ThornyRose

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: You probably don't know this, but I guess it can't hurt to ask... do you know how easy or difficult it is to obtain Egoyan films where you live? Has it become more difficult after ARARAT emerged? Has there been any boycott (state-sponsored or otherwise) of his films? Just wondering. I was reading an Azeri news report that Cher (Armenian, as you likely know) was banned in Azerbaijan. Then another report came in that said not only was she not banned, but her material was constantly being played on the radiowaves. No, I don't know at all...

Probably, as are Turkish families (not the case with me, however)...

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: By the way, how do you intend to see Ararat? There's no way it will show on Turkish movie screens, at least not for a long while. Ah, you never know... (Neither do I.) However, I got to watch Yol a lot sooner than most Turks did - because I was abroad at the time and my parents were curious. (Unfortunately, I was perhaps a bit too young to appreciate it - for whatever reason.) So, who knows... Then again, I know people abroad - I could have it mailed to me. Actually, I'm not worrying too much about Ararat right now... It is Karakoyunlu and Co. that are having folks breathe down on their necks... But then, this much publicity will probably protect them... Who knows. And what luck that they have people from the highest echelons behind them - Karakoyunlu himself! Wheeeeeeew! quote:Originally posted by wh00t: I guess it depends on interpretation. My grandfather told me that "they say" it's about Armenians, but who knows... I suppose... With the reference to soldiers away from their families and all, it is most likely least about interpretation and has more to do with adaption...

Except for the skirt, very few of those items are enforced - and not even that in some [very few] offices. De facto everything, as usual - neither one nor the other. It also depends on your boss. If he/she is MHP, you better put on the skirt. If other, well, you might be lucky. Not so with my elder cousin's office... Skirts? Pah... I haven't worn one since I threw out my high school uniform... Uniforms are dumb, too, if you ask me, especially in a private school, where you do not have the "dignity of the low-income" to watch out for... Rules - rules above all else! Skirts are more "enticing" - that's what they want.

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: So the song is referring to fallen Turks and not Armenians? As far as I know, yes, but a lot of these are adaptations, both ways, from neighboring versions and all... For example, "Sarı Gelin" is one which is shared by both Turks and Armenians (don't know what you call it - and I don't have a working sound card to go out and [have a worthy] inspect[ion]), but they tell about two different stories... Or so I've heard.

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: Oh and by the way my grandparents here went out and rented "Salkim Hanimin Taneleri" after reading about it in Hurriyet.. they didn't like it, "too dirty". The rape scene? I'll agree... I didn't LIKE it per se, myself, but this film is a breakthrough for us... I don't even know if I am going to appreciate the movie ARARAT, but take a look at what I've done here: http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/170347 I suspect it is going to be hot in the upcoming months...

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: Thank you for taking the time to write all this. Lots of interesting information on a (needlessly complicated??) educational system. What did your cousin do after the third test? I assume he rejected electrical engineering and theology both times, right? Also, my dad says in his time he did indeed take a "general test", however he had gone to a "technical high school" and therefore a "technical" field was chosen for him. I'm afraid I don't have any more specific details, unless I asked him again.. if you had any questions I'll be happy to send an inquiry. My cousin finished electrical (and electronical) engineering, became an assistant, then left academia because he had a project in his mind and was afraid of "losing" it to his supervisors (it was the subject of his thesis, but, because he didn't want them to steal his ideas, he was hazy in what he info he provided)... He now owns a business with his buddy and makes good money... quote:Originally posted by wh00t: Thorny, Havada bulut yok bu ne dumandir Mahlede ölen yok bu ne figandir Su yemen elleri ne de yamandir Ano yemendir gülü cemendir Giden gelmiyor acep nedendir Burasi Mus‘tur yolu yokustur Giden gelmiyor acep ne istir Kislanin önünde asker sesi var Bakin cantasinda acep nesi var Bir cift kundurayla bir de fesi var Ano yemendir gülü cemendir Giden gelmiyor acep nedendir Burasi Mus‘tur yolu yokustur Giden gelmiyor acep ne istir... I know it. Everyone in Turkey knows it (though I'm not sure it is sung exactly like this - I don't have good memory with lyrics). quote:Originally posted by MosJan: wh00tJan - pleas do not!!! use turkish in this forum. Thank you... MOvses Dude, why do you have to be hysterical about everything? quote:Originally posted by Twilight Bark: I think it is a lamentation on the fallen Turkish soldiers in distant corners of the Empire, Yemen to be specific. It is tangentially relevant to the Genocide in that such military (as well as civilian Muslim and possibly Christian as well) casualties during WW1 are lumped into a big number by the apologists and utilized in saying "Well, 2.5 million Ottoman subjects died too", implying that Armenians somehow bore responsibility for those deaths. By the way, I do feel for the poor fallen soldiers sent to battle as cannon fodder, courtesy of the Ittihadist rulers of the time, whose "core competence" was the slaughter of civilians. Yes... Those stupid wars (Ittihadists' and the sultans' before them) left many a family without its men...

quote:Originally posted by Boghos: I was reading about the Center for Research and Documentation of Armenian architecture and there was a mention of Armenian churches in Iceland. I have been to Iceland but it never ocurred to me looking up an Armenian church (unlike in most other countries). in any case I started to investigate the subject and so far did not come up with any Armenian church (non-functioning, I would suspect) in Iceland. But an interesting mention of Armenian religious people in early Iceland. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/63h/63h039.html Very interesting, Boghosinho!

No, the violin's ancestor DID exist in Anatolia (but more to the whereabouts of Mesopotamia, I think)... I heard this from the lecturer of the course, "History of Music" or something that I took last year... Great guy, by the way. He followed archaeologists around and found things delightful for him. One funny story of his included a cuneiform tablet somewhere. They had deciphered/read the original message at the top (addressing some governor, etc.), but they hadn't been able to figure out what the patterns and marks at the bottom of the tablet were. A few months later, this lecturer gets called back by his archaeologist friend and is told that the "patterns" were "scribbles" which the secretary had written, for the messenger to pass on to his mother who was also in the town of destination: "And while you're over there, tell my mother, 'Mom, I'll be home by the next blah blah blah, I want my favourite dish of blah blah blah, too, love and kisses, etc.' " LOL... Something like that. Not everyone was able to read, so nobody would bother and notice the favour the messenger was doing for his secretary friend. LOL...

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: Hmm, I seem to remember you saying that you were studying engineering.. or maybe it's the term "nutty" you're objecting to. Nah, I don’t dispute that, either. quote No, your field of study is not chosen for you. You make your choices, but you also have to be able to measure up. quote Certainly. In the older days, “barriers” were fixed. You took your exam, then the scores were announced, and you would go to see what you could attend, following what schools had posted on their notice boards. Even before that, you took each school’s exams separately. This was troublesome, as there would be two exams the same date, sometimes in different cities according to universities. Our current system has eliminated all these problems. (It has also prevented specific political factions [fundamentalists, Grey Wolves, communists, etc.] from grouping in certain schools – there is no end to what means those creeps [professors sympathizing with those] will resort to and abuse their powers – choosing students for their political inclinations rather than their aptitudes.) Additionally, you are able to code in 24 schools – 18 4-year programmes and 6 two-year – on a sheet you bring with you to the place where you take your test, and you hand that in with the answer sheet at the end of the exam. Your choices are entirely up to you. You can pick different departments from the same school or the same field of study from different schools (I did the former – the latter is for idealists What a sadist. However, if your cousin had registered into chemical engineering AND taken the test again, he would have been in a very disadvantageous situation, because the coefficient with which our cumulative high school grades are multiplied with goes from a “virgin’s” 0.6 down to 0.4 – or maybe even down to 0.25 (not sure) – that’s just another rule (penalty) – and not having the time to concentrate and prepare with school on the side. This way, he is on the safe side (but putting up with the same torture yet another year – taking those courses again – toppling mountains of books of multiple-choice tests – yuck). Some of this stuff has been changed the year after we had our turn. I think now they wait for the results and THEN code their choices according to the results, guesstimating what they can measure up for – not that such ever came as a surprise. Actually, I like that idea. Also, we used to take two exams – one eliminated about half those who took the test – the other placed those who could get in somewheres. Now, it is only one (and thus too very risky – we of our “generation” would faint and go bananas on the first and be calmer with the second – “This is no big deal after all!” etc.). Anyway, that shit is the past for me. No need to bother knowing what they do. Oh no... I have a brother who will be due for such in about three years and a half. Who is going to explain the kid’s situation (year-long stress from following the house-school-courses-home triangle almost everyday) for my parents and give them advice on how to handle it? But then, they probably have some experience from me.

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: That's because they we want to see what that nutty engineer will say next! Speaking of engineering, my cousin in Istanbul recently "won" chemical engineering but is going to "take the test" again next year because he wants to do electrical engineering. Care to explain how the educational system works? (Who is the nutty engineer?) The way you are able to get into a specific department in a specific university is much like the demand-supply stuff... The higher the demand for a specific university, the greater the "barrier," as quota are fixed - they take in the kids that score the highest among those that apply through those to-be-read-optically forms. Your score has to exceed the value for that barrier. Most of your "score" consists of what you do on the "university entrance exam"... Your high school grades have very little effect (and they also grade your high school success according to all the members in your class)... So, it is a bit complicated and distasteful to say the least. The first time I had asked our counselor how these things worked, she gave me this booklet and I was ed by the formulae in there... Of course, if it had been now, I could have interpreted them - all pretty much statistical calculations, I would suppose, standard deviations and all! Your cousin has to take the exam again because electrical engineering in his (her?)school (or any school, really) is more on demand than chemical engineering and hence the score he has to get is higher. I think he could have considered transferring at the end of the first year of chemical engineering if his grade would be high enough, but that is risky - it might not happen from the electrical engineering department's end - that is the only place where they have say, and, if this is a public school we are talking about, they have little interest in their students' success - really. If he gets a score high enough this time, there is no way that department can object. It is that dry and simple and computerized. He just has to do it, but I'm always skeptical about people who say they'll do better the second time, especially if your cousin is going to take the courses at his university this year. Maybe if he were just preparing, yeah...

LOL! Who's Online says there are four visitors, all, minus myself who is obviously looking at who is online, are reading this thread! LOL! What will you guys do, bury your heads in the sand side by side, too? LOL...

quote:Originally posted by hagarag: Thorny Rose, I read your posts. So the Turkish government wants to bury the sins against the Jews also. Is the whole cloth of Turkish society based on lies? It is no wonder Turkey finds itself in so much trouble economically and diplomatically. Phah... And nobody has thanked me for taking the time to translate that stuff...

I agree, Khodja... I am wondering what the days ahead hold for Karakoyunlu, Mahçupyan, etc... Have you read the last stuff I've posted here: /cgi-bin/forum/ultim...c&f=10&t=000231 ?

More: MHP’s Çakar says he is going to “turn TRT inside-out” (didik didik etmek = search detail by detail _Thorny) Ahmet Çakar, Parliamentary Administrative Chairman who has started all the debates about the film “Salkım Hanım’ın Taneleri” which was adapted into a scenario from the book by Yılmaz Karakoyunlu carrying the same name, said, “I have done my job. From this hour on, Yılmaz Karakoyunlu had better protect himself from the Turkish state.” Çakar said that he was going to file a search warrant and “turn TRT inside out.” Çakar, in a briefing to journalists, said, “A scene in the film depicts a Turkish ***** saying to his bride, ‘If my son can’t impregnate you, then I will.’ How can this be? I watched the film second by second. It made my skin crawl. This is treason.” Çakar said to the reporters, “Elhamdulillah I am Turkish and Muslim. There is no question about my heritage, either. I’ve done my job. Now it is up to the state. While the government deals with the economic crisis, I deal with these.” Also, there is an apology by Hürriyet for the mistake regarding the age of the ***** (rather, the question of, was it 1910 or 1940+?)...