Iran

[Berj]

Tornado,

 

How many times we have to post that an issue of member banning is discussed by all the moderators.

[MosJan]

MJJAn Tsavt tanem , inch el haves unes et txmari vra nerver es qayqayum , barekam xnayir qez Hye Azg@ qo karikq@ uni ...

 

Movses

[Guest]

quote:

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Originally posted by MJ:



What a pathetic personality. God help you, young man, because no one else can.

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Lol and you were the man talking to naira about having some fun?
I still wonder why you didn't give those people warning, if you are not biased? And another questuion is that you didn't ban those who insulted those persons, but if you are an honest and fair person, I ask you whether you may allow again those persons who left came back in the forum? I mean Iranyar, Halfbreed and Hakob and Garen mamigonian?

[Berj]

Tornado,

You're so misinformed. Were are the anti-Iranian feelings here. Do you want to start a topic "who likes Iran and who does not" and see what will be the answers?

Armenian and Iranian languages are branches of Indo-European group of languages. What else?

[MJ]

MR MJ I take responsibility for the things I say, but I'have never seen that I made any allegations or accusations to someone, but you have insulted me several times, without reasons, so I think it is you who should take the responsibility.

Here is a partial list:

1. You have refused to take responsibility for your allegations on the persecution of Yezidi in Armenia, you have presented an unsigned document, and later on you have claimed that it is not your opinion, but you are just presenting this material. However, before even presenting that bogus material, you already had made charges;

2. You refused to provide supportive materials from the American Military Archives;

3. You have insinuated anti-Iranian sentiment from my side, however have so far failed to present one evidence per my request;

4. You have claimed that some people have been unfairly banned – the only people that have been banned in this forum, who have not been able to restrain their skin-head and racist rhetoric or have constantly created tension in the forum;

5. You are making another unsubstantiated allegation here that anti-Iranian feelings (which are absent in this forum) are resulted from linguistic arguments. One thing that I have requested on this subject is to bring scientific evidence, in which case, I personally am ready to concede. This all about it;

6. You have alleged anti-Islamic allegations from Armenians in this forum. It is true that there have been some. But they have been rebuffed, and the insinuations of such insults have been warned. Additionally, we have opened a thread on Islam in our forum with the purpose of educating our people in the positive aspects of Islam. Additionally, we are well aware that Armenians coexisting peacefully with Muslim Arabs and Iranians for prolonged periods of times, and we have promoted in this forum an understanding that Armenia’s historic troubles have not been due to religious considerations.

7. Personally, I have zero interest in the linguistic studies related to the Caucasian and other languages. You can have those discussions with whomever is interested in it;

8. You have lied that people have been banned in this forum for cursing Karabekir or Shimon Peres, though I think that cursing is not proper for this forum. We can criticize whomever we want, as long as we bring valid arguments;

9. Yes I have insulted you – for a reason. I have informed you what I would do, when you satisfy my request;

10. Raffiaharonian, Surorus, Berj, and Garo are some of the most honorable and exemplary members of this forum. But they have zero tolerance for skin-heads and people lacking elementary integrity.

 

I can continue, but I have to admit that I don’t enjoy communicating with you.

[Guest]

quote:

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Originally posted by Berj:


Tornado,

You're so misinformed. Were are the anti-Iranian feelings here. Do you want to start a topic "who likes Iran and who does not" and see what will be the answers?

Armenian and Iranian languages are branches of Indo-European group of languages. What else?

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It is a good idea. As I'm informed last times many people didn't feel good to hear about the connections between the Iranian branch of the Indo-European languages and the Armenian language. There are some studies and still many studies is going on ion the nature of this relationship. But some bigots had said that Armenian is more connected to Christian languages well a language has no religion, this is the most stupid thing a linguist can hear about/
But a question, what would be your reaction, if tomarrow all linguists agree that the Armenian languages should be cathegorized in the Iranian subgroup of the Indo-European languages, and no more as an isolated non related language? Plaese tell frankly your reaction!

I am now going to eat something

[MJ]

Here is another lie of your to be exposed.

 

Hakob and Garen Mamigonian have never been banned from this forum. Their membership is active. They have neither been Warned or confronted here in any serious way.

As to Iranyar and FarsiSteve, they may apply for membership, and the Administrator will make his determinations.

If you are interested in my personal opinion, however, this forum is for mainstream human beings only.

Additionally, the explosive behavior of some of the people you try to defend is what has forced us to bring a Code of Conduct together, and exercise the mechanism of Warnings. We have not had that mechanism in the past.

 

Now, until you satisfy my prior requests, let’s stop this polemic.

[MosJan]

MJ is anti-Iranian ??? no way kid, get a life ...

 

 

"I still wonder why you didn't give those people warning"

warning - ) 2 or 3 warning is not enugh ?

 

 

"I ask you whether you may allow again those persons who left came back in the forum? "

sorry not in this forum and not in this life time...

 

and it will be smart of you , if you get going ....

We have no need for a provocateur in this forum .

 

Movses

[Berj]

What will be your recation if linguists find that Farsi is a sub-group of Armenian?

[Guest]

quote:

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Originally posted by MJ:
Here is another lie of your to be exposed.

Hakob and Garen Mamigonian have never been banned from this forum. Their membership is active. They have neither been Warned or confronted here in any serious way.
As to Iranyar and FarsiSteve, they may apply for membership, and the Administrator will make his determinations.
If you are interested in my personal opinion, however, this forum is for mainstream human beings only.
Additionally, the explosive behavior of some of the people you try to defend is what has forced us to bring a Code of Conduct together, and exercise the mechanism of Warnings. We have not had that mechanism in the past.

Now, until you satisfy my prior requests, let’s stop this polemic.

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MR MJ I said I only have heared from them, I can't check whether their account is active or not. But regarding Iranyar and Steve, I don't approve your tone towrds them, I personally know them and they are quite nice people, but the thing is when someone attacks them they most naturally defend and attack back.

I propose to solve this issue before it get out of hand, because I see that the animosity between Hye forum active members and the Iranan (Armenian) ex-members of here and CyberIran does morew harm than it is good for the Iranian(Armenian or otherwise) - Armenian relationship. And believe me the sentiments are getting worse in the environment I am in contact with, this may easily spread in the broader segments of these communities, afterall don't you think that the Armenian vs. repbulic of Azerbajani's sentiments may have arose precisely in the same way???

with your permission, i want to go eat something.

[MJ]

I have already told you enough.

 

You will not get any further replies from me until you satisfy my requests.

[Berj]

Tornado,

 

All your questions are adressed to one issue and could be zipped in one single question of yours if you were strait. And that is:

 

"Why Armenians chose to be independent if they they are so close to Persians"

 

Let me give you the answer:

 

"When the first Persian state came to historic arena, Armenians already had a long history of statehood. We have been the second Indo-European ethnos to establish a state (after the Hitties). We have a distinct culture, distinct from the Iranian as well. We have our ALPHABET, and Iran doesn't (care for accepting our's actually?) so on, so on..."

[nairakev]

What does this supposed to mean. Is this an insult or a compliment.
Tornado,
Don't you think that you are exageratting a bit. Look I don't care if MJ is jewish or korean. All my opinion is based on what he publishes and says here in this forum.
Till now I've never seen him saying something wrong on someone's origins and religious convictions.

What I see here with your statement is that you are working hard to provoke him and present yourself as a victim of conspiration.

You can't fool, baby!
We can read and we can make our opinion without anyone's help!
Your concept of world stands right in Teheran. What I see here is a huge "ego-centric" pride for being an iranian. Noone really blames you to be proud of your origins but when it comes to political, religious, cultural, ethnical discussions you better argument, instead of pushing on your "rediculously" presented pride.
I've got lots of iranian friends here in Paris. Many of them are gays. Their concept and vision of Iran is very very different from yours. And they are proude of being iranians as well. And I like them very much!

[Berj]

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[Guest]

quote:

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Originally posted by Berj:
Tornado,

All your questions are adressed to one issue and could be zipped in one single question of yours if you were strait. And that is:

"Why Armenians chose to be independent if they they are so close to Persians"

Let me give you the answer:

"When the first Persian state came to historic arena, Armenians already had a long history of statehood. We have been the second Indo-European ethnos to establish a state (after the Hitties). We have a distinct culture, distinct from the Iranian as well. We have our ALPHABET, and Iran doesn't (care for accepting our's actually?) so on, so on..."

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This was not the question mr Berj. But the Iranians that I know don't care about the Iran that you people know, but about a big Aryan territory extending from Pamir till Anatolia, and they say no ethnios is superior to the others.
As for your historical fantasies, nope: You mean first Indians then the Armenians made the first Indo-European state? well it depends on your definition, the oldest Indo-Europen history if you read it in the Avesta doesn't distinguish between Armenians, or Medians and Persians, but calls all of them Aryan, and this is probably as old as 12000 years ago. That alphabet you are talking about is from 5th century.

Naira

I am not Iranian originally but due to marriage to my wife who is Armenian of Iran, I got Iranian nationality too, and yes I'm proud of it to be part of this Aryan,civilized nation of the world. And I mean it . Tell your gay friends stay in Paris.

Mr. Berj you have a megalomanic and unrealistic view of the world.

Mr MJ I think this way we have found a modus vivendi, as you don't answer me , but also don't insult me again

[Guest]

PS. Naira

 

 

I don't give a damn whether MJ is Jewish or Korean either. But according to the racist discourse of some people here, I think that 1-Steve, half Iranian Armenian, half American and Iranyar Iranian Georgian, 2-myself being indo-european but of another branch. Have more right than a Jewish or Korean operson to discuss , because we are ethnically closer to the armenians, than an Altaic or semitic person Just to see how wired these racist discourse of mr. Raffiaharonian, Berj and surorus and harut have been.

[THOTH]

Tornado -

 

You are showing yourself to be the one most making racist stereotypes here. I am also wondering why you are such a homophobe? My experience is that when someone shows that they are predjudiced and judgemental about one group - they often are about others as well.

 

And who is to say that a Jew or a Korean may not have valid interest (or knowledge) in these issues (whatever they are...I've read through all of the messages in this thread and to be honest - outside of some personl attacks and unproven insinuations - I don't see anything really of substance being discussed here).

 

I still support the right of you to make posts and express your opinions. (and I think that MJ was and is being perhaps a bit too confrontational and personal [as well] - IMO - though perhaps also I now have more of an inkling as to why) I am just not sure - out side of personal (and perhaps national/ethnic) defamation - what your purpose in making these various posts is here...

 

And I always caution against generalization and acusation without proof or fact...

[ThornyRose]

There is no proof or fact needed for generalizations; they are not to be. (Though I think you probably meant, "accusations [without proof or fact] and generalizations"... 'Tis early morning for me...)

[Harut]

OK. the refferie has come!!!!!!

 

<<<<< BREAK >>>>>>>

 

time out!!!

[MJ]

Or should we call you Gilligan?

[Harut]

who is Gilligan?
i hope he's not the guy from that ancient tv show that they still show.

[MJ]

He is.

[nairakev]

I don't give a damn whether MJ is Jewish or Korean either.

Hm, if you say so...

In that case, probably, try to avoid "racist" citations made by others. It will show that you don't give a damn...What do you think?

 

But according to the racist discourse of some people here, I think that 1-Steve, half Iranian Armenian, half American and Iranyar Iranian Georgian, 2-myself being indo-european but of another branch. Have more right than a Jewish or Korean operson to discuss , because we are ethnically closer to the armenians, than an Altaic or semitic person

Yourself being indo-european? It's so large and unclear? What the hell does mean being indo-european? Does that mean, that by presenting yourself indo-european you can allow yourself to talk on all indo-european issues? (LOL...)

 

May be you could say that you are a "world" citizen...It could be more clear as a position. In that case you could touch any subject.

 

but talking about origins...Hm, indo-european? Means nothing and evrything at the same time...

Altaic, semitic... Does your vision on world's demography lay on "language" tree schema?

And finally, you think weirdly, if you say that as indo-european you have more rights to discuss on Armenian issues than any altaic and semitic person.

LOL...

Altaic and semitic person? Is it how you name now a turk and a jew?

Hey, you juts go ahead man! You rock! What else you are going to say. Let's have some fun ...

[Guest]

People I'm neither racist nor I generalize. I only went into the style of some people here, especially when Berj says, it is our business, and you are an outside, or when Raffiaharonian, said before Iranyar has not a right of discussion, becuse he is outsider and not Armenian, when Surorus called him an odar and is good that he leaved the forum. When Berj congratuleted everyone because of Armenian unity against an odar (outsider) however that Odar was very close to Armenians. When Steve getting continous assault because he is half Iranian Armenian and half American. I wonder at that time where were theese moralists?

But I only wanted to show you that according to this weired racist discours of some respected members here, then if so people like iranyar, steve and even me have more right of discussion, than a semitic guy, if MJ is one (I don't care).

This is not my style, but I wanted let you know how hypocritic those racits here are.

 

PS. Honorable mr. Berj: generally the Ur-Artaians are known as NOT being Indo-Europeans. Paradoxiacally people who you disrespect, the panaryanists, are the only one who take account of possibility that the urartaians were Indo-europeans.who are researching whether they were or not,.

[Berj]

Tornado,

What do those Iranians say about the center of that big Aryan territory. Where is the capital of Aryans. What would be the official language of that territory if united. What script this "state" will use?



The Indians which established the first state on the territory of the present India at Mohejodaro were not Indo-Europeans but Dravidians (they now live in southern parts of India and in Sri Lanka). The first Aryan tribes arrived a lot later and settled on the territory of present Rajhastan, Punjab, Kashimir etc. They still live there now. And as you can see most Kashimirians are lighter than other Indians. As far as I can see, most of the desendants of Aryans adopted Vedism and Sikhism.



Avesta is not a historical-chronological source. I also believe that once all these nations lived together. Not only the ones that you mentioned but the Germans, the Slavs, the Greeks, the Iberian tribes (celts, galls etc.) as well. I think the historical writings about the Aryans (and about a big number of other civilizations) were distroyed during the fire at Aleksandria's Pharos library, when the Romans conquered Egypt. In case of Urartu we have chronological sources of Assirians, Hitties, Dareh the 1st's Behistunian wall cariving, the cuniforms of Urartians and a lot more.



What's the difference Iran doesn't have an Iranian alphabet anyway. It uses Arabic letters.



I have megalomanic views???? OK, tell me what's realistic, the Aryan Empire?

[ June 11, 2001: Message edited by: Berj ]