect Shinto', and on the other the expurgated imperial tradition of Shinto became the state religion giving to the Meiji Restoration of 1868 the superficial appearance of a return to the Age of Gods. Shinto, thus, divided into State Shinto, which had been defined as patriotic ritual incumbent on all Japanese, and Sect Shinto, which had expanded enormously as popular cults, including Tenrikyo, Konkokyo and Kurozumikyo. Among others, Oomoto, by expanding another form of denominational Shinto, was persecuted by the then Japanese government for its unique activities which seemed to stand against the state.

 

 

 

After Japan's defeat in World War II, State Shinto was disestablished and replaced by 'Jinja Shinto', or 'Shrine Shinto', which represents the bulk of Shinto shrines at the regional and local levels. Tens of Sect Shinto organizations revitalized their movements and hundreds of new religious denominations had sprung up standing on the fundamental teachings and practices of Shinto and Buddhism throughout the country.

 

 

 

This text shows only a brief introduction to Shinto. Those who are interested in Shinto are requested to contact the International Shinto Foundation for further study materials. Thank you for your attention.

[kars]

Never again shall we revert to worshipping Iranian Gods...never again.

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That's fine, Shaunt.

 

But please explain, why worshipping Hebrew god(s) is any better than worshipping Iranian gods? Just a question.

[Armena]

Armenism sounds so interesting it attracts me in some way...

[kakachik77]

I just read the other day that the origins of Armenian paganism is also an import, this was more specifically about the "Birth of Vahagn", came with Armeno-Phrygians.

[Sasun]

Armenism sounds so interesting it attracts me in some way...

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Several years ago I felt the same way.

[Anoushik]

Wouldn't it be for our interest to have our own national religion?

[Sasun]

Wouldn't it be for our interest to have our own national religion?

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We have a national religion already. But that is not the point. People should freely choose their religion, there should not be conflicts between ones nationality and religion, otherwise the society will have problems. So if anyone wants to be an Armenist that is their choice, but they should not create any conflicts with Christianity. That is not the case with Armenists, they are outright against Christianity. That is my main concern about Armenists. They think Christianity is the cause of our national problems and that we should have a national religion. In other words, they don't care how individual Armenians would feel about it - they have a one size standard suit for everyone to wear. This is essentially a totalitarian path.

Edited May 23, 2005 by Sasun

[Anoushik]

No, I meant religion that only Armenians have. Like the Jews. Maybe go back to our pagan religion.

[Sasun]

No, I meant religion that only Armenians have. Like the Jews. Maybe go back to our pagan religion.

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Anoushik, I added to my post after you had replied. Basically, what I am saying is, if you feel you should be a pagan, please be so by all means. I find it wrong to say something like "we should have this religion" because you are not giving others choices, everyone should decide for themselves.

Edited May 23, 2005 by Sasun

[ED]

I would want to see an Armenia where everyone is free to have faith in what ever they want to believe in, but!

All of these people would have one thing in common, when that time comes everyone would stand up for Armenia in any needy scenario you can imagine , united under one faith and flag, that is,

believe in what they firstly belong to, to the Homeland, which made it possible for them have the choice for the choosing a religion

[Anoushik]

Anoushik, I added to my post after you had replied. Basically, what I am saying is, if you feel you should be a pagan, please be so by all means. I find it wrong to say something like "we should have this religion" because you are not giving others choices, everyone should decide for themselves.

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I understand.

[Anoushik]

I would want to see an Armenia where everyone is free to have faith in what ever they want to believe in, but!

All of these people would have one thing in common, when that time comes everyone would stand up for Armenia in any needy scenario you can imagine , united under one faith and flag, that is,

believe in what they firstly belong to, to the Homeland, which made it possible for them have the choice for the choosing a religion

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I agree with you completely.

[Sasun]

believe in what they firstly belong to, to the Homeland, which made it possible for them have the choice for the choosing a religion

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This seems like a great ideal. Whereas a totalitarian system where religion or atheism is imposed is hated by its own citizens.

[Artsakh]

I guess you could say i worship the Armenian race, you can call me an Armenist.