Sasun Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 The ignorant people and the and the ones who are awakend for the truth. But don't forget this saying: in the land of the blinds, the one who sees is always blamed to be wrong.. style_images/master/snapback.png I agree with the concept, but not with the implied application. Everyone can claim to be awakened for the truth and start behaving like a parent to his opponents who in his opinion are blind. That will not work. Stalin killed millions believing that he did the parently thing, so did Hitler and so many others. The only thing you can do is just show the path which you think is right. If people feel you are right they will walk along the path. This is the way of great masters such as Jesus Christ, Buddha, Krishna and other, and this is the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armena Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 No one wants to harm a other person. For example; If people are fooled for 1700 years and someone of some group comes and says the truth with the facts, the people will not so easly feel it right and walk along the path you suggest (as Christ also did) because it has penetrated too deep into the minds of people. And you're going to be blamed for talking too much or talking nonsense... Therefore we have to take eachother sirious and see wich benefits it has for the progress of our nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 (edited) when sasun and armen leave this forum, so will a good portion of common sense disappear. armena, it just doesn't make sense. Edited May 25, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 (edited) That's fine, Shaunt. But please explain, why worshipping Hebrew god(s) is any better than worshipping Iranian gods? Just a question. It's not any better, . Regarding Armenism, it has the right idea in saying that we should embrace our pre-Christian roots. But to these ... pre-Christian means Iranian, as can be illustrated by their worship of Vahan as the supreme Armenian pagan deity. It's time to embrace our Balkan roots, Urartian roots, Hurrian roots, Phrygian roots, Thracian roots, Luwian roots, etc. These are our people. But this doesn't necessarily mean we must shut ourselves off from the world. This is how I see things: Looking backward at the proto-Armenians But Moving forward towards the Western world Edit: please don't use insulting words. Edited May 25, 2005 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 You are so wrong my friend, they are already so much further that you cannot even see it because their ideology is not linked with the body. They have worked 2000 year for this, they have nationalism with the deepest feeling of that word. Now a couple people come here and show their new feeling and ideal concerning their nation and people and everything what can get are hard slaps. And just for your information if you speak about Israel concerning the country, it is an arid desertlike country but is one of the richest countries in the world. There are two types of assimilation, 1 a wisely assimilation (with a deep aim) 2 an ignorant assimilation where people of a old and deep culture are fared and disappear meaningless. What has become with Assyrians now. If you have a large ideal (your nation your people) and your race is no longer linked with the material body, but with the idea and philosophy then assimilation is no harm in that case it will only be a grace for our country and people. The time which you say, of assimilation, is in our hands nobody must decide for us when we will assimilate. And indeed seeing the quantity of our people and the general mental evolution of our people we are not yet ready for assimilation. Let me give you a good example, when a parent sees that its child walks on a wrong path, that eventually it will damage her a lot and decides to stop her with words and if it is necessary with action, is that parent thus an Egoist? style_images/master/snapback.png Armena, you had a couple of valid points but I want to bring your attention to one thing. Nationalism in its initial sense is a dieing phenomenon. Especially in Europe. If Nzhdeh was alive, he would surely make a couple of changes to his teaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 when sasun and armen leave this forum, so will a good portion of common sense disappear. style_images/master/snapback.png Armjan, was this a polite and sophisticated invitation to leave the forum? Seriously, thanks for kind words man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Armenism believes that the humanity had first originated on the slops of Mt. Ararat and surrounding land, and it is there, in the Armenian Highland humans had first began to acknowledged the existence of God, His role in the lives of humanity and the purpose of their own being. Armenism believes that this knowledge of divine and the human sense for its purpose had inspired Armenians to create the first world civilization, the kingdom of Aratta also known as Ararat, Arartun and Urartu around 6000-5000 before common era, thus setting forth the precedent for the emergence of other civilizations around the world. Arartun in Armenian means the Home of the Creator, and as such Armenism considers the entire territory of historic Armenia as the Holy Land. style_images/master/snapback.png This sounds like Judaism, except that the Armenians are the chosen people. Armena, honestly I have never read about Armenism before. Is Armenism the same religion that Armenians had before becoming Christians or is it a newly established religion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I agree with the concept, but not with the implied application. Everyone can claim to be awakened for the truth and start behaving like a parent to his opponents who in his opinion are blind. That will not work. Stalin killed millions believing that he did the parently thing, so did Hitler and so many others. The only thing you can do is just show the path which you think is right. If people feel you are right they will walk along the path. This is the way of great masters such as Jesus Christ, Buddha, Krishna and other, and this is the only way. style_images/master/snapback.png we should embrace and start worshipping SaSuN Show me the Light Master Just a Joke Sasun jan - 100% Jisht es Im kArtsiqov 5 tary araj urish kerp kaseyi isk hima iyspes kasem Amen mard Azat e Ir @entutyan mej ( iharke Chapi Sahmannerum ) chnayats chgitem te ov e iyd chap@ dnelu kam standart@ horinelu ? yes el chgitem Yerevi te jish@ sharunekel iyn inch mer papern en mez handznel - yev kam aveli jisht Havatq@ yev Azg@ chxarrnel iraru - havatr@ havatq - isk Azg@ Azg Amenits ver Yev Anhas - inch havatq te Azg chka inchin e petq Havatq@ yete azg@ korum e j@Njvum ... i verjo Catholike HAyn el e Hye - Araqelakann el - Hethanos Hayn el e Hye @endhanur@ Hyen e - isk mnatsats@ da arden andzi sepakan @entrutyun@ te um yev inchpes na ir Havatqi Kurq k@darstni... knunqov Qristonya es yerb k@nqvats es Haykakan Yekeghetsum sakayn voch qo @entrutyamb - iyl tsnoghnerit Tsnundov Hye es - yerb Tsnoghnerits get mek@ Hye e yev statsel es Hayesi dastyarakutyun kan mardiq ov asumente Hye ches minchev ch-k@nqves qristonya - yev kam asum en mek Hye el Avelatsav yerb Manukin k@Nqum en yev xach@ karum v@zits che lurj yes shat em matstsum sra masin iyn astijan or indz arden l@rjoren xangarum e uremn yes yete chunem $750 or im zavakin k@nqem - uremn durs e galsi vor im zavak@ Hye che ??? sxal e - qani or yes n@ran tsnel em Hye yev metsatsnum yev dastyarakumem Hye - sakayn chunem $750 talu yekeretsakanin or im zavakin k@nqi - chunem axper jan yekeretsin el chi k@nqum dzri - uremn inch im zavak@ Hye chi metsana es Codeinov Prometh Syrop@ yerevuma shat xmetsy arden yes el chgitem te inch em uzzum menak en gitem vor Qristos@ kam astvats yekeretsakannneri het gorts chuni yev chi el unetsel - qristosi yev te Astso achqin petq e or amen voq havasar linen - yev voch te yekeretsakan@ artonutyun verapahi ir parajayi yev dzerqi xachi mijotsov mardkants poxaren k@ron s@nutsy iyl d@ram korzzelov zbaghvi Pasadena ColoradoBlvd vra Surb Griqor Lusavorich nor Yekeretsy e Karutsvum yete Hoghi arjeq@ chhashvenq apa yekeretsin gone che 1Milyon + arjeqi shinararutyun e gnum - hetaqrqir e -iydqan dram dneluts heto iyd nor yekeretsum mer Hyei qristonya k@ron@ mez Usutsanelu en ? qani or inchvor imast uni iyd mets yekeretsin - shuqov karutsel@ Pasadenayi amenaTank Comertsyin Bulvardi vra - lseq mer dard & tsav@ verchatsav ? mer sovats & antun gaxtakanner@ verchatsav ??? hayreniq unenq ov ognutyan kariq uni hin Patmakan yekeretsiner unenq vor qanndvum en irarits - $$$$$ chka veranoroqelu kam gone pahpanelu - menq voghormutuun enq xndrum urish azgerits mer patmakan karuytsner@ pahpanelu hamar isk ahha Pasadean Hska mi yekeretsy - hiyasqanch mi shenq lseq chem haskanum voch vorpes Hye voch vorpes qristonya voch el vorpes anhat sranq xeqner@ kortsrel en te yes em kortsrel - che indz sa shat e xangarum yev uzzum em xosel sra masin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 No, I meant religion that only Armenians have. Like the Jews. Maybe go back to our pagan religion. style_images/master/snapback.png We already have Fadixianism. What more do we need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 when sasun and armen leave this forum, so will a good portion of common sense disappear. armena, it just doesn't make sense. style_images/master/snapback.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 lseq chem haskanum voch vorpes Hye voch vorpes qristonya voch el vorpes anhat sranq xeqner@ kortsrel en te yes em kortsrel - che indz sa shat e xangarum yev uzzum em xosel sra masin style_images/master/snapback.png Movses jan, this is what happens when church has power and money. They forget about their number one priority which is to serve God and humanity. Or maybe they never thought these are their priorities? One one hand you can't blame them because historically the Armenian church has played a major role as a government. On the other hand, why does the church need so much money? Why a humble church would not do, why should it be so expensive? Jesus Christ has never said church should be luxurious and powerful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 We already have Fadixianism. What more do we need? style_images/master/snapback.png Now how could I forget that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Why a humble church would not do, why should it be so expensive? Jesus Christ has never said church should be luxurious and powerful. style_images/master/snapback.png Isn't this constant proof that there is no God and people are being fooled just so that some higher authority live luxurious lives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Isn't this constant proof that there is no God and people are being fooled just so that some higher authority live luxurious lives? style_images/master/snapback.png Yes Anoushik, that is exactly a proof that God doesn't exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 no this is a proof that in any time there will be some SOB who will take advantage of people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Movses jan, this is what happens when church has power and money. They forget about their number one priority which is to serve God and humanity. Or maybe they never thought these are their priorities? One one hand you can't blame them because historically the Armenian church has played a major role as a government. On the other hand, why does the church need so much money? Why a humble church would not do, why should it be so expensive? Jesus Christ has never said church should be luxurious and powerful. style_images/master/snapback.png nat only as the government but also as Local Tax was paied to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armjan Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 (edited) Isn't this constant proof that there is no God and people are being fooled just so that some higher authority live luxurious lives? style_images/master/snapback.png no, that's exactly why ppl need to truely believe in something greater than themselves, so they realize to take care of each other and share for the miserable < 100 yrs of life u(in general) live in this cest pool of B.S. so other than that, how was u'r day Edited May 26, 2005 by armjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Armjan, people don't need to believe in something greater than themselves to take care of each other. Maybe believing in something greater eases - like you said - this miserable life that everyone more or less shares. But it has nothing to do with people helping each other. My day was fine. Thank you. How was yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yes Anoushik, that is exactly a proof that God doesn't exist style_images/master/snapback.png I guess I should have asked isn't it proof that God has nothing to do with our world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I guess I should have asked isn't it proof that God has nothing to do with our world? style_images/master/snapback.png Yep, that's it, God has nothing to do with this world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yep, that's it, God has nothing to do with this world style_images/master/snapback.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yep, that's it, God has nothing to do with this world style_images/master/snapback.png MAster Sasun du eli sksetsir qo Provokativ Gortsuneyutsyun@ Los Angelosi TerTerner@ miyanalu en mi or Manchoyin moet@T ugharken zgushatsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 MAster Sasun du eli sksetsir qo Provokativ Gortsuneyutsyun@ Los Angelosi TerTerner@ miyanalu en mi or Manchoyin moet@T ugharken zgushatsy style_images/master/snapback.png It's all Anoushiks fault She opened my eyes Besides, she lives right in Los Angeles, no need for Mancho to travel to New Jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 hima iydpes yeghav ??? Anushiki v@Ra es amen inch bardum ?? Haskanali e Anushik jan - es mer Sasunin inch aretsir ?? sk@zbits Xavar gnats heto sev - hima el Astso het problem uni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Anushik jan - es mer Sasunin inch aretsir ?? sk@zbits Xavar gnats heto sev - hima el Astso het problem uni style_images/master/snapback.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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