Qnqush Anoush Anushik

[THOTH]

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Originally posted by Loreley:

Tooth: I agree with your ideas!!!!!!

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Well thank you, me too (LOL!)

[Harut]

can someone explain me why judging other people is so bad?

[Loreley]

Harut: I think that making judgements is bad because it means that you are making an assumption about a person without really knowing that person or without knowing their situation. Would you like people to judge you because of your race, gender, appearance,etc.? It is very easy to judge other people because you are not in their shoes. When we judge a person, we don't really have emphaty for their situation. I spend time on improving myself instead of judging/critizing other people.

[QRISTINE]

Hi

 

Let’s test our critical thinking about clothing and find out how we observe things in life. Welcome to share your thoughts. (please be sincere with your answers.

 

The young lady walks at the middle of the night on the street. She finds herself being lost in the new town. In order to get a direction she needs ask for help. The young lady sees two men walking toward her, she decides to ask for direction from one of them. One of the man wears a suit and have a classical look, on the other hand the other stranger dressed like gothic. (taparakan, poxotsain,)

 

Question

 

Who should the young lady ask for help first and why?

[THOTH]

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

I DO NOT JUDGE ANYBODY I DISLIKE THAT WORD VERY MUCH, IT IS WHAT I WOULD PREFER. I BELIVE THERE ARE GREAT DIFFERENCE OF MEANINGS BETWEEN THIS TWO POWERFUL WORDS.

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What 2 words? BTW - your caps lock is normally located on the middle of the far left of your keyboard.

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

LORELY HOPEFULLY YOU UNDERSTAND ARMENIAN PLEASE GO AND READ MY LAST POSTS AND I AM SURE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW I REALLY THINK. MY POINT IS THAT THERE IS NO FRIEND TO YOUR TASTE. AND I DON’T CONSIDER IT IS JUDGEMENTAL STATEMENT. I CAN CLARIFY THIS TO YOU. EXAMPLE, I LIKE TO WEAR DRESSES IN PUBLIC AREAS, HOWEVER MY FRIEND MIGHT FIND ATTRACTIVE VERY SHORT SKIRTS OR NECK BARED CLOTHING. IT IS ALL MATTER OF TASTE.

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Yes it is. And you are being judgemental regardless of denying such.

 

DEAR MEMBERS,

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

I AM SERIOUSLY DISOPOINTED WHEN PEOPLE ARE MISINTERPETING MY STATEMENTS, PRETENDING, AND TRYING PUT YOU DOWN.

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Can't say you are being very clear...who is puttng you down BTW...it is you who are judging and putting others down - continually...

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

SOCIETY MIGHT GIVE US TOO MANY OPTIONS, BUT AS HUMAN BEINGS WE HAVE TO SEE MODESTY IN CLOTHING ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE PUBLIC AREAS.

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"too many options" ? "we have to see modesty in clothing" ? - judgemental ... opinion ... what basis? etc

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

AND OUR FUTURE GENERATION WILL LEARN FROM US.

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agreed - and I can give you quotes from 2500 years ago where the "older" generation is decrying the styles & habits of the "younger" - nothing new here...so what will they learn? intolerance? inability to think outside of prescribed norms? ?

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

I PERSONALLY HAVE WITNESSED IN SO MANY CASES THAT MANY OF THE TEACHERS WERE NOT EXCEPTABLE TO SCHOOLS ONLY BECAUSE OF THEIR DRESSING STYELES. THEY MIGHT HAD A GREAT BEHAVIOUR, BUT FROM THE FIRST IMPRESSION MOST OF THEM WERE REJECTED,

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Rejected by who? You and others who think like you - just out of hand. Not judgemental you say...or are you saying the children have rejected them? Why would that be - who is injecting their minds with this "right and wrong" judgement? I wonder...(as I doubt most children on their own would really care much...just like most children don't notice race differences until they hear their parents etc...)

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

SO I BELIVE 90% OF OUR POPULATION REALLY CARES HOW PEOPLE DRESSED NOW DAYS. I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD ALWAYS FOLLOW WHAT THE SOCIETY TELLS US TO DO.

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Really - 90%...did you conduct a poll? How do you base this figure? I find this contention very hard to believe...though in fact I am uncertain as to what you are saying with this statement anyway..."really cares how people (are) dressed now days" ? Should we do a Hye forum poll? How many really care how people are dressed now days? I normally don't wear Armani...will this count againt me?

[EZ]

"Qnqush Anoush Anushik"

 

Tarkmanutyun please.

 

"Qnqush", tried to look it up, figured it must be future sentence or something so the word starts with "n"?

[MJ]

Elly,

 

"Qnqush" is best conveyed by the word "tender," I think.

[THOTH]

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Originally posted by Harut:

can someone explain me why judging other people is so bad?

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The Turks judged us.

[THOTH]

Well tha answer is obvious (from nearly every perspective - IMO) - though I could perhaps see where many factors could be taken into account (considering and beyond the cloths and or style/length of hair, pressence of piercings and such...)....so lets explore some of them.

 

If she was thinking with her head - well she might be inclined to choose the goth. IMO/experience - men in suits frequently have an overdeveloped sense of importance and would be more likely to either brush her off or attempt to take advantage of her (sexual advance or try to sell her something useless, bilk her out of cash etc) because they think that they are some special catch, or they just can't get out of their entripenurial groove...(a problem with some guys - work obsessivness - till it entirely defines them....is this what women really want?)

 

If she is feling with her heart - well again the goth dressed man could be the choice. The suit is (much more) likely some unimagintive stiff (obsessed by his accounting job, vacume cleaner sales or whatever), wheras the goth is more likely somebody interesting/unique who might actually strike up a conversation or such, which could lead to a coffee, perhaps a nice massage, and who knows from there... at least a chance of some excitement or worthwhile time spent. And if she is a smoker (or toker?) more chance to bum one or such...(and exactly what was she looking for late at night, in a strange town...etc)

 

But, if she mearly wished for directions...well maybe the guy in the suit (I'll grant...but one never knows - perhaps he takes a cab around while the other guy makes his own way through the neighborhood...)...as/but the goth dressed might be more likely to get metiphysical with her...

 

Conclusion - can't rightly say - as the possibilities are endless and in fact dress alone confers no deterministic on the outcome...all is just speculation (and you can see that judgements can/are often [be] wrong or misguided)...and other factors could come into account (such as was either visibly carrying a map?)

 

So I yes - we all make judgements - but those of us who know that such judgements are often flawed realise its better to take every situation (and individual) as unique and give them a chance before brushing them off because of ourr pre-concieved notions...

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

Hi

 

Let’s test our critical thinking about clothing and find out how we observe things in life. Welcome to share your thoughts. (please be sincere with your answers.

 

The young lady walks at the middle of the night on the street. She finds herself being lost in the new town. In order to get a direction she needs ask for help. The young lady sees two men walking toward her, she decides to ask for direction from one of them. One of the man wears a suit and have a classical look, on the other hand the other stranger dressed like gothic. (taparakan, poxotsain,)

 

Question

 

Who should the young lady ask for help first and why?

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[Loreley]

I will ask whoever I see first, doesn't really make a difference what they are wearing.

[MosJan]

first date - you see this person first time or a blind date

[Loreley]

Mosjan: Hi. If I already had a date with him, I would go out with him and get to know him. It would be disrespectful to make up an excuse and not go. We always learn something from everybody. I don't have friends that dress up that way, so it would be interesting to get to know that person.

[Stormig]

Ask it generally if they are walking side by side.

Asking one will make the other feel left-out and not treated with respect, hence it is rude. I hope nobody is going to tell me the Gothic-looking doesn't deserve equal treatment.

Moreover, I don't feel intimidated by anyone's looks. It is not because I am Gothic or "worse" myself. I don't even have my ears pierced.

[Sip]

I was just thinking what I would do if the situation were reversed ... I just can't imagine what I would do.

 

First of all, it's HIGHLY unlikely I would get lost. Second of all, the odds of 2 women walking towards me, one being well dressed and good looking in the middle of the night is astronomically low.

 

So I think I just carry around my GPS receiver as usual But if I were to ask something from one of the two, I would probably ask the one that made eye contact with me first and had the friendlier face.

[vava]

Well. As it stands, my current wife/girlfriend/partner whatever you want to call her dresses for the occasion. If it's an night out at the opera, she'll likely wear a evening gown. If we are going to play tennis, maybe (if I'm lucky) she'll wear one of those cute tennis skirts.

 

But for arguments sake - let's say that tomorrow, she decides to do something to her appearance that is 'innappropriate' (and this is very subjective!)

 

Let's use an example that is a little more lasting than just a change in dress. For instance, she shaves half her head, and dyes what remains of her hair purple. (BTW this is perfectly acceptable for some, that's fine - but it is not exactly to my taste)

 

Now, am I going to stop loving her because of her outrageous hair?? I think the answer is obvious.

 

The point is, we must cease to judge the beliefs/behaviours/attitudes of people based on their appearances...

 

After all, Hitler was always well-dressed and clean shaven

[Loreley]

Qristine: I personally could care less if people are staring at my boyfriend/partner/husband. As long as I accept him for who is and how he dresses, I don't need other people's approval.

[QRISTINE]

It sounds like I do not hear much of Armenians point of views on this matter(no offence).I am sure that most of the Armenians will never allow to see their partner dress in appropriate ways, and if the man/woman mistakenly thought by that immodest look she/he is going to impress their partner, and were dressed for the date in the style that was not suppose to, then he/she certainly would care how other’s look at their spouses. Don’t you think Armenians are Temperament (taqarun) ? Specially when it comes to their partners? As one of Armenian I would say that we as Armenian like to see limited levels of styles in clothing.

 

I will read your feedbacks after I return back from Armenia. Take care.

[QRISTINE]

Sorry if i was not specific enought they were walking side by side.

 

Wow it is so amazing how people changed for one year period of time.

I was watching the program on Russian channel ORT the program called secretary camera- hidden cameras. They ended research at the end of 2001 and the results were out of 90% of population preferred to ask question from the person who was dressed in suit ,on the other hand the other 10 % chose the other way around. Anyways my bottom line will be we as educators, etc… we perceive the way as 90% people did. In our eyes the person who was dressed like a gothic= the person who dresses like immodest. I am not saying we don’t have to show respect toward gothics in fact we do, but the point of this experiment is, what would be our first impression of the way people are dressed. I believe we all see the life the way we are, for example if I do not like dressing immodest styles I do not think I am going to like the person who does. (I am not talking about respect don’t confuse this ,it is about disliking improper dressing styles) It is very interesting to know let’s say you with your husband/wife or future husband /wife going for a date, and she dressed as I call improperly. You notice that people are starring at her because of her /his attractive completely uncovered body.

What would be your reaction?

[Stormig]

Where was this survey conducted?

[THOTH]

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

I believe we all see the life the way we are,

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Haven't a clue...(as to what you are trying to say...even with the following examples...If you are saying that we only accept people who are or look like us - then I think you are mistaken - some can rise above such a narrow approach.

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

[QBfor example if I do not like dressing immodest styles I do not think I am going to like the person who does.[/QB]

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Now thats some statement. I guess you must not like most Africans or (near equatorial) native peoples... Its too bad really that you let your predjudices/pre-judgements close you so... have you ever wondered if you just might be wrong and be seriously missing out?

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

[QB(I am not talking about respect don’t confuse this ,it is about disliking improper dressing styles)[/QB]

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Well we understand that you don't like "imodest" dressing (whatever constitutes this in your eyes...BTW - is it OK for gals to show some ankle? What length of dress is appropriate? Must the brests de disguised in some way to not show?

 

Can you "respect" someone whom you dislike? Somethin glike - we respect Saddam Hussein for his ability to hold onto power - but we dislike him at the same time....somehow my overall impression is that you are still very predjudiced against people because of their looks. Do you approve of corn row hair styling? Tattoos/body art? Are women who wear form fitting saris OK? And I know you have already expressed your dislike of beards and long mustaches (& I imagine long hair on men)...perhaps men should shave all of their hair off - no?

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

[QBIt is very interesting to know let’s say you with your husband/wife or future husband /wife going for a date, and she dressed as I call improperly.[/QB]

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I think you must specify. I mean if we are going out to a club to dance etc I might expect her to dress nicely/sexily. If we were going out to a ball game perhaps shorts & a t-shirt (I already know that you feel this is improper)...

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

[QBYou notice that people are starring at her because of her /his attractive completely uncovered body. [/QB]

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Now you are saying she is completely uncovered...I would assume that if she were the only one this would be rather strange...but if we were at a nudist/naturist gathering this would not be at all unusual. Ussually staring is more of a testement about the starer not the staree...

 

Do you know anything at all about nudist/naturist philosophy BTW? You might be interested to look into it. They find freedom from being concientious about their looks or having to dress certain ways by shedding their clothes. It is a very liberating and egalitarian experience. There is even whole family nudism. You might be surprised at the wholesomeness of it all and it might open your eyes up to some things (LOL)

 

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

[QBWhat would be your reaction? [/QB]

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I might feel complemented (or feel good for my wife/g-f...heh - looking gooooood!!!!! LOL), don't know...but for the most part I think I would just ignore it. Now one time when I was (with a group of friends) in Mexico (Ensenada) with two blond gals (not dressed particualry provacativly...but one was so naturally stunning looking that it never mattered...)a (drunk) local approached us and began making lewd comments (and grabbing motions)...well I jumped him...so perhaps there is a line/difference between staring and comments/action...but who was at fault here? The gals were not dressed unusually for tourists in this town - not at all. What do you think?

[THOTH]

Qristine -

 

Have a very nice trip to Armenia. Enjoy. And take your time. Perhaps you will learn to live a bit. If you open your eyes you may see things beyond what your current pre-conceptions allow...

[THOTH]

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Originally posted by QRISTINE:

It sounds like I do not hear much of Armenians point of views on this matter(no offence).

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You see - here again you are mistaken. Perhaps Armenains have (and maybe even all along have had) more views than you give them credit for...

[SAS]

MosJan,

 

aveli lav e du gas Moskva: Aystegh menak mi tesaki "lavash" ka, anunn el RUSine, bayc ho hamuhot chuni` xentanalu ban:

 

Heto el` pordzats tan@ anpordz matsnic lav e:

 

Mtatsir, barekams, mtatsir, te LA gnalov inchi~c ... ZRKVECIR:

 

Xegh& tgha, achqers qoranain,- "colestrrol free" huysin e mnacel... Vay zulum ashxarh:

 

[ December 25, 2002, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: SAS ]

[MosJan]

Es inch Zulluuum Ashxarh e

HAykakan LAvash chka ~~~

 

SAS jan che ches Hamuzi yes et MOskwan chem sirum chem ga

du LA ari / kam el karror enq Yerevanum handipel 5-6rd amisnerin /inch tesaki u hami lavash uzes

[QRISTINE]

Thoth

Shnorakalution ko bari maxtankneri hamar.Baits anbarebaxtabar chhajoxvets im gnal@ invh vor hamgamankeri patcharov.Baits me te es aidkan el anchashak em?

 

vor portsum es im achkere batsel.Qo kartsikov hay lines u ashkert pak? uxaki amen inch iren chapn u sahmane petq e unena.