Iran

[Berj]

Well, whose business is it Tornado? Let the Iranian govt give to the local Armenians 200.000 USD equivalent sum for each child. Boost our population there. Change the demography in favour of Armenians. We're the smallest minority there.



These are my exact words, Tornado:

"We have displayed an amasing Armenian solidarity (some active, some passive) in our dealings with Iranyar lately. Now, shouldn't we show that we can handle 1 odar on the Forum, even if he is insulting some of us, even if his views on Armenian issues are unclear."

Tornado, you can check my words at: "Well people, if you may an Odar speak"./Other/ General.

Now shall I call this an attempt of slander, misinformation, an out of context "qoute" or what...



I will reply to you on this matter in the appropriate topic "Urartu or just Ararat" in History section.



Paradoxically some our former tribe-mates do not want to understand that the present world does not have a place for "Pan" ideologies, the last one of which was chrashed by collective efforts of the whole world in 1945 and any attempt to revive something similar (Pan-Turkism, Pan-Iranism, Pan-Arabism, Pan-Salvism, Pan-Islamism) will be rebuffed by any means, especially in oil rich regions. However, the present world does have a place for equal and mutually beneficial constructive dialogue. And I am an advocate of these realistic ways of peaceful coexistance (WOW, that sounded like a UN speach).

Thank you gentlemen...OK and ladies

[Guest]

You don't have to disagree with me, we pan-Aryanists know that it is Ararat and it was probably an Indo=European, Aryan land but those people who disagree with us, call it URartu

 

PS. Berj have you also read the posts of Raffiaharonian to Iranyar, which was all about blood relation?

 

another issue you mentioned: Pan-Iranism has never been that large scale, and is unthinkable whitout Panaryanism.

 

And as I know the Armenians are not smallest ethnic group in Iran

 

About the other issue I will forward this to Iranyar , for his answer, but it is difficult that I play the role of messanger. You have indeed violate his rights, to ban him here.

[Garo]

Tornado do you consider yourself pan-Aryanist just because your wife is Armenian?

[nairakev]

What does it mean pan-aryanist, Tornado?
What is the philosophy of pan-Aryanists?

[Harut]

hmmm.

as i recall, i naver expressed racist ideas in this forum.
even though, i tend to be racist, rather nationalist, sometimes.

[Guest]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Harut:


hmmm.

as i recall, i naver expressed racist ideas in this forum.
even though, i tend to be racist, rather nationalist, sometimes.

---

Armin Minassian has posted some of your posts about Cyberiran and Iranians in the Cyberiran

[Guest]

Read message of Hakob and think about these issue very well, this also justifies the Panaryanists views.

 

I am still waiting for Iranyar's reply.

 

CyberIran's Forum

 

Thank you all

 

Posted By: Hakob (ts12-46.dialup.bol.ucla.edu)

Date: Tuesday, 12 June 2001, at 9:35 p.m.

 

In Response To: Kala Mamuka (Hakob read please) (Iranyar)

 

Thanks to all! Mersi!

Iranyar, Armin, Iran-dost, free Iranian, etc.

 

I think Iran should be one of the world's biggest tourist destination just like Europe and China. It is one of the oldest civilizations as well as being the oldest in the Mid-East.

 

I only worry about the how and what kind of reception they give to people from U.S.A??? I will try to ask people in Yerevan how to get there and what to visit. Of course, I would love to find the old Ashkani sites because this is where many of our roots stem from.

 

It is fact that both Armenian and Georgian kings and aristocrats came from Parthians (Ashkanis). Whether the Arsacids, the Mamigonians, the Bagratunis, the Kamsarakans, the Artsrunis, the Siunis---they were Ashkanian (Iranian) derived no matter what their origins and how they later became Armenians/Georgians.

 

Armenians study the Genocide so much, that the older history is much forgotten or put aside. I want Hayastansis to know that only study of our most ancient past can tell others that we were in our historic homelands before anyone else came later. Our roots should not be forgotten.

 

Similarly, I think Iranians should have more opportunities and open-heartedness to research their pre-Islamic past and roots. It was a time of achievement and splendor.

message of hakob in www.cyberian.com[/url]

 

[ June 13, 2001: Message edited by: Tornado ]

[Guest]

I am not panAryanist because my wife in Armenian from Iran. I know their idea's. I have allways been intersted in this region of the world and it's great civilization, And I believe that the people of these region between Pamir and Anatolia, have every right to seek justice for the genocids and sufferings they were victims of in the past and present. And I believe these people should get together and worrk together for these problems , because then they are more strong. The lessons of their past and their roots they should not forget.

This what I know see positive in the PanAryanism.

[Guest]

more evidences of how the panaryanists think!!!!

 

CyberIran's Forum

 

turkish army killings Kurds: some photos!!! have a look!

 

Posted By: Serbilinda Kurdan <serbilind@yahoo.fr> (ALyon-201-2-1-199.abo.wanadoo.fr)

Date: Wednesday, 13 June 2001, at 5:35 a.m.

 

in the site there is turkish army's photos when they are killing Kurds!

Have a look!

http://xebatkar.cjb.net/

click on " TC Vahseti": on the link down.

 

CyberIran's Forum

 

Re: turkish army killings Kurds: some photos!!! have a look!

 

Posted By: Mumbai Parsi (citipopcache01.roltanet.com)

Date: Wednesday, 13 June 2001, at 1:09 p.m.

 

In Response To: turkish army killings Kurds: some photos!!! have a look! (Serbilinda Kurdan)

 

Dear Serbillinda,

 

It is very tragic. Is there any way, the Turkish Govt. and Kurds enter into an aggreement where the Kurds live as free, dignified and equal rights citizens of Turkey and the Kurds give up their seperation agenda? Fighting and seperation do not give positive results. A mutual agreement gives long lasting peace and a better life.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Mumbai Parsi.

 

CyberIran's Forum

 

Re: turkish army killings Kurds: some photos!!! have a look!

 

Posted By: Iranyar <iranyar@yahoo.com> (qn-213-73-176-153.quicknet.nl)

Date: Wednesday, 13 June 2001, at 3:21 p.m.

 

In Response To: Re: turkish army killings Kurds: some photos!!! have a look! (Mumbai Parsi)

 

Dear Mumbai Parsi, ofcourse in a democratic Anatolia all ethnic groups including the Kurds can live peacefully together. But this will be impossible as long as the government of Anatolia uses the name Turkiye, the very name Turkiye is very abusive and has no historical roots and is only meant to make the Anatolians, Kurds or Turkicspeaking, Georgians,Laz, Armenians, Greeks, muhacirs, Circassians, Assyrians and Arabs,etc... to believe they are Turks (which are not ofcourse

[Guest]

BTW Iranyar has sent a reply to me after hesitation I will post it in a new topic. May be we can make a new PanAryanist topic or not?

[Guest]

Something for you to think about better!

CyberIran's Forum

 

May God bless from Pamir up till Anatolia,

 

Posted By: Iranyar <iranyar@yahoo.com> (qn-213-73-176-153.quicknet.nl)

Date: Thursday, 14 June 2001, at 10:08 a.m.

 

CyberIran's Forum

 

Re: May God bless from Pamir up till Anatolia,

 

Posted By: Iranyar <iranyar@yahoo.com> (qn-213-73-176-153.quicknet.nl)

Date: Thursday, 14 June 2001, at 11:00 p.m.

 

In Response To: Re: May God bless from Pamir up till Anatolia, (IRAN NOVIN)

 

I know what you are talking about, Iran as one of the bigger states in Aryana, remains allways problematic if it can't be transformed into an attarctive free society. But still Khatami's rule is much better than the conservatives rule.

 

And Also I agree about the fact that there are some Iranians who like thirldworldness much more than glory. These are people with inferiority complexes, like those cäpi stupids publishing neo/post Communist magazines like Hambastegi, or or those oghdei feminists. But also Monafeghin who allways wish bad for the Iranians. This they want to can whine for ever and justify their stupid actions. In fact Molla's with their military and infrastructural industry are much more modern than those stupids mentioned above.

 

But believe me this Aryana federation is the only way to glory of all the nations and states involved.

 

May God bless from Pamir up till Anatolia, One day the aryan nations and lands will unite and Aryana will no more be a dream, but a nightmare of our enemy.

 

Aryana= Persia, Kurdistan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Trans-Caucasia,Khorezmia, tranoxiana and Sogdiana(Uzbekistan, Tajikistan)bigger Xorasan, XoTán and Yarkánd (Singkiang),Anatolia,Bactriana, Arakhosia, baluchistan, seistan, Mesopotamia, Scythia, Alania, Turan, Sarmathia

 

Long live the whole Aryana

[Guest]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Tornado:
BTW Iranyar has sent a reply to me after hesitation I will post it in a new topic. May be we can make a new PanAryanist topic or not?

---

I have posted the Iranyar's message here but it got deleted.

As Iranyar's email did not contain any provocating and insulting material, I see the deleting his message as a, hatefull bigoted and pathetic act.

[Guest]

http://www.cyberiran.com/forum/?read=8807

read here some of Iranyar's answers to similsr accuasations.

[Guest]

To: Iranyar@yahoo.com

 

 

 

 

Dorud Iranyar

 

I know that you don't want to be confronted again with

those people on the hye Forum. I found those people's

post we talked about, quite offensive and bigoted

towrads you, and still I have respect with you for the

manner you kept cool towrds these people.

 

If possible , give an answer to these questions of

Berj.

>>>>>>>Iranyar's reply after hesitation:

Fecha: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 00:49:23 -0700 (PDT)

De: Maurits van Oranje <iranyar@yahoo.com> | Bloquear dirección | Añadir a Contactos

Asunto: Re: some questions

Para: Tornado Tornandez <amigotornado@yahoo.es>

 

 

answer:

 

Dear Friend *******

 

I have talked to berj a lot and have emailed him also,

maybe he didn't read them, In fact I don't like it

that he is so suspicious about anything that he didn't

give me his email that he checkes every day. Berj is

not a Chauvenist at all, but he became strange after

he got along with MJ. Berj knows as everyone else that

I don't make any discrimination between Armenians and

either Georgians, or Median/Persian/Parthians or

Soghdians. All Aryans are equall member of our Aryan

braotherhood. And Berj knows that I have learned

Armenian, if in my opinion Armenian was an inferior

language I would never have learnt it.

 

I don't like to write more about this subject, because

as they have violated my right of selfdeffence and

free expression, I may not be able to condauct a

discussion as it should be via a third person. So ask

Berj if he send me an email at iranyar@yahoo.com or

gives me his main email, or he pleas for reactivation

of my account so I can talk to him in public. Abut the

alphabet he is right, Armenian alphabet is much better

than this alphabet now we use for Persuian, but he is

not right that this alphabet is the oldest one, there

has been Avestan, parthian and Pahlevi and dindabire

or dindapirik alphabet before PS. Dabir or Dapir is

related to the Armenian word of dprots for School. It

is good that the Armenian language centre has chosen

for an Aryan word for school , unlike the Turks who

allways immitate the Europeans, like they made Okul

from french ecole

 

I don't like to talk more than this, because I know

the intelligent ones know panaryanism is not bigotery

and that all Aryan nations are equal in my view. But

for the reason above I don't like to fall into the

detailles. I won't dicuss things with MJ and

raffiaharonian the Arab Armenian. The latter suffers

from inferiority complex and as he is raised in Arab

environment, he will remain biased against Aryans and

Iranians, so it's a pitty for the time.

 

If more questions I will answer them, but you know i

don't like to be confronted with those people unless

they rehabilitate my freedom of selfdeffence and

speech.

 

Ahura Mazda Yaret

--- Tornado Tornandez <amigotornado@yahoo.es> wrote:

> Dorud Iranyar

>

> I know that you don't want to be confronted again

> with

> those people on the hye Forum. I found those

> people's

> post we talked about, quite offensive and bigoted

> towrads you, and still I have respect with you for

> the

> manner you kept cool towrds these people.

>

> If possible , give an answer to these questions of

> Berj.

>

>

> Berj

> Member

> Member # 51

> posted June 11, 2001 02:53 AM

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Originally posted by Tornado:

>

> But the Iranians that I know don't care about the

> Iran

> that you people know, but about a big Aryan

> territory

> extending from Pamir till Anatolia, and they say no

> ethnios is superior to the others.

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Tornado,

>

> What do those Iranians say about the center of that

> big Aryan territory. Where is the capital of Aryans.

> What would be the official language of that

> territory

> if united. What script this "state" will use?

>

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> You mean first Indians then the Armenians made the

> first Indo-European state?

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> The Indians which established the first state on the

> territory of the present India at Mohejodaro were

> not

> Indo-Europeans but Dravidians (they now live in

> southern parts of India and in Sri Lanka). The first

> Aryan tribes arrived a lot later and settled on the

> territory of present Rajhastan, Punjab, Kashimir

> etc.

> They still live there now. And as you can see most

> Kashimirians are lighter than other Indians. As far

> as

> I can see, most of the desendants of Aryans adopted

> Vedism and Sikhism.

>

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> well it depends on your definition, the oldest

> Indo-Europen history if you read it in the Avesta

> doesn't distinguish between Armenians, or Medians

> and

> Persians, but calls all of them Aryan, and this is

> probably as old as 12000 years ago.

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Avesta is not a historical-chronological source. I

> also believe that once all these nations lived

> together. Not only the ones that you mentioned but

> the

> Germans, the Slavs, the Greeks, the Iberian tribes

> (celts, galls etc.) as well. I think the historical

> writings about the Aryans (and about a big number of

> other civilizations) were distroyed during the fire

> at

> Aleksandria's Pharos library, when the Romans

> conquered Egypt. In case of Urartu we have

> chronological sources of Assirians, Hitties, Dareh

> the

> 1st's Behistunian wall cariving, the cuniforms of

> Urartians and a lot more.

>

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> That alphabet you are talking about is from 5th

> century.

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> What's the difference Iran doesn't have an Iranian

> alphabet anyway. It uses Arabic letters.

>

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Mr. Berj you have a megalomanic and unrealistic view

> of the world.

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> I have megalomanic views???? OK, tell me what's

> realistic, the Aryan Empire?

>

> [ June 11, 2001: Message edited by: Berj ]

>

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Posts: 939 | From: Armenia | Registered: Jul 2000 |

>

> IP: Logged

>

> Berj

> Member

> Member # 51

> posted June 11, 2001 03:25 AM

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Originally posted by Tornado:

> I only went into the style of some people here,

> especially when Berj says, it is our business, and

> you

> are an outside,

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Well, whose business is it Tornado? Let the Iranian

> govt give to the local Armenians 200.000 USD

> equivalent sum for each child. Boost our population

> there. Change the demography in favour of Armenians.

> We're the smallest minority there.

>

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> When Berj congratuleted everyone because of Armenian

> unity against an odar (outsider) however that Odar

> was

> very close to Armenians.

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> These are my exact words, Tornado:

>

> "We have displayed an amasing Armenian solidarity

> (some active, some passive) in our dealings with

> Iranyar lately. Now, shouldn't we show that we can

> handle 1 odar on the Forum, even if he is insulting

> some of us, even if his views on Armenian issues are

> unclear."

>

> Tornado, you can check my words at: "Well people, if

> you may an Odar speak"./Other/ General.

>

> Now shall I call this an attempt of slander,

> misinformation, an out of context "qoute" or what...

>

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> PS. Honorable mr. Berj: generally the Ur-Artaians

> are

> known as NOT being Indo-Europeans.

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> I will reply to you on this matter in the

> appropriate

> topic "Urartu or just Ararat" in History section.

>

>

> quote:

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Paradoxiacally people who you disrespect, the

> panaryanists, are the only one who take account of

> possibility that the urartaians were

> Indo-europeans.who are researching whether they were

> or not,.

>

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Paradoxically some our former tribe-mates do not

> want

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

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[ June 15, 2001: Message edited by: Tornado ]

[Harut]

maybe, i said some "good" words, but i don't think i was racist.

[Guest]

no maybe not racist, but kind of rude.

Armin can be rude sometimes too. But we have asked him not to post here, in order to prevent long agues.

[Garo]

Tornado what is your account name in CyberIran's forum?

[Berj]

AZG Daily #113 - 06/20/2001 http://www.azg.am/index_en.shtml

 

Culture

 

WE LOVED IRAN

 

In Armenian club of Tehran Armenian ambassador to Iran Gegham Gharibjanian

told the Armenian painters who came from Yerevan and Gyumri that: "You

saw the diamond of East". On the way home I asked man of art Henrik

Igitian: "Did you find the diamond of East?". He answered: "We are

on the way of finding it, but it is hard to find. But we loved the

country and tried to get to know it".

 

I asked Gyumri resident Artush Mkrtchian to tell about Armenian painters'

exhibition opened in Tehran and about his impressions in general: "It

is a fantastic country, wonderful environment, wonderful people, and

we are leaving with shocking impressions. The week passed like a second.

Tehran's modern art museum fully matches European or American standards.

Concerning Iranians I can say that such hospitality is hard to find

anywhere. It is really hard to find such nice people in the world".

 

Artush Mkrtchian is the director of Gyumri's "Style" fine arts museum:

"We have a very big collection, a little part of which- about 30 works,

we presented to Iranians". The modern fine arts works' exhibition opened

in Tehran in June 11 and will last till July 6. "The exhibition passed

very well. There are two reasons for that: first, it was organized

in a very interesting, high level museum, and second- a very interesting

collection of works was presented by Armenia – the modern Armenian

painting. Iranian men of art accepted the Armenian art, and the response

was the following- they couldn't imagine such a wonderful exhibition.

This was a surprise both for us, and for Iranians", - said Artush Mkrtchian.

 

Other Armenian painters that were present at the exhibition- Teny Vardanian,

Heriknaz Galstian, Ararat and Artush Sargissians assured that the exhibition

was a success also because Armenian art is a novelty for Iranians.

This exhibition opened eyes of many, and showed what a wide range of

art Armenia's new generation has. "This was an art investigation- to

see how Armenian art will be accepted and loved. When I showed the

collective album of our classics, the director of the museum was much

delighted and said that he would want very much to exhibit them as

well. It is necessary to exhibit works of Sarian, Kojoyan, that are

connected with Iran, as well as our other famous painters. Europe became

a criteria for us, but works of East are much human, closer to God",-

said Mr. Igitian.

 

A big international exhibition is going to open in Tehran in September,

and Armenia also received an invitation to participate in it. Mr. Igitian

said that they are going to certainly participate and are already ready.

Henrik Igitian also made an interesting suggestion- to open exhibitions

of Armenian and Iranian children in Tehran, Yerevan and Moscow, and

invite "the whole world.

 

Henrik Igitian thinks and is sure that modern Armenian art is powerful.

It is powerful even if we compare it with arts of modern Italy and

France. Those men of art who say that Armenian culture is "dying",

according to Igitian, simply have exhausted themselves and don't have

anything else to do but labeling others: "Nothing "dies"- simply mentality

changes". Yes, we don't have Papazian today, but nowadays we couldn't

have Papazians, nor Rembrandts, because times demand other names now.

Today we need Minas, Vruyr, for the time dictates so. Criteria change

in all countries, but the main thing is not to lose the quality". To

my question whether he can numerate 5-6 Armenian painters who can introduce

themselves and present Armenians to the world, Mr. Igitian said confidently:

"I can numerate more!- Sargis Amalbashian, Ararat Sargissian, Gabriel

Manukian, Teny Vardanian, Marina Dilanian, Albert Hagopian, Kamo Nigarian,

Ruben Grigorian…"

 

By Tatoul Hagopian

 

 

Neighbors

 

HYDROPOWER PLANT ON ARAX RIVER TO BE BUILT BY IRAN, ARMENIA

 

 

A hydropower plant to be built on the Arax River on the Armenian-Iranian

border will cost from 60 to 80 million dollars, the Russian news agency,

ITAR-TASS, quoted Armenian Energy Minister Karen Galustian as saying

on Sunday.

 

The project, presented at the recent business forum in New York City

on investments in the Armenian economy, caused interest of several

foreign companies, the minister said. The power plant will have a capacity

of about 78.9-megawatt and generate 469 million kilowatt/hours of

electricity

a year. It is planned to do the construction within five and a half

years. A joint venture between Armenia and Iran has been set up to

design the power plant, Director of the Armgidroenergoproyekt Institute

Armen Gregorian said.

 

The two countries will decide whether the power plant will have Armenian

and Iranian sectors or be a joint facility, he noted.

[Guest]

Garo I don't post anymore at Cyberiran,after having fought with some PanTurkists PanIslamists, but I have an account there so no one will impersonate me.

 

Berj thank you for the news, but I appreciate if you had reacted to the language issue. It says something that You accuses Iranyar of everything, but in fact he agreed with your points. As I know he is not different than the other ppanAryanists, so I still can't understand your animosity against him and his group.

[Berj]

Tornado, I don't want to start all this again. Just be pan-nothing (you and Iranyar) and everything will be fine. OK?

[Guest]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Berj:


Tornado, I don't want to start all this again. Just be pan-nothing (you and Iranyar) and everything will be fine. OK?

---

Are you sure? How can we not be Odar? PS. Have you made alpahbet for the Persians? I guess Iranyar supported that

But Berj I know you are in heart a good guy. You know a lot about history, but the problem is that you allways want to chose the side of the majorities idea. But the majority has not necessarily the right view.

[Berj]

Tornado,
How can you be not odar? Let me think. When someone asks you "Where are you from", answer "I'm Armenian". Is it OK with you? The alphabet is there and it suits Iranian language perfectly. It has all the sound of Iranian language and even more than needed. Ask your govt. to change the alphabet

You're wrong about the "majority" thing. I'm just against ANY "integration" ideas, one of which you support. Would you like to "integrate" with Armenia if our population was 1 billion for example?

[Guest]

quote:

---

Originally posted by Berj:


Tornado,
How can you be not odar? Let me think. When someone asks you "Where are you from", answer "I'm Armenian". Is it OK with you? The alphabet is there and it suits Iranian language perfectly. It has all the sound of Iranian language and even more than needed. Ask your govt. to change the alphabet

You're wrong about the "majority" thing. I'm just against ANY "integration" ideas, one of which you support. Would you like to "integrate" with Armenia if our population was 1 billion for example?

---

How you mean your government, I became Iranian last year. But even those who have allways been Iranian may not ask anything from the Government.

BTW. What you mean by the Iranian language? there is no such a language, there is Iranian subgroup of languages, which belongs to Indo-European languages. But there is not a single language which is called Iranian.

About integration , if Armenia's population was over one billion? I and the panAryanists have no problem with that

[raffiaharonian]

Dear Tornado,

 

Do you know me? Do I know you?

How can you insinuate things about somebody you don't have the pleasure of knowing.

I have never corresponded with you in the past, nor did I ever comment on your topics.

 

As you can see I post in my full name/surname from Greece and believe me there is no one else with the same name in Greece (I suppose). I am not hiding behind a pseudo name or nickname. I have no reason to be hiding anything regarding my identity, unlike many others!

I am an exemplary citizen, working hard, paying my taxes, my social dues, my social insurance and with a blank penal record. I have not burdened anybody, any state or any authority with my existence, nor have I claimed any social benefits and privileges from anywhere just because I claimed to be a refugee or an outcast. (this last paragraph is not addressed to you, but to …….. he knows ! ). So basically, I have never been a PEST in my life, unlike many others.

 

Just to put things in perspective, I am who I am and no Armenian, Iranian, Georgian, Yezidi or Pakistani can change that.

Do you think I care if Iranyar is trying to insult me by calling me an Arab? If he thinks so, let it be, do you think I give a cent (to say the least) about his ‘names’ towards me?

 

Do you or him think that I am an inferior being? Let it be so, I do not care about anybody's unsubstantiated opinion about me. If anybody thinks likewise, all he/she has to do is either prove it or just continue ‘gassing’ (sorry for the smell…….)

Do you think that being a Jew, a Korean, an Arab, a black person or any other combination you choose, would make me an inferior being?

Inferior is the person who things that he is a superior person just because he/she belongs into a 'special' group of people.

One’s superiority is in his/her ability to be of service to his social surrounding and to his community. In his/her effort to try creating a better world for him and for the future generations. In his/her effort to be a ‘something’ and not a manure producing machine.

 

Being an Armenian fills me with pride and duty, but in no way I can claim that being an Armenian makes me any better person or a superior being. I will give my personal battles for the preservation of our national and cultural identity, but I will try not to harm anybody in the course.

I am what I am, I am proud of it and I let others be proud of themselves (if they can substantiate their beliefs and their existence).

 

People make mistakes. To err is only human, but one has to have the courage and the honesty to apologize and correct their mistakes. Insisting on the correctness of their error does not correct them, it makes them even worse. An honest apology would sometimes suffice.

 

Please extend my warmest wishes for well being and prosperity to Iranyar. May God be with him and guide him in the right paths of life.

[raffiaharonian]

Sireli Berj,

 

I had a vision! We can create the idea of

Pan-Armenianism.

What about that? Let us discuss in private to find 'methods' and 'proofs' of our superiority and the creation of the noble cause.

 

What about that? Why join other Pan-Xs , when we can have our own Pan....?

 

I'll sleep over it tonight and wait for the Divine message of the new and pure IDEA.

 

I am very content with myself, I finally found the reason of my existence!