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[MosJan]

Top Twenty Tall Turkish Tales

[ 2009/03/27 | 19:16 ]

HETQ important society

By Lucine Kasbarian

 

1.That Turks, who turned up in Anatolia from Central Asia thousands of years after the ancient Hittite, Urartian, Armenian, Assyrian, Greek, Roman, and Byzantine structures in present-day Turkey were constructed, are somehow responsible for having built them.

 

2. That Turks and Armenians lived in peace, brotherhood, and equality ever since the Seljuk Turkish invasions, and that the Ottoman Empire was a model of tolerance towards its subject peoples.

 

3. That the Ottoman massacres of hundreds of thousands of Armenian civilians in 1894-1897 and 1909 were simply examples of Turkish self defense.

 

4. That there was no Armenian Genocide. The deaths were just an unfortunate consequence of civil war or wartime conditions. But if there was a genocide, it was Armenians who committed it.

 

5. That US Ambassador Morgenthau, American and European diplomats, missionaries and others who witnessed and wrote about the Genocide were not credible since they disliked Turks. Even German eyewitnesses (allies of Turkey in World War I) were not credible since they disliked Turks too.

 

6. That the hundreds of historians and genocide experts who confirm that there was an Armenian Genocide have all been duped by Armenians.

 

7. That those peoples who “revolted” against the Ottomans or Turkey deserved whatever the Turks did to them because all such revolts were unjustified. (The Young Turks’ revolt against the Ottoman Sultan in 1908, on the other hand, was entirely justified.)

 

8. That the Armenian death toll was “only 600,000,” not 1.5 million, hence the deaths could not be considered a genocide.

 

9. That due to wartime necessity, the “deportations” were limited to Armenians from the eastern part of the Ottoman Empire (even though, in fact, Armenians from all parts of the Empire were “deported”).

 

10. That the Ottoman Turkish archives are fully open, haven’t been tampered with, and prove that Turkey did not commit the Armenian Genocide.

 

11. That the Genocide survivors and their descendants seek recognition, reparations, restitution, restoration, and return of their so-called historic homeland out of delusion and greed.

 

12. That the enormous amount of territory allocated to Turkey in the 1920 Treaty of Sèvres was somehow inadequate.

 

13. That teaching and talking about the Armenian Genocide is a form of hate speech.

 

14. That Turkey and Armenia would be “reconciled” by now were it not for the malevolent Armenian Diaspora which, instead of acting in Armenia’s best interests, vilifies Turkey with baseless allegations. (Naturally, Turkey acts only in Armenia’s best interests.)

 

15. That Turkey’s proposal to hold a joint historical commission on 1915 — which would include denialist historians — is not a delaying tactic, but is sincere and would arrive at a truthful verdict.

 

16. That the Nagorno-Karabagh Republic (NKR) is not historically Armenian; that it was the Armenians in Karabagh who initiated pogroms against Azeris; and that NKR is not entitled to self-determination.

 

17. That Turkey is qualified to be a member of the European Union and should have been admitted years ago (even if it violates the human rights of its population, stifles free speech, and condones torture).

 

18. That Turkey is a loyal NATO ally (even if it threatens the United States and Europe and rejects US requests for military cooperation).

 

19. That if the Genocide resolution passes in the US Congress, Turkey will severely punish the United States.

 

20. That Turkey’s efforts to penetrate the Caucasus and Central Asia are not attempts to fulfill a longstanding ambition to create a Pan-Turkic empire.

 

Lucine Kasbarian is an Armenian-American writer.

 

http://hetq.am/en/society/lucine-kasbarian/

 

[Arpa]

Apris MosJan. Yes arden tesel eyi ayd gir@, bayts chgiteyi ortegh zetegehel.

Shat teghin e.

Ayd shunshanordine@ arzhani chen lourj pataskhani. Ayl miayn tsaghranqi, manavand yerb asen the tourkaqaqastan@ yev azerqaqaqstan@ yerkirner en.

Edited March 30, 2009 by Arpa

[Arpa]

LIARS’ CLUB

LIARS and SONS of LIARS.

Anyone looking for a business venture? Open a “comedy club” and name it “ äzifurk” or “furkazi“.

Good News, Bad News!

First the good.

Our nation is growing in leaps and bounds every minute of the day.

The bad.

It is being augmented by IDIOTS.

Liars and Sons of liars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heydar_Aliyev

Early life

Aliyev obscured much of his early life, and details remain uncertain. He claimed to have been born into a kurdish working-class family in the Nakhchivan ASSR (today the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic) of the Azerbaijan SSR, though doubt exists over his date of birth. After graduating from Nakhchivan Pedagogical School, he attended the Azerbaijan Industrial Institute (now the Azerbaijan State Oil Academy) where he studied architecture 1939-1941. He studied 1949-1950 at the USSR MGB Officers' Corps Qualifications-Raising School. He also claimed to have studied at the Baku State University, graduating with a degree in history 1957. It seems, however, that he actually attended the Ministry of State Security Academy in …

First we saw how that above idiot was actually born in what is now Armenia, and that he lied about his ethnic origin and his date of birth to dodge the draft during WWII

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18534&hl=tanahat

Then we saw how the vilest insult is to be called “ërmeni”

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18980&hl=ermeni

And now this tour de force/farce.

Yeah Right! A person with a surname of “mammadova” is an “ërmeni”!

ARMENIAN PSYCHIC ARRESTED IN AZERBAIJAN'S SUMGAYIT CITY

 

APA

http://en.apa.az/news.php?id=99479

March 30 2009

Azerbaijan

 

Baku. Hafiz Heydarov-APA. Armenian psychic, who promised to cure

the ill boy and swindled a great amount of money from his parents,

was arrested in Azerbaijan's Sumgayit City.

 

Raya Vanya Mammadova, 48, is accused under article 178 (swindle)

of the Criminal Code, Sumgayit City Police Office told APA.

 

Raya Mammadova introduced herself as a psychic and treated Eltac

Elman Osmanli, 19, resident of Sumgayit. She has received 5500 AZN

from his parents since starting the treatment. Seeing that health

of their child is not normalized despite one-year treatment, the

parents complained to police. Raya Mammadova was detained as a result

of operational measures and brought to the justice. A criminal case

was launched against her under article 178 (swindle) of the Criminal

Code and investigation is going on.

 

Raya Mammadova is reportedly an Armenian national, residing in Baku.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Arpa]

We all know who and what Aralez/Haralez is. What is “voralez”? For those of us, it means a** licker.

As we speak the hillary-ty continues at the istanbul comedy club.

Did anyone else see Pres. Obama’s speech at the “parlamint” in “an--kara-black kaga”?

What was he smoking when he used words like “civilization”, “tolerance” and “secular islam” when he also invoked the fact that many American families have muslim members including his own. The next religious invocation in Washington DC will at the grand mosque with a furkish imam as the featured preacher. Will open the invocation with “ällah ou ekber“. It is “äkbar” but the furks pronounce it as “ëkber”. Do they even know that “äkbar” means (comparatively) “greater” as the root word is “kabir/kibar(plural)”. Barev Baron/Oriord/Tikin Kibarian Which, somehow, in the armeno-furkish ended up to mean “presentable/handsome/վայելուչ”.

See what Armen Ayvazian says here;

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=20...mp;#entry257582

Պատկերացրեք կացությունը Հայաստանում… մահմեդական «հայեր»՝ իրենց մզկիթներով: Չէ՞ որ դա միանգամայն հնարավոր է: Եթե հաշվի առնենք, թե որքան հայեր են ներկայումս դարձել այս կամ այն աղանդի հետեւորդ, ապա չի կարելի բացառել նաեւ այն հավանականությունը, որ այստեղի հայերը կընկնեն իսլամական գաղափարների ազդեցության տակ:

Ի՞նչ կստանանք ի վերջո: Այն պայմաններում, երբ Հայաստանը, մեղմ ասած, դեռեւս ուժեղ չէ, մենք ուզում ենք այստեղ արմատավորել բոլոր առումներով թշնամական երկու պետությունների՝ Թուրքիայի եւ Ադրբեջանի կրոնը: Եթե Հայաստան լցվեն մահմեդական «հայեր», ապա կստանան այստեղ իրենց մզկիթները կառուցելու իրավունք: Ո՞ւմ են ենթարկվելու այդ մզկիթները, որտե՞ղ է լինելու նրանց հոգեւոր կենտրոնը: Ինչ է, Անկարայո՞ւմ: Չէ՞ որ չի կարելի մոռանալ, որ հոգեւոր իշխանությունը միշտ եւ ամենուր կախված է քաղաքական իշխանությունից: Կարելի է վկայակոչել նաեւ միջազգային փորձը. բոսնիացի մահմեդականները նախկինում քրիստոնյա սերբեր էին, իսկ մահմեդականացումից հետո դարձան սերբերի ոխերիմ թշնամիներն ու թուրքերի հավատարիմ դաշնակիցները…

-Իսկ եթե այդ նույն «հայերը» ցանկանան քրիստոնեություն ընդունե՞լ:….

If I only could learn how to smoke this…

http://hcrs.calpoly.edu/Brown/VegID/okra.htm

I did not see his entire speech. Did he even come close to reciting the “A” word, or, Aramazt mi arastse the “G “ word? Of course he also mentioned that furkey is a staunch ally and a key negotiator between israel and its neighbors. WHO THE HELL CARES!!?? If they all go to h*ll! When those moslem "virgins" raise they skirts to cover their hair. Which hair . AMOTOUK .

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...,0,529116.story

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wo...,0,529116.story

]From the Los Angeles Times

In Turkey, Obama avoids the word 'genocide'

Last year he described the deaths of up to 1.5 million ethnic Armenians before and during World War I as genocide, but today he emphasizes increasingly cordial contacts between the two nations.By Christi Parsons and Laura King

Los Angeles Times Staff Writers

 

5:30 AM PDT, April 6, 2009

 

Reporting from Ankara and Istanbul — President Barack Obama, steering a delicate course on an explosive issue here, said today that his views on the mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks early in the last century had not changed, but avoided using the word "genocide" in front of his Turkish hosts.

 

At a joint news conference with President Abdullah Gul, Obama -- who in 2008 explicitly described the deaths of up to 1.5 million ethnic Armenians before and during World War I as genocide -- sought instead to place the emphasis on increasingly cordial contacts between Turkey and Armenia, and on hopes for a breakthrough "very soon" in bilateral ties.

 

"If they can move forward and deal with a difficult and tragic history, I think the whole world will encourage them," Obama said.

 

Gul, who last year became the first modern Turkish leader to visit Armenia, emphasized that Turkey was willing to open its archives to historians investigating the subject and allow a joint commission to draw conclusions.

 

"It is not a political but an historic issue," he said. "That's why we should let historians discuss the matter."

 

On his first visit as president to a predominantly Muslim country, Obama said he would try to forge a "model partnership" with Turkey that could serve as a template for the West's relationship with the Islamic world.

 

That declaration drew swift and approving reaction from Turkish analysts, who said the new U.S. leader showed every sign of willingness to repair relations with Muslim countries, which were badly tattered during the Bush administration.

 

"We can say that U.S. policy has changed," Hasan Koni of Bahcesehir University told Sky Turk television. "In the Bush era, it was as if, 'If you clash with the U.S., you are fundamentalists, radical Islamists.' Now, it seems they have moved away from this."

 

Obama said the inclusion of NATO ally Turkey in a swing through Europe reflected his desire to "make a statement … about the importance of Turkey not only to the United States, but the world."

 

He stressed that Turkey's views on the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan would receive close attention. Many Turks felt their strong opposition to the Iraq war was brushed aside, and that sense of being ignored caused a distinct chill in relations with Washington.

 

Earlier today, the president attended a wreath-laying ceremony at the tomb of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, Turkey's revered founding father. "I'm honored to pay tribute to his name," Obama said.

 

Writing in the guestbook at the tomb complex, he praised Ataturk's "vision of Turkey as a modern and prosperous democracy."

 

Obama was holding separate talks with Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and with opposition political leaders, before addressing Parliament.

 

cparsons@tribune.com

 

laura.king@latimes.com

Edited April 6, 2009 by Arpa

[Arpa]

In both countries, the pig/swine is a cursed unclean animal.

I don’t know the hebrew word for it. In the Arabic it is “khanzeer” . The furks used “khnzr” to insult one another, while the Armenians used “läkot” for boys and “khzak/khozak/khozik/piggy” for their girls.

Hi Miss piggy!

http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/miss-piggy1.jpg

Is this another version of “Montezuma’s Revenge“? :goof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traveler's_diarrhea

This is hilarious.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090429/ap_on_...egypt_swine_flu

Egypt orders slaughter of all pigs over swine flu

By MAAMOUN YOUSSEF, Associated Press Writer Maamoun Youssef, Associated Press Writer Wed Apr 29, 9:18 am ET

CAIRO – Egypt began slaughtering the roughly 300,000 pigs in the country Wednesday as a precautionary measure against the spread of swine flu even though no cases have been reported here yet, the Health Ministry said.

The move immediately provoked resistance from pig farmers. At one large pig farming center just north of Cairo, farmers refused to cooperate with Health Ministry workers who came to slaughter the animals and the workers left without carrying out the government order.

"It has been decided to immediately start slaughtering all the pigs in Egypt using the full capacity of the country's slaughterhouses," Health Minister Hatem el-Gabaly told reporters after a Cabinet meeting with President Hosni Mubarak.

Egypt's overwhelmingly Muslim population does not eat pork due to religious restrictions. But the animals are raised and consumed by the Christian minority, which some estimates put at 10 percent of the population.

Health Ministry spokesman Abdel Rahman estimated there were between 300,000-350,000 pigs in Egypt.

Agriculture Minister Amin Abaza told reporters that farmers would be allowed to sell the pork meat so there would be no need for compensation.

In 2008, following fears over diseases spread by animals, Mubarak ordered all pig and chicken farms moved out of population areas. But the order was never implemented.

Pigs can be found in many places around Muslim world, often raised by religious minorities who can eat pork. But they are banned entirely in some Muslim countries including Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Libya.

In Jordan, the government decided Wednesday to shut down the country's five pig farms, involving 800 animals, for violating public health safety regulations.

This is even more hilarious.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-fl...virus-name.html

Ironically, in Germany the term “schwein”was primarily reserved to certain people.

‘Swine flu’ name won’t be changed in Israel

By Marc Brodsky · April 29, 2009

NEW YORK (JTA) -- The swine flu will not take any new names in Israel despite the unease of a health official from a fervently religious party.

Deputy health minister Yakov Litzman, a member of United Torah Judaism, said earlier this week that the name "swine flu" should not be used as it contains the name of the unkosher animal. Litzman suggested that authorities call the virus sweeping the globe "Mexican flu."

But Mexico's ambassador to Israel, Frederico Salas, and the Jewish state's envoy to Mexico, Yosef Livne, both lodged official complaints Tuesday to the Israeli Foreign Ministry protesting the term.

A Foreign Ministry official told the French news agency AFP that Salas "was offended" by the term "Mexican flu."

"Israel has no intention of giving the flu any new names," the official said. "It was nothing more than a slip of the tongue."

Two Israelis who recently returned from Mexico have contracted swine flu in the first such cases in the Middle East. Several other cases are suspected, including the 5-year-old niece of one of the confirmed cases.

Edited April 29, 2009 by Arpa

[MosJan]

hey could have shown him Justine MacCarthy’s book

 

 

 

TURKISH OPPOSITION ACCUSES PRIME MINISTER OF TREACHEROUS ATTITUDE TO AZERBAIJAN

• http://www.armtown.com/img/photo/pan_en_31111.jpgEven if the Turkish President and Prime Minister could not explain the Armenian-Turkish Issue to President Obama, they could have shown him Justine MacCarthy’s book, Deniz Baykal , leader of the Turkish Republican People's Party, said. According to Turkish pro-oppositional party leader, Obama used an Armenian term, without mentioning anything about the other party. “There were many Turks who died during World War I. The ‘route map’ elaborated by Armenia and Turkey did not in any way normalize Armenian-Turkish ties but it did harm Turkish-Azerbaijani relations. Turkey has to realize Azerbaijan’s concerns. It’s Azerbaijan’s friendly ties with Turkey rather than its ruling party that will be eternal. We broke friendly ties with Azerbaijan but didn’t get any of NATO’s promises fulfilled,” Turkish mass media report, quoting Mr. Baykal. American writer and scenarist Justine MacCathy wrote the book “Anatolia 1915”, in which he negates the fact of the Armenian Genocide.

[DominO123]

WHEN WILL BAKU START SEARCHING FOR "ARMENIAN TRACE" IN ALLEGED TERRORIST ACT IN MOSCOW?

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/

13.05.2009 22:06 GMT+04:00

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ On the day of the Eurovision contest's first

semfinal, FSB agents managed to avert a terrorist act plotted

by unknown gunmen. Not far from "Olympic" sport complex, security

officials found a polyethelene package containing 6 bullets (calibre:

9 mm). The incident occurred a few hours before the start of the

contest. The singers were to make their entrance at 23:00p.m. Moscow

time, while the ammunition was found at 19:30 p.m.

 

It's noteworthy, that a few days before the concert, Day.az predicted

such developments, announcing that no terrorist act could be allowed

during Eurovision 2009 contest. According to the Azerbaijani news site,

"the Armenians who launched terrorist act in Moscow can now anticipate

deteroriation in speedily developing Russian-Turkish ties".

 

Similarly, the Azeri press found "Armenian trace" in the gunshot of

students in Baku Oil Academy. Particularly, Bakililar.az disseminated

information that "Georgian law enforcement agencies and special

services identified the Armenian who aided Farda Gadirov in plotting

the conspiracy. Law enforces are now undertaking measures to arrest

the conspirator. In that connection, Azerbaijani Interior Ministry

has set up a special group in Georgia.

 

As reported by Paata Zakareishvili, such accusation against Armenians

is so absurd that no one pays attention to it in Georgia. "There's

no Azerbaijani investigative group in the country. These are false

stories ivented by the Azeri press," Mr. Zakareishvili stressed,

adding that no one in Georgia was going to comment on such obvious lie.

 

[AK-47]

WHEN WILL BAKU START SEARCHING FOR "ARMENIAN TRACE" IN ALLEGED TERRORIST ACT IN MOSCOW?

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/

13.05.2009 22:06 GMT+04:00

If an earthquake hits Azerbaijan in the future, we'll probably be blamed for that too .

 

The strategy is clear; deceit the public with the most gross and outrageous lies ever. Keep repeating this over and over again and know that Armenia will not do anything to respond to these, even if they are silly.

[MosJan]

 

Whats wrong w/ this recipe ??

 

classic azeri pork khorovats ?? ??

 

 

Meat Course Karabakh Khorovats

(Skewered Pork with Pomegranate Syrup) Karabakh Khorovats (Skewered Pork with Pomegranate Syrup) is a traditional Azerbaijani recipe

for a classic dish of diced pork marinated in herbed pomegranate syrup that's grilled or barbecued and served with a tomato, pomegranate syrup and spring onion garnish. The full recipe is presented here and I hope you enjoy this classic Azerbaijani version of: Skewered Pork with Pomegranate Syrup (Karabakh Khorovats).

 

 

 

 

Ingredients:

900g lean, boned, loin of pork cut into 3cm dice

1 tbsp dried oregano, crumbled

1 large onion, finely grated

1 tbsp olive oil

2 tbsp pomegranate syrup

2 tsp salt

freshly-ground black pepper

 

To Garnish:

2 tomatoes, quartered

pomegranate syrup, poured into a bowl

8 spring onions, trimmed and shredded

 

 

 

 

 

 

Method:

Combine the oregano, onion, olive oil, pomegranate syrup salt and freshly-ground black pepper, to taste, in a large bowl and mix to combine thoroughly. Add the pork and toss to coat evenly. Cover with a cloth and set aside to marinate at room temperature for at least 3 hours, mixing every half hour or so. In the meantime soak your wooden skewers in a large bowl of water.

 

Light your barbecue and wait until the charcoal develops a coating of white ash. At this point it is ready to cook with. Thread the pork cubes onto the skewers and cook on your pre-heated barbecue (you can also grill [broil] them), turning frequently, for about 20 minutes or until the pork is well browned on each side and cooked through.

 

Slide the cooked pork cubes onto a warmed serving plate, garnish with the tomatoes and shredded spring onions and accompany with a bowl of pomegranate syrup.

 

 

 

 

 

[DominO123]

Whats wrong w/ this recipe ??

 

classic azeri pork khorovats ?? ??

 

Idiots probably checked where Karabakh was, as good old Brits..., and assumed its Azeri.

[Arpa]

azie buffet

http://snap.lbl.gov/2008_SNAPCollab_FNAL/pigroast1_789l.gif

Movses, where did you see that recipe, who has written it?

It would have been funny were it not ridiculous. Mithe apoushutyun@ chap ou sahman ouni?

Does not this clown know that azzies are Muslim and not only they are not allowed to eat pork, they’re not even supposed to be in the company of a pig.

Oink, oink!!

http://www.pigs4ever.com/PotBellyPigPictures/Misc/sharon.htm

Edited May 16, 2009 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

Progress between Armenian and Turkish relations?

 

 

 

 

 

ERDOGAN THREATENS TO EXILE 40 THOUSAND ARMENIANS FROM TURKEY

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/

16.05.2009 14:47 GMT+04:00

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ 40 thousand Armenians live in Turkey at present,

Turkish Prime Minister said.

 

"They came to our country because they had difficulties in Armenia. If

necessary, we will exile them, but I think it will be inhuman,"

Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in Warsaw.

 

He also said that regional problems affect Turkish-Armenian

relations. "There are problems between Azerbaijan and Armenia and we

can't neglect these," he said, Milliyet reported.

 

 

 

[Arpa]

Progress between Armenian and Turkish relations?

ERDOGAN THREATENS TO EXILE 40 THOUSAND ARMENIANS FROM TURKEY

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/

16.05.2009 14:47 GMT+04:00

http://www.bendib.com/newones/2003/october...urkey-Shoot.jpg

Yes, of course! How about 100 million furks be exiled to wherever the hell they came from?

Edited May 16, 2009 by Arpa

[DominO123]

Good idea, the Diaspora should start a fund to exile them in Artsakh..., what a nice opportunity.

 

Progress between Armenian and Turkish relations?

 

 

 

 

 

ERDOGAN THREATENS TO EXILE 40 THOUSAND ARMENIANS FROM TURKEY

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/

16.05.2009 14:47 GMT+04:00

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ 40 thousand Armenians live in Turkey at present,

Turkish Prime Minister said.

 

"They came to our country because they had difficulties in Armenia. If

necessary, we will exile them, but I think it will be inhuman,"

Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in Warsaw.

 

He also said that regional problems affect Turkish-Armenian

relations. "There are problems between Azerbaijan and Armenia and we

can't neglect these," he said, Milliyet reported.

 

[Arpa]

I was torn between whether to post this here or under Border Crossings.

You be the judge. Any way you look , this whole thing is “for the birds”. (Gobble-gobble, We need an emoticon in the shape of that ugly bird). What birds are they talking about? The Armenian Kroonk and Aragil or the furkish vulture? Not to forget that comedy that stone quaries in Armenia are causing the crumbling and destruction of ANI. http://www.anca.org/action_alerts/action_docs.php?docsid=35

Hurriyet, Turkey

May 16 2009

Bird sanctuary as price for peace?

KARS - As debate continues about opening the border between Turkey and

Armenia, which would be a great step toward normalizing relations

between the two countries, scientists are concerned about the area's

untouched wildlife. Increased traffic across the border opening may

bring more danger for this major migratory bird habitat and its

globally endangered bird species

With the final scoops of earth shoveled away, the last ties are

severed between a lake island and the mainland, breaking new ground

in the struggle to protect wildlife along the border between Turkey

and Armenia.

The group of men and women gathered here are members of the Kuzey

DoÄ?a Society, a non-governmental organization that has been

working to preserve habitats of birds living on Kuyucuk Lake in

northeastern Kars province near the border. As political negotiations

continue on the reopening of the border, experts agree many steps

remain before the area's wildlife is protected from the anticipated

increase in border traffic.

"Today, it sounds like Turkey is backing away from the Armenian

border, which is unfortunate from a peace-movement perspective, but

from our selfish Kuyucuk perspective, it might help us," said Sean

Anderson, a restoration ecologist and an assistant professor at the

California State University at Channel Islands who has been coming to

the area twice a year for the past three years to work on the Kuyucuk

Project. "It might give us a few more years to put things in order

before the road is heavily traveled, so that would be good."

Dr. Ã?aÄ?an Å?ekercioÄ?lu, a senior research

scientist at Stanford University's Center for Conservation Biology,

and the president of Kuzey Doga, agrees. "The opening of the border is

a political decision," he said. "However, as nature conservationists,

we are trying to save the [Kuyucuk] lake as much as possible before

the border opens."

Å?ekercioÄ?lu explained that an old dirt road used to run

from the town of Akyaka on the Armenian border to the area that was

recently turned into an island.

"It used to disturb the ecology of the lake by running through it," he

said.

"We took away 50 meters from each side of the road to create the

island," which is intended as a safe haven for birds.

The project is a collaboration between Kuzey DoÄ?a, the Kars

Governor's Office, the Kars Environment and Forestry Municipal

Directorate, the Kars Special Provincial Administration and the people

of Kuyucuk village. Biologist Emrah Ã?oban, the science

coordinator for Kuzey DoÄ?a, said the organization has received

a lot of help and support from Kars Governor Mehmet Ufuk Erden. "Erden

prefers to work with experts. He is very idealistic," said

Ã?oban.

Overgrazing disturbs bird

The new island sanctuary will protect rare birds in the region,

Å?ekercioÄ?lu said. "For example, there are nine or 10

white-headed ducks in Kuyucuk. They belong to an endangered species;

their numbers are few in the world," he said.

 

"They live in smaller, marshy places. The fact that it is an island

means it is a place where birds can grow and take shelter."

The idea for the island has been discussed for more than a year, said

Anderson, who calls it "the first actual ecological restoration in

eastern Turkey." According to Anderson, there was "massive

overgrazing" in the area that the affected bird habitat. "The north

part was cut off from the main lake, making it easy for it to go

stagnant," he said.

"Making it into an island improves the water quality of the lake." The

island location will also keep predators away from the birds' eggs,

Anderson said: "It is unlikely a fox or a cat would swim to the

island."

Growing traffic problem

The dirt road that ran to Akyaka through Kuyucuk was replaced some

time ago with a larger asphalt highway that still cuts Kuyucuk Lake

into two. The presence of this asphalt road, Å?ekercioÄ?lu

says, threatens the rare migratory birds that stop off at the lake in

certain seasons, as well as the birds that have chosen it as their

year-round home.

"The traffic will increase with the opening of the border,"

Å?ekercioÄ?lu said. "Cars crash into birds; gasoline or

motor oil that leaks from cars flows into the lake with the first

rain. This becomes a bigger problem when there are more cars."

In a survey about road kill that he conducted in the United States,

Anderson found that in areas with moderate traffic, collisions with

cars were the No. 1 cause of death for wildlife. Traffic also impacts

the environment negatively by creating pollution. "Every time you

brake, some copper is released from your brakes to the road," Anderson

said.

"The first rain rinses that into the lake. And the nitrogen oxide from

exhaust gas acts like nitrogen fertilizer, causing weeds to grow near

the road."

The American scientist said, "If we manage it right, more traffic

brings the opportunity to educate more people, but if it is not done

right, it will mean more plastic bags and more ripped truck tires left

alongside the road."

On the positive side, Anderson said, the Kuyucuk locals are not

interested in hunting birds Ä? but the new people an open border

would bring might be. "I am not saying they will, but I have seen that

happen many, many times," he said.

Asked if the road to Akyaka could pass further from the lake,

Å?ekercioÄ?lu said: "The road may pass two or three

kilometers farther north. There are a number of dirt roads to the

north that could be paved; they lead to the same destination."

A lack of data has prevented scientists from determining just how much

the increased traffic would affect wildlife in the lake. "No research

was made for the longest time. We did the first bird count on Kuyucuk

Lake on Sept. 24, 2004," said Å?ekercioÄ?lu. "At that

time, there were around 40,000 birds. The very next year, their number

had gone down to less than 10,000."

Since there is no data from before 2004, Å?ekercioÄ?lu

said, scientists cannot be sure whether the high number seen that year

was due to a record number of migrating birds, or whether there has

been a drop in the region's bird population.

In addition to increased traffic, opening the border could bring more

development to the region, including around the lake,

Å?ekercioÄ?lu said. The lake is on the Ramsar List of

Wetlands of International Importance, designating it as an area that

needs to be preserved.

 

But the Ramsar Area Status does not include any enforcement;

responsibility to protect the area rests with the government. "It is

under conservation status for being a wetland,"

Å?ekercioÄ?lu said. "What is important is that the

conservation status continues." The island also received Wildlife

Development Area status from the Turkish government on Sept. 7, 2005.

What makes Kuyucuk such a rare gem is that eastern Anatolia is located

on the major migratory routes of birds from around the world. "We have

been banding birds since 2005, and we found out that a duck that was

banded in Kars in 2007 was killed by a French hunter in Kazakhstan in

2008," Å?ekercioÄ?lu said. "So these birds deal with many

problems around the world.

That is why it is important to provide them with a sanctuary in

Kuyucuk."Another species that will be negatively affected by the

opening of the Armenia-Turkey border is the endangered Egyptian

vulture.

The Kuzey DoÄ?a team has realized that these rare birds have

made their home in the 88-kilometer-long Arpaçay Canyon. "It is

a military zone and people cannot access it," said

Å?ekercioÄ?lu.

"So it is a well-preserved area." Anderson said similar situations

have occurred in California where wildlife flourishes in a military

zone.

But as is the case with the birds in Kuyucuk, there is no data

available about the number of vultures living in the area during the

earlier period when the border was open.

"However, common sense and the precautionary principle dictate that as

a place becomes more populated, the number of vultures living in the

area will decrease," Å?ekercioÄ?lu said. "They are very

sensitive to disturbances. They abandon their nests, never to return,

if people approach closer than 100 meters. We need to think about the

worst-case scenario because [the vultures] are globally endangered."

Edited May 17, 2009 by Arpa

[Arpa]

GREEN CLOWNS

As stated before, comedians come in all shapes and colors, including our own. Someone please give these our own junior comedians something better to do. See the thread below, where having run out of all argumentS our junior comedians turn their poison pen against our most prominent and respected historians and armenologists.

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=19664&hl=suny

Above we said that comedians come in all shapes and “colors”. Now that the likes of McCarthy from that “green” Island have faded into the sunset of the west, they have found other “greens” in the east. The name of this clown is akhtar meaning green.

===

Pakistan Observer , Pakistan

May 24 2009

Myth of Armenian claims against Turks

Name of the book:Lies,Lies and More Lies

Author:Col Masud Akhtar Shaikh ®

Reviewed by:Col Ghulam Sarwar ®

Published by:Encore, Islamabad

Pages: 250

A reputed Pakistani scholar of the Turkish language and literature,

Col Masud Akhtar Shaikh is the proud author of sixteen books and some

of these are translations from Turkish literature. A few more books, I

understand, are in the pipeline. Besides, writing books on Turkish

literature, he has carried out an indepth analysis of the Armenian

issue and in the process has exploded the myth of the Armenian

genocide by the Ottoman Turks. He has convincingly brought out that

the issue of genocide is a total hoax and has nothing to do with facts

on ground. He holds that this `hoax' was woven by some Christian

powers during World War I, as a part of their vicious propaganda

against the Turks. Col Shaikh, on the other hand, makes us believe

that the myth of Armenian genocide by the ottoman Turks, was designed

to cover up the genocide of the Turks at the hands of the Armenians.

 

It is extremely deplorable that the propaganda against the Turks has

so successfully been launched that the world has seriously started

believing that the Armenians were the most oppressed nation in the

world and that the Ottoman Turks had mercilessly subjected them to

genocide and for this, the Turkish Republic should accept

responsibility. The learned author feels that it is high time that

this myth is exposed threadbare.

 

From the narrative, we learn that knowing that the Ottoman government

would not easily agree to further disintegration of the Empire, the

Americans had adopted the policy of terrorism on an extensive

scale. Gradually, the terrorist operations engineered by the Armenians

had become so frequent and so widespread, that it had become almost

impossible to keep a count of the number of Turks killed by the

Armenians. It was also difficult to assess the value of Turkish assets

that were destroyed by the latter. To put facts in their proper

perspective, the author makes us believe that during the Ottoman

Empire, there was no bar or prejudice against the employment of

Armenians in any government or ministry. Also, there was no objection

to their elevation to the higher echelons of the bureaucratic

hierarchy. This situation continued right upto the end of World War

I. This fact was borne out by the Report of the Commission led by

General Horbord, and presented to the American Senate. This Commission

had carried out a study on the status of Armenians in Antolia and

Russia at the end of the Great War.

 

The report had stated that the Turkish people and the Armenians had

been living side by side on friendly and peaceful terms. In fact, the

Armenians had lived in peace and prosperity for many centuries as the

loyal citizens of the Ottoman Empire, enjoying full confidence of the

Ottoman Rulers. However, starting from the last quarter of the 19th

century, this situation had started undergoing a drastic change in

relation between the Turks and the Armenians. Thus, through cunning

mechanism of the Big Powers, the age-old brotherly feelings between

the two communities were gradually replaced by feelings of mutual

hatred and acrimony. With regard to geo-political importance of Turks,

the author brings out that all along history, Turkey had remained the

centre of attraction for various powers, because of its extremely

important strategic and geo-political location. Obviously, it had

served as a bridge between Europe and Asia. To add to its importance,

we see that it controlled two highly important straits, the

Dardanelles and the Istanbul straits (Bosophorus), which provided

passage between the Mediterranean Sea and the Black Sea. It was

located at a nodal point where the natural energy resources of Asia,

Caucasus and Middle East intersect each other. In view of this

enviable position, Turkey has always been the centre piece of plots

and conspiracies hatched against it by big powers. Further, we learn

from the narrative that Armenia is in dire need of economic

developments, both in the industrial and the agricultural sectors. For

this, it has to rely on outside help in terms of technical know-how,

heavy equipment and machinery and external investment. With the

present strained relations with Azerbaijan, Turkey, Georgia and to

some extent, Iran, it would be futile on the part of Armenia to expect

desired goodwill from any of these countries. In view of above

constraints, what Armenia needs in the immediate future is a friendly

Turkey, a friendly Azerbaijan and a friendly Georgia. All these

neighbouring countries can be of a great assistance to Armenia in its

economic and social development as well as its security as an

independent nation. It is in Armenia's own interest to realise that no

attempt at reconciliation can be successful unless the outside powers,

namely Russia, America and France realise that their respective

national interests can be served better if durable peace prevails in

the region. By contributing towards accelerated economic and

industrial development of the region, these powers can also reap rich

dividends in terms of greater opportunities for secure investment in

the whole region. International development and financial agencies

would also be encouraged to invest substantial funds for speedy

regional development. This done, hopefully, within a short period,

Armenia would no longer remain a permanent liability for Russia and

America, as well as for rest of the Christian world, as it has been

for the last many decades. So, in the interest of Armenian people, it

is imperative that Russia, America and France, voluntarily lend their

support in paving the way for inter-state reconciliation in the

region.

http://pakobserver.net/200905/24/Articles03.asp

 

 

 

[Zartonk]

A wacky paki colonel 'scholar', yearning for the glory that was the Turk caliphate, 'convincingly' debunking all of the Armenian slander.

 

 

Hents es er pakas.

[MosJan]

azie buffet

http://snap.lbl.gov/2008_SNAPCollab_FNAL/pigroast1_789l.gif

Movses, where did you see that recipe, who has written it?

It would have been funny were it not ridiculous. Mithe apoushutyun@ chap ou sahman ouni?

Does not this clown know that azzies are Muslim and not only they are not allowed to eat pork, they're not even supposed to be in the company of a pig.

Oink, oink!!

http://www.pigs4ever.com/PotBellyPigPictures/Misc/sharon.htm

 

http://www.celtnet.org.uk/recipes/miscella...abakh-khorovats

[Arpa]

Yes, of course. Those azi pigs in baku, just like their cousin swine (flu) in telaviv are masters of the porkroast/pigroast

Those sonofapigs!

http://www.oneforthetable.com/oftt/images/...h/pigroast1.gif

Edited May 26, 2009 by Arpa

[Yervant1]

What will they think of next?

 

 

 

MILLION ARMENIANS EMIGRATED FROM OTTOMAN EMPIRE WITH RUSSIAN ARMY IN 1917?

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/

01.06.2009 13:31 GMT+04:00

 

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ According to Turkish historian, Prof. Kemal Karpat,

who set up Ottoman History Department in U.S. Wisconsin University,

nearly one million Armenians migrated to the north together with

Russian army which withdrew from Anatolia in 1917.

 

He assures that this fact is accepted by Armenian historians

too. Karpat said that the basis of the disagreement was "miscalculation

of the Armenian population living in Anatolia in that period,"

Milliyet reports.

 

"No Armenian historian can accept the facts Karpat is speaking about,"

director of the institute of oriental studies at NAS RA, professor

Ruben Safrastyan told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter. "Kemal Karpat

is a well known historian in Turkey but making such statements,

he discredits himself," he said.

 

 

 

[Arpa]

A clown is born every minute. Whoever taught this clown how to read and write?

No, no. This clown does not know enough “history” and folklore.

Of course, Armenians are descended from Lemmings, bent on mass suicide just for fun and “mass” entertainment. . In addition, perhaps he should know that Armenians migrated to the Syrian Deserts in search of warmer and more fertile and wetter lands. Akanjd khosi Hacob Baronian .

http://www.thetravelpeach.com/united-state...egas/desert.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming

http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/L/Lemmings.asp

Edited and abridged by me.

Myths and misconceptions

Misconceptions about lemmings go back many centuries. In the 1530s, the geographer Zeigler of Strasbourg proposed the theory that the creatures fell out of the sky during stormy weather…..

While many people believe that lemmings commit mass suicide when they migrate, this is not the case. Driven by strong biological urges, they will migrate in large groupings when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can and do swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat.[7] On occasion, and particularly in the case of the Norway lemmings in Scandinavia, large migrating groups will reach a cliff overlooking the ocean. They will stop until the urge to press on causes ….

Due to their association with this odd behavior, lemming suicide is a frequently-used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences. This is the theme of the video game Lemmings, where the player attempts to save mindlessly marching creatures (with little physical resemblance to real-life lemmings) from walking to their deaths.

 

 

[Yervant1]

AZERBAIJANIS AGAIN CONFUSE A DONKEY WITH A LASER WEAPON

 

ArmInfo

2009-06-04 11:10:00

 

ArmInfo. Azerbaijani Mass Media disseminated another fantasy. This

time it blames Armenia for using allegedly a secret unknown weapon.

 

This fantasy of the Azerbaijani media was a follows: 'Armenian armed

forces have started to fire on the residential areas of Azerbaijan

and positions of Azerbaijani Army with weapons not included in the

modern military system. Bullets smaller than 7.62 mm caliber and

larger than 5.45 mm caliber were found in the areas targeted by the

enemy. The bullets have different carving and structure. Experts

said the new bullets are able to run through one-meter ground layer,

thin concrete plate, armor vests and light armored vehicles.There

are no details about the weapons which use these bullets and their

technical indications'.

 

ArmInfo correspondent applied to Press Secretary of the Armenian

Defense Ministry, Colonel Seyran Shakhsouvaryan for comments on the

'secret weapon'. 'It is quite difficult to comment on this report

since the statement on possible use of a certain 'weapon unknown

to the world' is silly. Specialists worldwide are well aware of

the weapons and there is no secret', S. Shakhsouvaryan said. Such

reports pursue a single goal to accuse once more the Armenian party

of firing 'at peaceful Azerbaijani territories'. 'Terror magnifies

objects.20Probably, that was another misunderstanding as usually

happens to our neighbors when they confuse something with 'unknown

weapon'. Such a curious case happened during the war in Karabakh

when Azerbaijanis took a donkey with a torch fixed on its back for a

'laser weapon' ', Colonel Shakhsouvaryan said.

 

[Arpa]

Good find Yervant. I had seen that resport but chosen not to read through.

HEE HAW!

ԷՇՈՒ ԶՌՌՈՑ

Here is apicture of him. Isham Eshiev. Why does he still go by the "aliev" surname, is he not "äli-oghlu"?? Is he the president of aliastan or russastan"? What language does he speek furksky or russky? How about if the president of Armenia were named "sargosy/sargisovich or sargisiev? And, they claim to be a country with a name like "äzeriev"?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/NGSPOD08/119436.jpg

Edited June 5, 2009 by Arpa

[Arpa]

You mean baboonistan needs more donkeys?

Below from AZG June 10, 2009 we read that baboonistan is importing 15 donkeys at $18,200 from furkey. The rest of the story is even more disjointed. It seems to say that at one time they imported donkeys from Germany?

I can’t find the source and neither in any other language. The article seems to be by Hakob Chakerian the furkologist at AZG.

Let’s have some fun, suggest names for those 15 donkeys.

http://www.azgdaily.com/AR/2009061008

ԱԴՐԲԵՋԱՆԸ 15 ԷՇ Է ՆԵՐՄՈՒԾԵԼ ԵՂԲԱՅՐԱԿԱՆ ԹՈՒՐՔԻԱՅԻՑ

Յուրաքանչյուրի դիմաց պետբյուջեից վճարելով 18 հազար 200 ԱՄՆ դոլար

Անցյալ տարի Ադրբեջանը 15 էշ է ներմուծել Թուրքիայից: Ինչպես հունիսի 9-ին տեղեկացնում է թուրքական haberler.com կայքէջը, էշերից յուրաքանչյուրը, բացառությամբ մեկի, որի համար վճարվել է 11 հազար 500 դոլար, ներմուծվել է 18 հազար 200 ԱՄՆ դոլարով: Վճարումները Թուրքիային Բաքուն կատարել է Ադրբեջանի պետբյուջեի հաշվին:

Ադրբեջանական վիճակագրական ինստիտուտի տվյալներով, 2006-ից ի վեր Բաքվի վարչակազմը պետբյուջեից տարեկան 170 հազար դոլար է հատկացնում, որ տարբեր երկրներից, այդ թվում Թուրքիայից, էշեր ներմուծի: Ըստ թուրքական կայքէջի, «Ենի Մուսաֆաթ» թերթը «Այս էշերը պետական ո՞ր կառույցն է պատվիրում եւ ինչո՞ւ» վերնագրով հոդվածում հետեւյալ հարցադրումն է արել. «Մի՞թե Ադրբեջանում էշ չկա»: Ապա եւ ավելացրել է, որ անցյալ տարի պետականորեն Ադրբեջան էշ ներմուծելու նպատակով պետությունը մի ամբողջ հարստություն է վատնել:

Էշերի առաջին գլխաքանակը, ըստ ադրբեջանական թերթի, 160 հազար դոլարով 2006-ին Ադրբեջան է ներմուծվել Գերմանիայից, իսկ անցյալ տարի ադրբեջանական պետությունը Թուրքիայից պետական կարիքների համար 15 էշ է գնել եւ էշերի ներմուծման դիմաց Ադրբեջանի պետբյուջեից վճարել է 170 հազար 700 դոլար: Haberler.com կայքէջը պետբյուջեի հաշվին էշերի ներմուծումը համարում է առեղծվածային եւ նշում, որ ներմուծման բացահայտումն իրարանցում է առաջացրել Ադրբեջանում:

Հ. Չ.

 

 

 

 

[Arpa]

Banco Mattaresso

Stay tuned, watch your local news. Next there will be a new bank in your neighborhood, Banco Mattaresso or Mattress Bank. It may pay better dividends than your present bank, unless, of course…

An Israeli woman mistakenly threw out a mattress with $1 million inside, setting off a frantic search through tons of garbage at a number of landfill sites, Israeli media reported Wednesday.

The woman told Army Radio that she bought her elderly mother a new mattress as a surprise on Monday and threw out the old one, only to discover that her mother had hidden her life savings inside. She was identified only as Anat, a resident of Tel Aviv. When she went to look for the mattress it had already been taken by garbage men, she said. Subsequent searches at three different landfill sites turned up nothing. (AP)

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A local delivery man tells about the time he used to deliver to this old lady, she would not remember where her money was until… voila… it is in the refrigerator…cold cash?!!

Dictionary: cold cash

n. Informal.

Money readily at hand.

Money under the mattress is well pressed for pressing times, or it it is well kneaded for needy days.

Edited June 10, 2009 by Arpa