raffiaharonian

Thank you Martin. I think that the prayer of "Aravod Louso" was written by him! Aravod Louso,Arekagn Artar, Ar i louys tzakia Phoum@n i hore phial..............

Spiritual prayer that soothes the 'storms' in our hearts. Martin jan, is there a way we can find the full biography of Nerses Sh. ?

Although i hate to do that (he he he), I agree with many of Ali's postings. Not that much with the historical presentations , as much as with his line of thought about the infuence of religions on us. I think that Azad's poting has the following gap: The islam was 'created' in about 640 A.D. and at that time there was no Catholic Church as such. There was the Church of Rome, but not in the consept that we know it now. The formation of the Catholic Church can be attributed mainly to the 'SKHISM'=split of the Christian Church in 1045A.D. The split was between the Eastern and the Western Church. So basically the story or version of Azad is totally out of touch with reality of those times. Besides that if I am not mistakes at that time (around 600AD) the Italian peninsula was under heavy attack by the Goths.(ostrogoths or visigoths...) and the vandals. hence the Roman church was basically trying to survive the attacks and was begging for the help of its Eastern brothers , which never came. As to the consept of Dante, i have the notion that he claimed that good Christians will go to Heaven, while Jews and Moslems, nomatter how good or bad they are, they will stay in a limbo stage. They will never enter Paradise because they never accepted the truth of Jesus. I think it is called the 'purgatory'... I think somehow we deviated from the original subject , but i guess it was worth it, i enjoyed all of it , including the love romance between Martin and Khodja! ( I have a strong belief that those 2 would make great friends if were to meet in real...)

Khakhounch = snail

I am interested to know the basic principles that deferentiate the GOD of each relegious group. Is the God of Christians the same God as the one of the Muslims and the JEws? Can we accept the notion that He is the same and unique devinity? If so, what are the implications of this belief? Dante has his own opinion on the matter, but what is your belief on the subject? Is anybody knowledgable enough to summarise the ideas of Dante on this subject? (my knowledge is limited and maybe inadequate.)

There are places and then there are other places! Most of the people in here are busy, knowledge thirsty individuals. So , how can we spare them the BS and keep them visiting the Forum? Common sense and courtesy, wishes us to stay within the proper framework of interaction, otherwise this wouldn't have been a Forum but a brothel! We do not know each other, so how can we be so cruel and impolite to each other? Thinking before uttering a word would be more than adequate to sustain our justifiable or unjustifiable anger! After all there are other people involved , who do not have the luxury or wish to join the 'deviation'. Take care and if you disagree with me, please sent me a private note. (lets spare the other readers!) Love you all, once more!

Ara you're adorable, even though a pain in the ass most of the times! I guess that all you're doing is shouting louder the forum signature of Movses " Zartnir Lao, mernim kezi"........ Once and again you were asked to provide solutions, however you decline that under the valid conclusion that you are here to ring the bell! Well isn't it high time to assume a differnet role in our tribal society? since noone seems to be interested to place his genuine efforts. I even guess your reply : "....as if I care about your opinion....... charlatan and XXX... " Well, life sucks so do people sometimes.!

After the request of a respectable forum member, this thread is re-opened! I've deleted the last 2 posts, and I herewith request all of you to respect the precious time of the remaining members and be relevant to the topic. Please don't tempt me to close this important topic once more. God bless you all and give you guidance!!!

Islamic lands of Syria, Iraq and Anatolia??? lol and once more lol........ "No comments" is the only phrase I can think of..........

It was my first visit after many months at the site, and I wished to read the topic on Basic Islam. What did I find , pure stupidity and imense diversion from the original topic. Because I believe that this will not end here, I am closing this topic and each one of you can post their 'philosphies' under the right topics and threads. Good Luck to all of you and please stay out of trouble! By the way, I love you all!

I am Armenian, no I am a Chinese, no I am American/indian /Pakistani etc. etc. etc. I love my parents, my brothers, my cousin, my neighbour. I love my girlfriend, wife etc.etc. etc. I feel good when I do good deeds/ bad deeds, I feel good when I hear good news etc.etc. etc. Do I need to touch anything of those? Does my brain cells need to function in such a way so as to conceive these IDEAS or FEELINGS? Maybe there are some hormone secretions, some nerves functioning, but are we in control of those functions. I love God, I love Jesus , I think about doing good to others. I feel something about all these. Are everything crap, as our friend Vahan is putting it? Well, if yes, then maybe we are a big crap ourselves! or 'manure producing machines'. I cannot concieve the adoption of an idea or a relegious belief, that has not come from the rejection of a former idea or belief , after having deeply studied it. It is not fair for the new one too. Just because we don't like the 'picture' of the old nannies or the people who go to the 'traditional' churches, doesn't constitute a valid reason to reject the idea or the essence beyond the "Building and the theatre-like ritual", of the traditional relegions. Suddenly the world is discovering Thibet, Zen, Hinduism, Confucious etc etc etc. It's new , its good , it looks different, maybe its more "IN" to be that. After all look at Richard Geer, Brad, ......... Well then this is not belief , this is not relegion, it is a Fashion Show. If Zen is filling your life with positive energy and feelings, then it is good, but how dare you insult the remaining of us , who stupid enough, have chosen to follow the traditional relegions. You cannot be even a true Zen believer , because a rejection or insult of the different, cannot depict the inner spirit of any belief. Ask your relegion's guide (priest) and come share it with us. It is fun sharing your newly acquired ideas around a coffee table , with some uninterested bimbos, but when you are sharing them with us, please be dissent enough to support your views, with proper respect to the rest of us ( the stupid ones...).

It is not very clear, since parts are missing, but i managed the following: "Servant of God, monk Peter (Petros)...something.... Papadopoulos ( I suppose), 20 Oct, 1915. " I think it is from his tomb stone, with his personal details. He must have been a monk. Usually the monks/clerics , change their first name, but keep their family ones. Maybe the village was a mixed village of Greeks and Armenians, who shared their burial place or even the Church (?) . As for sourp Nigoghayios, I am sorry to say that I don't know anything, but I'll try to locate some info , if I can. We have very limited access to regular and general Armenian sources in Greece!

Saint Nicholas, or Agios Nikolaos, is the patron saint of the seamen and the navy. On the 6th of December the Greek church celebrates his name day and it is a very important day for the Greeks. (sort of national day). I suppose that Saint Nicholas is the same saint as 'sourp Nigoghayios' of the Armenian church.

This is a world record! I posted my last reply at 6:00 am (USA time), I was checking the "who is online" when, Mr Tornado was reading my post at 6:18 am. Then guess what? At 6:24 Mr Iranyar was posting his curses and vomen at Cyberiran Forum, regarding my last post. What is your verdict people? Who is Who ? He is claiming that me, MJ and Garo are anti-Iranians. Well I dare him to show us not just a single word but even a half-word justifying this claim. It seems he got tired of the continuous monologue he was engaged ( with different usernames ofcourse) and he thinks he can irritate us. Well just for your info. The weather in Athens is great. Sunny and warm. I am planning to go to the beach and enjoy the sea and the drink with some nice kalamaria. I will have a nice greek salad too with some nice french fries. I'll drink also for your health too. I need some real sun tan , because someone else is getting really red with anger and hate. "Yia sou moro mou" - Hi baby - Asta la vista... Oops , the ouzo is too stong for me. Yia habibi , yaleleli..... tra la la , tra la la....... [ June 22, 2001: Message edited by: raffiaharonian ]

Since Iranyar has hired a lawyer to futher his positions and slander, I think I should consider hiring a lawyer too. Mr. Lawyer Tornado (or Trojan Horse), I would like to ask you to go over the postings in page 3 of the "others" in the "general" category and click on "Well people, if you may an Odar Speak". Go through the whole discussion and then pass on your professional judgement! I suggest you also visit the Cyberiran Forum and check the IPs of several people , who alas, have exactly the same IP number but different usernames. One of them being "the judge". Although I know in advance that this new feud leads to nowhere, I feel I have to reply and spare the other members from the slander and garbage talks. Once again give my greeting to your client ,oops sorry, your friend and tell him that I'll keep the coffee warm. Chao bello, Raffi