A question for all Armenians.

[phantom]

I agree with LK. What have we Armenians (both Diaspora and native) done to secure the nations of Armenia and Artsakh? Can Armenia defend itself against an attack from Turkey? What if Azerbaijan and Turkey attacked at the same time? Does Armenia have enough defense to inflict enough pain on any attackers to deter an attack? Armenia doesn't need the capability to attack and defeat Turkey. What it needs is enough capability to cause serious pain on anyone that attacks, enough pain that it would deter an attack in the first place. Does Armenia have that? If not, why not? Why aren't Armenian entrepreneurs from all over the world going to Armenia and helping it create a defense industry that makes arms for itself and for sale to other countries? Why are we begging to buy weapons from Serbia and Bulgaria, and picking up the old scraps from Russia? How can Armenia defend when it has no defense industry to speak of?

[ED]

Arpa youre a loser im sorry you just found out.

 

If you want sex go beg youre wife for it or keep it for the sex topic.

 

I can think of many things to talk about but youre obviously not equipped enough to handle them.

 

please do not get personal, and this goes to everyone choose your word cheerfully, direct insults will not be tolerated.

 

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

LK82, hayi vorsov zbagvel@ im gorts@ chi. Yes henc dra jisht hakarakn em anum. Isk cankacats mardu het cankacats tegum khandipem petq ekats jamanak. Handipelu masin xosakcutyun@ sksvec qo es togher@ greluc heto... "im willing to talk in private if your hving a hard time understanding me. I didnt spred anything, and if you think thats spreading, then you havent seen spreading".

 

En vor sksel es girq kardalov u das anelov zbagves, shat lav a. Bayc nayev @nduni vor qo ancneliq janaparh@ shater@ vaguc en ancel. Girq kardal@ inchqan vor anhrajeshtutyun a, nuynqan karevor a nayev kaynqi porc@. Yete poqr inch hamberatar lines, forumum der shat shat ban ktesnes cegaspanutyan u mnacats urish harceri het kapvats. Es forum@ armenian planetic u urish forumneric henc dranov a tarbervum. Mi qish hamberi dranum inqd khamozves.

[Z'areh]

Before you read what I've wrote, please try to view it from an open-mind perspective, thank you.

 

Also, if what you read angers you, or dissapoints you, feel free to voice your opinion and please, do explain why, thank you.

 

 

 

A question to all Armenians

 

Pick one of the scenerios, either A or B.

 

Armenia and Turkey

 

 

 

A ) The republic of Armenia and Turkey have successfully come to an agreement over the Armenian genocide debate. The conditions for their agreement are as follows.

 

1. Turkey will recognize Artsax and the surrounding areas as the land belonging to the republic of Armenia.

 

 

 

2. Turkey must invest money into the economic growth of Armenia, thru investing in banks which concentrate on issuing business loans to individuals and small business.

3. Turkish government will not deny the Armenian community living in Turkey, the right to educate their young on the Armenia and Turkish war, which lead to the tragic deaths of many Armenians, young and old.

4. America will invest into the economic growth of Armenia within the executive branches of government. In return the government will also be in a position to employ more of its citizens.

5. Armenia will be given the opportunity to purchase some lands in question during the Armenian genocide debate. The land allowed to be purchased will be chosen based on economic standards by the Armenian government.

 

(All the above will only work if the leaders of Armenia are motivated to improve Armenia’s condition. They must form an organization within the government in charge of bringing employment into Armenia; their main focus will be law firms, accounting firms, in time a new university drawing in students from neighboring countries, a good soccer team capable of winning world cup, clothing manufacturers, and parts assemblies for automobiles).

 

B ) Armenia and Turkey are still at odds over the dialog used to describe the Armenian genocide. Armenia calls it genocide, while Turkey defends its position by saying it was an act of war, during a time of war, all deaths were causalities of war.

 

The Armenian community is not backing down, and insists that Turkey accept the fact of genocide.

Turkey is stubbornly insisting there has been no such thing as genocide, and promises to deny any acceptance of such a thing.

Armenia and Armenians around the world have not lost hope, every year on April 24th the remembrance is echoed throughout the world wherever an Armenian community exists.

With hopes of seeing a blooming Armenia one day, are we neglecting the opportunity to have one today?

 

 

LK82, there are fundamental problems of logic in your conflict-resolution thesis that simply don't add up.

 

-The issue of Armenian genocide and NK issue are two separate issues, whether Turkey recognizes NK or not is irrelevant, it is up to Azerbaijan to recognize it or come to terms with it.

- Nowhere in "A" you mention Turkey recognizing its crime of the Armenian genocide, but you seem to think that Armenians in Turkey need the right to be "educated" about an issue that they already know about.

-Armenia-Turkish war? tragic deaths ? are you for real? There was no Armenia-Turkish war, because there was no Armenia, but it was, as you know or should know, a government killing its own citizens. Calling it "tragic" renders the Armenian deaths to unintended consequences of war. I didn't think an Armenian needed to be educated in this point, after all that's been said and written.

-As for purchasing lands, it is already covered, and yes it is ridiculous.

 

The most amusing part of your survey is your own editorial comment "All the above will only work if the leaders of Armenia are motivated to improve Armenia’s condition". That comment wrongly suggests;

i) The leaders of Armenia today are not motivated in improving Armenia's condition

ii) Armenia gives up on genocide recognition demand and Armenia's security problems will vanish and Turkey will change its anti-Armenian policies

iii)Armenia needs Turkey to have a good soccer team.

 

So therefore one cannot come to any other conclusion but to regard your A or B theses essentially as being the same.

 

So my dear LK82 go back to the drawing board and come back with more realistic (not to say less bogus) survey.

 

But thanks for trying.

Edited April 9, 2008 by Z'areh

[Ashot]

LK harts@ temayi mech chi, harts@ viravorelu mecha... shat parzoren erevuma vor Yervant@ vorosh qo grvats barer@ jnjela, andzamp indz yete h@gheir nman naxadasutsyunner voronts mech barer linein, anqam ch@tesney et barer@ vor arten poxvela yev poxaren drvela (edit), menq irar het shat mets problemner kunenaynq, sakayn eli heru chi problemnerits vorovhetev im @nkerochnes nman ban asum... Mer bolori stegh asatsn ena vor dirqt dir enpes vor qez hargen, der chem tesnum et harganq@...

 

Nax yev arach yete amen meqs aystegh petqe mer kartsiqner@ haytnenq, petqe haytnenq aynpes vor dimatsinin ch@viravorenq, viravorelu depqum anmijapes zgushatsum petqe trvi, forumi orenqneri mechel mtnuma hetevyal@ - 3 zgushatsumits heto hnaravore vor forumits ban lini tvyal andz@... menq chenq uzum hasnenq en astichani vor mekin ban anen, bayts martiq kan vor iroq stipumen hasni ayt astichanin... nents vor im xntranqs vor du qo chapern imanas vontsvor vor bolor mnatsatsners gitenq mer chap u sahmanner@...

 

Huysovem hima liovin haskanumes vor Arattan asets ari handipenq - chi nshanakum vor petqe handipeinq genocide i teman shoshapelu...

 

Tsankanumem qez bartsr tramadrutsyun yev aveli qich vichabanutsyunner!!!

 

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

banic parzvum a es LK iroq chap@ ancel a.

Yervant, yete kareli a edit arats postern indz PM kanes plz.

 

Hay LK, es hascen gri. 745 N Glendale

 

Edit arats poster@ kardaluc heto kasem yerb khandipenq

[Ashot]

Chem kartsum kariq@ ka Aratta jan, qani vor tghen arten neroghutsyun asela... hima karelia @ntamen@ martavari norits shans tal aveli normal dzevov nerkayatsnelu iran...

[Aratta-Kingdom]

En inch vor Arpain a asel, yete dran nman ban asats lini, iran chance chka. Isk mnacatsi i'll let him fly this time.

[Ashot]

De uremn antsats lini, Aratta jan... indz tvuma vor bolornel iraunq unen yerkrort shansi!!!

[Aratta-Kingdom]

Egats a Ash jan

[LK82]

Z'areh, Thanks for the inspiring approach.

 

I will take your view points into serious consideration while I make time to brain storm on my drawing board.

 

If there are any other points you find worthy of considering, some that I did not mention in the original post, please share them as well.

 

Thank you for your honest response.

 

[DominO123]

Debunking the trap, and warning the voters.

 

Read A and B, don't be mislead by this trick.

 

A is crafted in such a way that as is, no one knowing and understanding the content could fully agree with.

 

Now, option B remains, the way this is crafted and the way this provocator (intentionally or by ignorance) is playing with the words, we're left to option B by default.

 

The inevitable answer to the inevitable result (most voting B ) would be: ''Those Diasporan Armenians identity exist because of their genocide issue, they'd rather hate Turkey and live in the past than refusing such an offer.''

Edited April 9, 2008 by DominO

[DominO123]

-The issue of Armenian genocide and NK issue are two separate issues, whether Turkey recognizes NK or not is irrelevant, it is up to Azerbaijan to recognize it or come to terms with it.

 

I don't think they are extremly separate, Artsakh and Nakhichevan were lost thanks to Ottoman Turkey. One of the few things which make sense in the proposition is the recognition of Artsakh.

 

[LK82]

I continue this conversation, but Its obvious that we have become very sidetracked.

 

Genocide is a hate of crime, among other things. Genocide was done out of hate towards the Armenians, but the dirty Turks had other things in mind as well.

They wanted to rid all who were not Turkish from their Empire; Armenians were the best target, because we and the Greeks were the only non-Muslim ethnicities living in mass numbers in Turkey. Again, anytime any group of people or anyone for that matter kills its hard to say that they do not hate, they do hate, I don’t need a lesson of how hateful Turks are and how hateful they have been towards Armenians. I know this first hand.

 

 

"They acted out of hate". When I told you we don't negotiate the truth, I meant we don't negotiate the facts about the armenian genocide and we refuse to negotiate with those who hate us. you see how you controdic youself. first you play 'geo-political' card, then you controdict yourself by saying 'they acted out of hate'.

 

I’m not contradicting myself, go back and you’ll see that I worded as it is not ONLY a hate crime, and when I mentioned that Turkey brought in Kurds into the villages which Armenians lived and promised then land and money to kill the Armenians and rid them from the villages, this is one of the ways Turkey is trying to deny any Turkish involvement the genocide today.

 

 

 

If genocide is not a hate crime, then why the hell the governments of turkey and azerbaijan destroy everything that is associated with the armenians? they hate the armenains!

 

Because they hate Armenians, they’re afraid of Armenians because they know were freedom fighters, and can cause them damage. The more we push the more they have to push back. They don’t want to negotiate because they know the outcome of negotiations, they will be proven wrong we will be proven right! We will demand our lands back as well as retribution for all the Armenian lives lost in the genocide. Turkey, assuming they humbly acknowledge the international community and do as told, will be left with nothing but a bad rep, and a sore butt.

 

 

 

 

 

Aratta: poor creature. run out of arguments?

 

No, I'm being honest, I can be a creature at times, I’m not lying.

 

 

Aratta: what is your goal?

 

My goal is not just my goal, The goal of every Armenian, to begin the intellectual front against the Turkish propaganda machines, the Azerbaijan threats, the problems we are faced with, unless we are able to find dialogue then we are no where, we are a bunch of people, with a bunch of thoughts, and the only thing we can always agree on is if war breaks out we will go and fight. How about a discussion of all things, If Turkey were to even want to negotiate with Armenia. Since they will be called negotiations this would mean both sides would want to gain something out of it. How much are we willing to give up, and in return for what?

 

 

Aratta: you will never be half of what i am. the nonsense you talk about negotiating with the turks and giving away with their demands goes to show who you really are.

 

Who am I? I know who I am Aratta jan, and my family knows, my friends and cousins know as well. What you think, and the reasons for why you think it, don’t make me less of a person. When I go to sleep tonight I will be the same, and when I awake, I will be the same then too. I wish the same for you.

 

 

Aratta: as you can see, your views are not accepted and they make no sense at all. don't try to reinvent a wheel. your posts are full of contradictions and in most cases you don't make sense at all.

 

I made it clear from the get go, that this topic is open for all sorts of discussion, I thought that I would not get offended, but some of you went out of your way to do so.

Its a discussion, if you feel as though its an unnecessary wheel, please put in a bid to the admin and we can both take our views to him/her and let them decide if this topic should remain or not.

 

 

 

 

 

It must hurt to be taken for a fool. When you run out of arguments, try not to insult otherwise you might be kicked out of the forum.

 

It’s hard only when the reasoning is legit, otherwise it’s just annoying. Being taken as a fool is not something I’m worried about, I’ve dealt with my pride and I know where I stand in life. I just don’t appreciate people who attack others while thinking they’re invisible from being attacked themselves.

 

 

 

You claimed "all countries can be negotiated with if hatred and fear is removed from the equation"...i told you genocide is a crime of hate and you can't negotiate with someone who hates you and- is driven to destroy you.

 

If they hate us, let them hate us, we hate them too, in other words what you’re also saying is that they cant negotiate with us either since we hate them back.

Let them hate us, I have no further comments on this question, I choose to remain silent for the time being out of the recognition that this topic is too sensitive for some on this forum, and I do not wish to hurt or offend anyone anymore then I have since my arrival.

 

 

Turkish hate for the armeians is much more serious than of what those muslim terrorists do. Turkish hate for the armeians is so deep that they even kill a pregnat woman with the baby inside her. You said those who solve problems with hate and fear -and i told you don't associate the turkish hate or the muslim terrorists acts with the name armenians.

 

True you’re right, they do hate Armenians in a different way compared to lets say Muslim extremists hating ....Americans. I stand corrected.

Everything put aside, I’m curious, is it possible, being an Armenian, in dealing with all the pain and suffering the A.G has caused if ever I can resolute any approach which might sound similar to entering a negotiation with turkey (assuming they to will do and feel the same)

 

 

You are not my friend and you can never be my friend. Go look for a friend somwhere else. Genocide is a crime of hate and it has nothing to do with "geo-politics". Don't ever dare to teach people who survived a genocide how to deal with the butcher. Don't ever tell us "If you want a solution to Armenia's problems based on hate and fear", when the enemy still hates us and is not willing to accept his guilt.

 

Every Armenian is my friend whether they know it or not, good or bad, straight or gay, if you’re Armenian then I’m an Armenian friend you want to have. Don’t take it personal I don’t know you, and considering someone as a friend, and living a life of friendship are two different things in my book.

 

The enemy hates us and we hate them, we're surrounded by enemies, how do we build Armenia stronger to defend ourselves? We can become the butcher in negotiations. Then again maybe negotiating in any way shape or form is not the solution, and I’m stupid for thinking that it might help.

Unless you’re just trying to get rid of me, then this discussion will continue with or without you.

 

 

You are blaming the Armenains for daring to stand against the enemy. When you say "Armenia is located in hostile territory; rhetoric that instigates fear and promotes war will lead to more Armenian deaths and a less likely victory"... you say let's agree with the enemy or else!

 

If you want to ask me what I meant by something, why don’t you stop creating the conclusion to what I said in your own mind before asking me what I meant.

Armenia is located in hostile territory: We are located amongst enemies/foes. We live our lives in hoping for the day when we will know what our exact part is in bringing

Armenia to its feet. I’m someone who will go and fight to defend Armenia if war breaks; therefore I have the right to speak about the enemies we are confronted with.

 

Rhetoric that instigates fear and promotes war: I am not against defending Armenia, nor am I pro giving into the will of our opponents. We can have negotiations, and negotiations might fail with either side not agreeing, thus leading to war. Rhetoric form of speaking is a form of persuading the audience to believe or follow that which the speaker is saying.

When you say all Turks hate Armenians and want to kill pregnant Armenian wives, that’s angry rhetoric, because no matter how much I might hate the Turks for the genocide, I know that not all Turks feel this way about Armenians. Hence my comment about stopping the rhetoric and continuing with productive convo.

 

 

Aran papat a.

 

As a person who has lost his mother to an illness, and looks at his father as his personal savior, and is willing to give his life for him at any moment, in a millisecond. I want you to know how hard it is for me too hold myself back, and not come after you when you least expect it. For the sake of your best interest and mine, I’m calling off our meeting, there is no way I can promise you a positive solution to any hantipum we have, and internet-beef is not a reason I would be willing to be in lockup again for.

 

 

Aratta: The counted few who took arms to defend their families are not the same as your muslim terrorist brothers.

 

My Muslim terrorists? What about in the early 80's when a group of Armenians known as ASALA were blowing up Turkish diplomats, as well as innocent by-standards.

I’m not saying I don’t understand why they were, I myself have the thought of it sometimes doing something similar. We all have the choice to figure out ways that will either help the Armenians cause, or do harm to it.

 

 

Aratta: We are getting recognition because of people like me. The kind like you who try to convince the armenians to negotiate the truth must never teach my kind how to do their job.

 

I’m in no way saying we should negotiate the truth. Please try to understand what I am saying, or don’t, its your call, after a few more posts I will discontinue my will to continue this conversation on this forum.

 

 

I record the facts. You talk nonsense.

 

You don’t record facts, you quote them. Second think what you want, I could care less.

 

 

 

Talking is cheap. I'm from Glendale. PM me say where and when we can meet so you can show me what spreading is.

 

It doesn’t matter where you are from, I’m also from Glendale, and if you ever get in my face ill show you who I really am then.

Internet beef is cheap, I said private message me so I can better explain to you, not so I can meet you and fight you.

 

 

 

You'll get a chance to find out after we meet.

 

You’re threats have put you in an awkward situation which you probably never imagined you would be.

If we ever do meet, they will be on my terms, not yours. Keep your threats to yourself you’re not scaring me.

 

P.S Its funny how you’ve already amounted to personal threats on an online forum.

 

 

 

 

tellins is nothing. why don't you make me?

 

Because I don’t want to make you cry, I don’t want to make anyone cry, I want to make people happy, and smile, and glad to be an Armenian. I would cry if I knew it would bring happiness to my country, unfortunately the only happiness it would bring is to people who think like you. Therefore I don’t cry in life, or at least I try not to.

 

Edited April 10, 2008 by LK82

[Takoush]

Takoush: Most Armenians have pride, and honor their nationality. This isnt the topic where you should respond with I will die If I have too! this is the topic where we talk as Armenians to try to find solutions.

 

Thank you for your time.

Read my post again. I didn't say we should die point blank. I simply didn't agree with most of your solutions because they didn't and wouldn't make sense with our cause nor with our standing with those degenerate turkish mentalities and their made up country. It just wouldn't work.

 

I said that when the ripe time comes, we will get our way and the solution of all our good cause and our anscestral lands, with either our intellect or our fists.

 

Your supposedly made up solutions are futile for the good of our cause.

 

 

Edited April 10, 2008 by Takoush

[Takoush]

Debunking the trap, and warning the voters.

 

Read A and B, don't be mislead by this trick.

 

A is crafted in such a way that as is, no one knowing and understanding the content could fully agree with.

 

Now, option B remains, the way this is crafted and the way this provocator (intentionally or by ignorance) is playing with the words, we're left to option B by default.

 

The inevitable answer to the inevitable result (most voting B ) would be: ''Those Diasporan Armenians identity exist because of their genocide issue, they'd rather hate Turkey and live in the past than refusing such an offer.''

 

Yes, I also thought that neither is actually right to vote; because even B is represented like black and white. Our identity does not exist solely with our genocide issue. We exist because we are Armenians, culturally, nationality and in every which way. Living in the diaspora for us it means that we have to coexist as Armenians though we live outside of the RA and we are continuously fighting not to assimilate on foreign lands; until hopefully at least some of us will return to RA someday. As far as living in the past, yes we will continue our fight for our good cause until our just cause and lands are satisfied completely and of course only for our behalf.

 

 

Edited April 10, 2008 by Takoush

[Z'areh]

I don't think they are extremly separate, Artsakh and Nakhichevan were lost thanks to Ottoman Turkey. One of the few things which make sense in the proposition is the recognition of Artsakh.

 

The subject was Turkey-Armenia and what is called "a successful agreement on the Genocide debate", Artsakh primarily is an Armenian-Azeri issue and I find it amusing that it is suggested that Turkey would befriend the Armenians at the expense of Azerbaijan. That is not realistic, to say the least. I find this whole thing so convoluted that I can only consider LK82's musings as nothing but late-night pastime.

 

The proposition of Turkey recognizing NKR would mean Turkey breaking relations with Azerbaijan, Turkish recognition can happen only if Azerbaijan first recognizes NK, either by total military defeat or international recognition of NK people's self determination leading to independence, which in turn renders Turkey's opinion about NKR irrelevant, and a non-issue in any genocide debate between Turks and Armenians. We are somehow forgetting that today Artsakh does not belong to Turkey to "allow" it to go to the Armenians, it is already ours and there is no Turkish concession on this subject to talk about.

 

 

dog chasing its own tail...

[LK82]

Read my post again. I didn't say we should die point blank. I simply didn't agree with most of your solutions because they didn't and wouldn't make sense with our cause nor with our standing with those degenerate turkish mentalities and their made up country. It just wouldn't work.

 

I said that when the ripe time comes, we will get our way and the solution of all our good cause and our anscestral lands, with either our intellect or our fists.

 

Your supposedly made up solutions are futile for the good of our cause.

 

 

They are not solutions, they were the topic starter. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand?

 

They have faults, and I left alot of information out, either because I dont know it, or wasnt able to do enough research on it.

 

 

My supposed made up solutions? It wouldnt work I understand that, Ive come to agree with that as well. Theyre wrong, and bringing the topic up with the lack of information, and leaving people to assume that Im trying to be a sell out was a mistake on my behalf. I agree.

 

I'm not making anything, all I was trying to do was open up a friendl convo about it, and thinking some people might add more information to it which would be a better product at the end.

 

Whats with all the hate, hate on someone who deserves it.

Edited April 10, 2008 by LK82

[Takoush]

They are not solutions, they were the topic starter. Why is that so hard for everyone to understand?

 

They have faults, and I left alot of information out, either because I dont know it, or wasnt able to do enough research on it.

 

 

My supposed made up solutions? It wouldnt work I understand that, Ive come to agree with that as well. Theyre wrong, and bringing the topic up with the lack of information, and leaving people to assume that Im trying to be a sell out was a mistake on my behalf. I agree.

 

I'm not making anything, all I was trying to do was open up a friendl convo about it, and thinking some people might add more information to it which would be a better product at the end.

 

Whats with all the hate, hate on someone who deserves it.

 

You're wrong. I don't hate you. Others can speak for themselves; but I don't hate you. It is true that you have been misunderstood as it was your own doing. Also because others came in here with Bolsahay backgrounds some of them, who spoke only for on behalf of turkey and Turkishness and forgetting or not wanting to consider our just cause. And since you started printing solutions like talks about the turks not recognizing our Artsaxian lands that a good portion of it was ours and it wasn't even Azerbaijan only 100 years ago as the murderer Stalin simply decided to give it to the Azeris. It was never Azeri or Turkish lands to begin with. Then you also said something like buying back our own lands (the Armenian Plateau). That portion of the lands was ours for 4,000 years if not much more. The bloody Mongolian turks only came to our country and lands with their freaking swords only after the 12th century and they sat on it after barbarically and continuously massacring us.

 

Mainly those issues are so sensitive subjects and soar points in our hearts already and opening up very soar subjects to us Armenians is a very fragile subject matter. When you haven't done your homework, you have no place to just talk about it haphazardly and calously thinking that we will be open to discuss it with you when you didn't even do your homework well enough or gave it a good amount of time and thought to discuss about such sensitive subject matters with us.

 

 

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

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Edited April 10, 2008 by Aratta-Kingdom

[Aratta-Kingdom]

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Edited April 10, 2008 by Aratta-Kingdom

[Aratta-Kingdom]

I made it clear from the get go, that this topic is open for all sorts of discussion, I thought that I would not get offended, but some of you went out of your way to do so.

Its a discussion, if you feel as though its an unnecessary wheel, please put in a bid to the admin and we can both take our views to him/her and let them decide if this topic should remain or not.

 

What a shamless hypocrate you are Man, I don't belive you. After insulting the forum members, you now take a role of a victim? WOW

 

 

 

To put an end to this nonsens, I'm gonna ask all the members to vote you out of the forum.

 

 

 

Those who want LK82 banned from the forum- say YES---those who oppose, say NO

 

 

 

 

my vote is YES

 

 

 

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[LK82]

This thread was created a while back with the idea in mind that, if there were negotiations, what would you want. Was it a good response, now that I look back on it, no it wasn’t, it has many flaws, and there are many things that don’t detail my thoughts.

 

But the fact that people here are acting out of paranoia towards me because there have been some other questionable people who come to this site looking to kill the Armenian spirit, doesn’t justify their reaction either.

I can also question their dedication to Armenians in general when they allow some outsiders to influence how they treat other Armenians.

 

Either way, Im not one of those people, and I clarified that several times, those who continue with their assaults should note that they’re not so great themselves, and we all make mistakes. The one I made didn’t hurt anyone, didn’t make anyone bleed, or anything of the sort.

Whatever I did, I did to myself, and others saw it.

 

The irony of this whole thing is how I feel as though I need to prove to some of you that Im not a sell out, and that Im as proud about who I am as the proudest person in this site.

 

 

 

[MosJan]

LK jan Axpers inch negotiations ?? inchn enq negotiat anum ??

 

negotiations - yerb mek@ uni inchvor mi ban poxanakelu ? ha ? menq stanaliq unenq yev dimats@ vochinch chenq talis yev chenq talu - Axper jan menq negotiation chenq anum menq PAhanjum enq !!!

[LK82]

MosJan, eli uzenk oo pahanchenk, chemel asum vor pahanchelu chunenk lika unenk.

 

Es teman lriv ira maste kortsrela oo darela lriv mi urish ban.