Qnqush Anoush Anushik

[Sip]

Honestly?

 

A bit of personality and brains can make up for a LOT of "marmin". But at least a few times a day guys think of nothing but "marmin". But to answer your question, EVERYONE judges by looks. Don't tell me girls don't INSTANTLY judge someone by their looks as well. Actually, I'd say guys are probably more innocent in their judging as they see what they see and think the rather obvious! (or maybe it just seems obvious to me )

 

I just have this feeling that women on the other hand, seem to come up with entire stories in their minds, very complex in nature, that can be very far from the truth at times.

 

But don't expect anyone not to judge you by your looks. They ALWAYS will. More than 40% of the brain is dedicated to processing visual info so it's not that unnatural... especially for males, who are much more "visual" to begin with.

 

FYI, I highly doubt anyone has judged you by your looks in this forum

 

Anooshed lini Movses jan

 

... and thanks (to both Mos and Nair).

[Sip]

Ok, now that we REALLY confused things, let me ask this: (Movses I know you'll hate me but this question popped in my head this morning and the other thread is closed )

 

Varduhi -> Vardush

Tsaxgouhi -> Tasxgush

Sirouhi -> Sirush

Gayane -> Gayush

 

There are a lot of abbreviated female name endings that end in ush ... especially among barska hyes that I've heard of. Is this ush maybe the same 'ush' as in Anush?

 

[ December 19, 2002, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

[MosJan]

iyo Sipush jan iyo

[Harut]

Sip, i don't think so.

[TigrannesIII]

girls have to respect themselves first. a girl who has half of her chest hanging out or if i can see her underwear through her jeans because they're so tight...... they shouldn't expect me to respect that. i'm not sayin you do that, but so long as there are other girls that do that, it's going to be that way. i honestly think the muslims are on to something- in a way.

 

[ December 19, 2002, 06:32 PM: Message edited by: TigrannesIII ]

[Sip]

Tig, except for that last part, I totally agree with you for a change!!!

[TigrannesIII]

but you see, that just ties into my thinking that everyone here tries to bash. if girls everywhere are putting out (why i'm so against armenian girls doing it) then of course we're going to be looking at them differently, only wanting one thing. it's not women's 'empowerment' it really only hinders them in the end.

[MosJan]

Rich - Karj asats amen inch ir chapi sahmanerum e Geretsik - voch shat pakn e mi bani petq voch el shat bats@ -

 

MOvses

[QRISTINE]

I'm so sick of guys judging me by my looks! Can they for once (!) concentrate on my personality??

 

Hi NAIRI

 

I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR YOU. DON'T GET UPSET WITH GUYS WHO JUDGE YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR LOOK. THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT BEAUTY OUTSIDE LASTS FOR A SHORT TIME BUT THE BEUATY INSIDE LASTS FOREVER.

[MosJan]

Qristy jan menq el nuyn enq asum vor Axchikner@ / Kanayq petq che vor mez Tramardkanst miyayn artaqin tesqov daten

sakayn tesq ka yev ka TESQ - yete axchik@ kam kin@ hagnvum e chapits durs bats - inqnaberabar da miyayn yev miyayn mek ban e nshanakum iskmenq tramardiqs bats hagnelu kariq chunenq - te hagnen el tramardu ter chen el dni

[Harut]

wait a minute!

 

how can you not accept me judging on the look!?

 

if i date a girl for the first time and she looks pretty ugly, you suggest that i have to force myself to date her again until i find her inner beauty? even though i get scared each time i grance at her?

[QRISTINE]

Qristy jan menq el nuyn enq asum vor Axchikner@ / Kanayq petq che vor mez Tramardkanst miyayn artaqin tesqov daten

sakayn tesq ka yev ka TESQ - yete axchik@ kam kin@ hagnvum e chapits durs bats - inqnaberabar da miyayn yev miyayn mek ban e nshanakum iskmenq tramardiqs bats hagnelu kariq chunenq - te hagnen el tramardu ter chen el dni

 

Yes haskatsel em inch eik grel uxaki es uzetsi avelatsnel inchpes mer antsialnern ein asum.BAITS TSAVOQ SRTI AISORVA DRUTIAMB METSAMASNUTIONE HATKAPES ERITASARDUTIONE CHI UNDUNUM AID. ES HAMAMIT EM KEZ HET KIANKUM KAREVOR E DATEL TE AID TVIAL ANDSNAVORUTIONE INCH MAKARDAKI TER MARD E, INCH MTATSELAKERPI ANDSNAVORUTIAN HET ENK SHPVUM.

[Loreley]

No matter what a woman wears (tight pants,short parts,etc.), she should still be respected. That kind of thinking "look at what she wears, she doesn't deserve respect,etc." ties up to the idea "she got raped, but it is her fault because she was out late by herself, she was wearing short skirts, open blouse." Each person can wear whatever they want, that doesn't give you the right to disrespect her/him or harass him/her.

[Loreley]

It is a "natural" tendency that the first impression you get from a person is by the way they look. But then, it is a combination of feeling physically attractive to the person, liking their personality, being able to have good conversations, getting bonded with that person, admiring her/him for the person they are. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

[Stormig]

In fact, I got/get the best personal treatment from liberals who, even if they feel any sexual urges from what I wear, put their impulses aside and keep on treating me as they would if I were dressed more "modestly." It is the conservatives who are the creeps who go gung-ho when they see something they are not used to and no other way. Liberals can do it, why can't the holier-than-thou conservatives?

 

So the issue is about doing what others don't and not doing what others do?

[TigrannesIII]

no, loreley- if a woman is whoring herself out, trying to use her body to get what she wants, i'm not going to respect that. I'm not going to respect someone just because someone says I have to give them respect. They have to earn it.

[TigrannesIII]

I know you don't want to hear it, but a girl out by herself, late at night, wearing revealing clothes, IS asking for it. I'm not saying rape isn't wrong, but if I take a nap on the train tracks, it's not like I want the train to run me over, but I am asking for it.

[Stormig]

So, a guy losing control over himself to not respect the boundaries of a person is as deterministic as the fact that a train runs on its rails? Are men REALLY that primitive? I think not.

Rape is wrong (abuse) - not wearing what one likes (natural).

Sleeping on the rails is wrong (abuse - putting yourself in danger) - not the train running over its rails (expected).

In both cases, the latter won't/can't be held accountable.

And it is the disrespect that leads to rape. Disrespect starts with types like you and it takes the less educated, less well-mannered to consummate it.

Why should I care about pleasing the whims of any conservative? No matter what I do, it's gonna have to go all the way to some Saudi disapproving of my eyes showing through my veil. So, next time a guy disrespects me (calls me a "whore") because he doesn't like what I am wearing, they are asking for it, hence they better be wearing a "cookie" - I just won't be held accountable for what happens after that...

[THOTH]

quote:

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Originally posted by TigrannesIII:

girls have to respect themselves first.

Who are you to judge when this condition is met? I know some nudists who have no inhibitions about their bodies - seems that they meet this criteria of respect (themselves/their bodies) in a greater fashion then perhaps you or I who might be more inhibited in "showing all" - perhaps they can think that we aree the ones who have no respect for our bodies that we must cover them. Regardless - you cannot judge another in this manner. What is provacative for you may not be to another (and on and on) - and you are making a judgement that to be provacative is wrong - I dispute this. (In fact I am all for it! LOL). Don't be such a prude - enjoy yourself a bit. And if you can't - well let others be. Life is too short. Soon we all grow old and die...

 

quote:

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Originally posted by TigrannesIII:

[quotea girl who has half of her chest hanging out

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What if she is just naturally big chested? Hard to hide that - should she be shunned - never allowed to step outside...becasye you might bone up and lose control?

 

quote:

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Originally posted by TigrannesIII:

[quoteor if i can see her underwear through her jeans because they're so tight...... they shouldn't expect me to respect that.

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Kids and their silly fashions...oh to be young again! LOL. Your clueless dude!

 

quote:

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Originally posted by TigrannesIII:

[quotei'm not sayin you do that, but so long as there are other girls that do that, it's going to be that way.

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Yes, its just going to be that way. I imagine the amish might think the way you dress is pretty risque. They don't respect you BTW. I think you should change and only dress in black and always where a stove pipe hat. This is how you should be. If not - do not expect to be respected. I mean - what can you be thinking, dressing like you do? You must be a child of Satan...etc

 

quote:

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Originally posted by TigrannesIII:

[quotei honestly think the muslims are on to something- in a way.

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I wholeheartedly agree (not - this says it all Rich - BTW - do you wish Strom Thurmond were elcted President in 1948 - would all our "problems" be solveed...))...yeah, those ankles you know - just drive me crazy...don't know how I can control myself if I catch site of them...and I shouldn't be blamed for jumping/humping any "whore" who would as much as show an ankle in public...etc

[Loreley]

Tigrannes: Do you even know what it means to be raped/harassed/molested? Do you have an idea of how it affects a person's life/emotional state/family? Nobody asks to be raped. It is one of the worst things that can happen to a person. So, if you are walking at night, and somebody steals your wallet, is it your fault? You are taking the blame away from the perpetrator. I will really appreciate if you STOP using the word "whore" (my apology to everybody for having to write it). I have noticed that everytime that the topic is about women, you put that word in your statements. You should not use it to refer to anybody, it is offensive. Thank you.

[Loreley]

Tigrannes: Do you even know what it means to be raped/harassed/molested? Do you have an idea of how it affects a person's life/emotional state/family? Nobody asks to be raped. It is one of the worst things that can happen to a person. So, if you are walking at night, and somebody steals your wallet, is it your fault? You are taking the blame away from the perpetrator. I will really appreciate if you STOP using the word "whore" (my apology to everybody for having to write it). I have noticed that everytime that the topic is about women, you put that word in your statements. You should not use it to refer to anybody, it is offensive. Thank you.

[MosJan]

Harout jan Date her only at nights wan it's dark - Pich Bock

[QRISTINE]

Other things besides cars and darkness encourage unchastity and immorality. One of them is immodesty. The young people today seem to talk about sex glibly. They hear it in the locker rooms and on the street, they see and hear it in shows and on television, they read it in the ****ographic books everywhere. Those who do not resist this influence absorb and foster it. The spirit of immodesty has developed until nothing seems to be sacred.

One factor contributing to immodesty and the breakdown of moral values is the modern dress worn by our young women and their mothers. I see young women, and some older ones, on the streets wearing shorts. This is not right. The place for women to wear shorts is in their rooms, in their own homes, in their own gardens. I see some of our LDS mothers, wives, and daughters wearing dresses extreme and suggestive in style. Even some fathers encourage it. I wonder if our sisters realize the temptation they are flaunting before men when they leave their bodies partly uncovered or dress in tight-fitting, body-revealing, form-fitting sweaters.

There is no reason why a woman needs to wear an immodest gown because it is the style. We can be in style yet not be extreme. We can create styles of our own. A woman is most beautiful when her body is properly clothed and her sweet face adorned with her lovely hair. She needs no more attractions. Then she is at her best and men will love her for it. Men will not love her more because her neck is bare. Girls, if the young man is decent and worthy of you, he will love you the more when you are properly dressed. Of course, if he is a vicious man he will have other ideas.

It would almost seem that some phases of immodesty in dress, in both men and women, border on exhibitionism, the perverted behavior in which people satisfy their lustful desires in displaying their bodies to others. One has indeed slipped a long way down the ladder when he resorts to this detestable expression, though fortunately he can regenerate and restore and transform himself with total repentance, and can be forgiven. Still, no one but a depraved person could approve of the practice or grant its acceptance.

But is this ugly displaying of one's private body to others so far removed from those instances of men who do their yard work wearing only pants and shoes, and those who drive about in cars with the upper part of their bodies uncovered? Is this exhibitionism so different and far removed from that of those young and older women who resort to wearing tight-fitting clothes which accentuate the human body, and those who show their backs and bosoms and lower limbs? Style is blamed for these extremes, but we wonder again if there might not be some satisfactions, sexual and otherwise, in what seems a wanton disregard of modest decency. Are the very scant bathing suits worn for style or to shock or stir or tempt? Can there be in all these expressions total innocence and total modesty? There are laws against indecent exposure, but why jail the man who exhibits his body so very little more than the women who show so little less? Is it possible that in all these immodesties there might be at least some of the same desires which prompt the exhibitionist to uncover his body and flaunt it before people?

We cannot overemphasize immodesty as one of the pitfalls to be avoided if we would shun temptation and keep ourselves clean.

[THOTH]

Qristine - get real. You object to women wearing shorts in public? I really don't know what to say to that (except perhaps you and Tigrannes auth to exchange phone numbers...of course get your parents permission first!)

 

What you fail to understand is that the human body is beautiful (and [particualrly] beautiful human bodies are down right awesome! LOL) There is nothing wrong with appreciating the opposite sex (or whatever)...the ancient greeks certainly did - as well as other ancient societies. Somehow we have become twisted in our values - denying much of our nature, creating psychosis out of what should be normal and natural. So some go overboard - yes - I could agree with this - but I don't see anything inherently wrong with sexuality, displaying (?) the human body, having a little fun with it - etc. If you choose not to wear shorts fine. No problem. But if others choose differently it is not your place to judge. In fact it is you who is out of step with Western values.

 

Are these values perfect - etc - no - I won't go that far. But I certainly prefer them to denialist values that stem from a belief system that IMO is at odds with natural human behavior. And I really think our society has bigger problems that don't stem from these factors but are caused by other issues - such as poor parenting and passing of manners and values - not necessarily puritanic values - but those that teach respect of others and thus oneself (and for out planet/environment, other cultures/values etc). With a solid foundation people will have the where-with-all to make good choices for themselves and for society at large. We don't need restrictive rules and fear of mythical punishments etc - these beliefs have done little to stop killings and nasty behavior of man towards fellow man (and woman etc). I don't buy it.

[QRISTINE]

Dear Thoth

I have no Idea what you are talking about Tigraness I don’t know if you exchange your phone number in order to get a support BUT IN MY CASE I have no clue about that,but thanks that will be great if I can find someone like that and exchange the numbers. Thanks a lot for the advice I highly respect that. ARE THERE ANY VOLUNTEERS LOL

What is great about my characteristic is that I am always real.

What you fail to understand is that the human body is beautiful (and [particualrly] beautiful human bodies are down right awesome! LOL)

 

I did not fail to understand that human body is beautiful, but on the other hand I don’t really get your point if we as human beings have a beautiful body then we have to be exposed? or do we need to wonder around naked? Is that what you prefer? THEN I WILL SUGGEST TO YOU WONDER AROUND NAKED AND EVEN DON’T WORRY ABOUT SPENDING MONEY AND TIME FOR YOUR CLOTHING, AND EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR BEAUTIFUL PARTS OF BODY LOL

 

 

Latter-day Saints believe that modest dress reflects commitment to a Christlike life and shows respect for self, for fellow beings, and for God. In their homes and in the Church, they are taught that modest dress has a positive effect on both self-esteem and behavior.

According to LDS theology, the body is more than a biological entity; it is a temple that houses an eternal spirit (cf. 1 Cor. 3:16-17). Physical intimacy is reserved for marriage (see chasity). Modest dress serves as a physical and spiritual guard against immoral behavior and its inherent physical, emotional, and spiritual harm. Because modesty in dress cannot be reduced to a matter of particular styles, individuals are encouraged to use discretion to determine appropriate dress in varying situations.

Emphasizing the importance of modest dress, President Spencer W. Kimball stated, "I am positive that personal grooming and cleanliness, as well as the clothes we wear, can be tremendous factors in the standards we set and follow on the pathway to immortality and eternal life" (1979, p. 3).

 

Servants of God have always counseled his children to dress modestly to show respect for him and for themselves. Because the way you dress sends messages about yourself to others and often influences the way you and others act, you should dress in such a way as to bring out the best in yourself and those around you. However, if you wear an immodest bathing suit because it's "the style," it sends a message that you are using your body to get attention and approval, and that modesty is not important.

Immodest clothing includes short shorts, tight pants, and other revealing attire. Young women should refrain from wearing off-the-shoulder, low-cut, or revealing clothes. Young men should similarly maintain modesty in their dress. All should avoid tight fitting or revealing clothes and extremes in clothing and appearance.

As Latter-day Saint youth, you can also show respect for the Lord and yourselves by dressing appropriately for Church meetings and activities, whether on Sunday or during the week. If you are not sure what's appropriate, ask for guidelines from your parents, advisers, and bishop.

 

Men

A clean and well-cared-for appearance should be maintained. Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, revealing, or form fitting. Shorts must be knee length or longer. Hairstyles should be clean and neat, avoiding extreme styles or colors, and trimmed above the collar leaving the ear uncovered. Sideburns should not extend below the earlobe or onto the cheek. If worn, moustaches should be neatly trimmed and may not extend beyond or below the corners of the mouth. Men are expected to be clean shaven; beards are not acceptable. Earrings and other body piercing are not acceptable. Shoes should be worn in all public campus areas.

Women

A clean and well-cared-for appearance should be maintained. Clothing is inappropriate when it is sleeveless, strapless, backless, or revealing; has slits above the knee; or is form fitting. Dresses, skirts, and shorts must be knee length or longer. Hairstyles should be clean and neat, avoiding extremes in styles and colors. Excessive ear piercing (more than two per ear) and all other body piercing are not acceptable. Shoes should be worn in all public campus areas.

 

When strong young priesthood holders see a girl immodestly dressed, most will not want to date her because her standards are not consistent with their eternal perspective. Immodesty in women cheapens their image. It causes embarrassment and loss of respect. It is not likely to win them the hand of a worthy, honorable young man who desires to marry a righteous young woman in the temple. You young ladies may have a hard time buying a modest prom dress. May I suggest that you make your own? You may need some help, but plenty of help is available.