Dave Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=27...9423072580& Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Haha ... there you have it! Einstein was responsible for the Armenian Genocide :lol2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RemainFaithful Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 I personally think it would be more accurate not to use the word "Jewish", because Jewish people were not responsible for the Armenian Genocide. However, we also have some information about the donme Turks, who lived in Turkey as outwardly Muslims, but inwardly keeping their customs and prayers as Jews. We've heard and read about Ataturk being a donme, as well as some of the leaders before him, like Enver *****. (As a side note: in Armenia, there are donme Armenians who are registered as Armenians, and have -ian in their last name, but they are in fact Jews, and some own big companies). I think that there is some truth about the donme hands in the Armenian Genocide. Perhaps, the diasporan parties know about it, but without any solid proof. Also, they may not want to create a gap among the Armenians and the Jews. On the contrary, perhaps there will be a benefit from the similarity of the Jewish Holocoast. In addition to that, Zionists are a great political power today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 (As a side note: in Armenia, there are donme Armenians who are registered as Armenians, and have -ian in their last name, but they are in fact Jews, and some own big companies). Wasn't Levon Der-Bedrossian's wife a Jew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassun Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) Wasn't Levon Der-Bedrossian's wife a Jew? Well, Der Bedrossian was a traitor . which really overshadows 'what' his wife was. but yeah she was. Edited June 11, 2007 by Sassun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyethga Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Lydumilla Ter-Petrosyan was a Joo. Although the number of Jews in Armenia is pretty low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 (edited) Wow! This guy (the author) has BIG BALLS to say and write all these! KUDOS! Edited June 11, 2007 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom22 Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 If there is truth to this, it will embarass World Jewry. The Jewish organizations would do anything possible to conceal this history. This only strengthens my beliefs, emanated from Eastern religions, that the Jewish Holocaust is a karmic after effect of the Armenian Genocide. Wow! This guy (the author) has BIG BALLS to say and write all these! KUDOS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyeFedayis Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Also this: THE JEWISH GENOCIDE OF ARMENIAN CHRISTIANS By Christopher Jon Bjerknes http://www.jewishracism.com/JewishGenocide.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Believable... or Unbelievable? "In the Hebrew Bible, there are many passages that state that the Jews have a mortal enemy whom they call Amalek, and for them it is a racial belief that there is a tribe of Amalekites out to destroy the Jews. And God has commanded the Jews to completely exterminate the Amalekites... They cannot leave a single Amalekite alive... And the Jewish people associated the Armenians with the Amalekites. They believe that the Armenian people represent this racial enemy of the Jews, which has to be exterminated." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) Most of what he says are interpretations of facts (some of them outlandish), and he goes off-topic a lot, but I find his views interesting anyway. It's good that this has been exposed to the Armenian public via TV, and didn't just stay in some obscure website. I'm sure they wouldn't have invited such a person in mainstream American TV, and if they had, they'd ridiculize him. Edited June 12, 2007 by Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) Most of what he says are interpretations of facts (some of them outlandish), and he goes off-topic a lot, but I find his views interesting anyway. It's good that this has been exposed to the Armenian public via TV, and didn't just stay in some obscure website. I'm sure they wouldn't have invited such a person in mainstream American TV, and if they had, they'd ridiculize him. I think that some of the things he says make A LOT of sense. Consider the following: 1) The ARF supported the Young Turks (Committee of Union and Progress) up to the time of the genocide (they likely shared members in free masonic lodges) 2) Henry Morgenthau, the Zionist US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, who although wrote a book propagandazing the massacres and genocide of the Armenians to the American government and public (in order to turn them against the Turkish Muslims), he DID not actually help the Armenians in any way (unlike the protection he provided to the Jews of the Ottoman Empire) 3) Kristapor Mikaelian's wife (or was it Rostom's?) one of the three founders of the ARF was Jewish (Mikaelian was likely a crypto-Jew) 4) Bank Ottoman takeover was a ridiculously STUPID move by the Armenians (ARF) and it goes to show that it was made as an "act" to create histeria in the eyes of the Sultan, in order to show that Armenians were a real threat. 5) The CUP, indeed, was a set of very well-educated Turks from Europe (specifically the Balkans); they were known to be free masons. 6) It doesn't make sense that there were American missionaries sent to "convert" Armenians to Christianity, when they were already Christian. It likely was used as a ploy (as the author suggests) to create histeria in the Sultan's mind that the Americans are organizing the Armenians... Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) The fact that some random Brit went to Arabia to help Arab nationalists supports the author's idea. In reality, the British Empire would have wanted a united Ottoman Empire in order to deal with a single nation in its trek towards Asia. And that's what actually happened. Many Great Powers didn't agree that Armenia should have been independent during the various congresses. Does this guy think that Armenians would have been better off under the yoke of the Ottoman Empire? I do not agree. Why are you only mentioning the ARF? He also said the Hunchags had crypto-Jews among them. I see them as being more valid to the author's ideas because they care less about the Armenian cause than the Tashnags. 1) The ARF supported the Young Turks (Committee of Union and Progress) up to the time of the genocide (they likely shared members in free masonic lodges) It was in fact to stop the bloodshed between revolutionary Armenians and the Sultan's Turks. 4) Bank Ottoman takeover was a ridiculously STUPID move by the Armenians (ARF) and it goes to show that it was made as an "act" to create histeria in the eyes of the Sultan, in order to show that Armenians were a real threat. It was to capture attention, and the Zionists did give importance to it because it seemed to threaten their precious assets in the Ottoman Empire. Edited June 12, 2007 by Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) WOW! Check this out, thanks Google Answers! http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=531420 Emmanuel Karasu... + He was a Sephardic Jew. + He also was a Freemason, a distinguished member of the lodge "Macedonia Rissorta" in Thessaloniki (founded in 1864 by the lodge "Italia" of Istanbul). It may be interesting that Turkish Prime Minister Talat ***** (1917-1918) was also a member of Karasu's lodge. + He was one of the founders of the "Young Turks" movement in the 1890s. + He was a member of the three-men delegation that announced his dethronement to Sultan Abdülhamit II after the counter-coup of April 1909. + Before 1918, he was a deputy for Thessaloniki in the Turkish parliament for the Party of Union and Progress. + [And icing on the cake, supporting the above author's view that removing the Armenians was necessary for the Zionists to take control of what was left of the Ottoman Empire] He organized a conference of all Jewish organizations of Turkey on 1 November 1918 in Istanbul; at that conference, the "National Council of the Jewish Community of Turkey" was founded. We also read... "a Jewish lawyer, had founded an Italian Freemason lodge in which he apparently allowed Talaat's secret society to meet when it was in hiding from the Sultan's secret police." Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) It was to capture attention, and the Zionists did give importance to it because it seemed to threaten their precious assets in the Ottoman Empire. No! No! Try to think a couple of steps ahead. This is a chess game. The Bank Ottoman really created a PERCEPTION that the Armenians are "powerful" and "organized" and "violent" to arouse the Sultan and give justification to the Sultan to massacre. (Armenians would have been better off if they SECRETLY armed the Armenians of the villages, and SECRETLY got into talks with European powers... You don't need to take over the Ottoman Bank to start dialog...) Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Another enlightening thread... http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=8923 A citizen of Turkey writes... "Jevish Converts and Sabbataism is a fact in Turkey. Lots of Jevs converted in the time of the Ottomans. Because it was the decree of their messiah Sabbatai Zwi to convert and pretend like a muslim in order to seize control of the empire. And they became successful in a short period like 200 years. The founding fathers of Turkey are all Jevish converts and masons." "In the year 2000 during the time of presidential elections in Turkey, one of the most likely candidates was Ismail Cem. But he was a member of Ipekci family and he had changed his surname to conceal it. Because Ipekci family was a well-known jevish-convert(donmeh) family from salonika. When this truth was revealed it attained great publicity and he was forced to step down. After this incident his politic career ended and eventually he became cancer and died last year." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (Armenians would have been better off if they SECRETLY armed the Armenians of the villages, and SECRETLY got into talks with European powers... Meh... European powers didn't care much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Another enlightening thread... There has been so much discussion on the issue out there, that they censored the word Jew and banned a lot of ppl... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) There has been so much discussion on the issue out there, that they censored the word Jew and banned a lot of ppl... It's all news to me... But the Emmanel Karuso guy is for real and corroborated. The guy was a Jewish lawyer, founder of the same masonic lodge in Thesaloniki as attended by Talat and funded by the Rothschilds, and Karuso even was involved in the formation of the Young Turks themselves. This begs the question, STILL... Why was Mikaelian, an Armenian "nationalist" and co-founder of ARF, married to a Zionist woman? (Սխալ մի հասկնար. ՀՅԴի մէջ շատ լաւ մարդիկ եղած են ու կան... բայց մի մոռնար որ ամէ՛ն խումբ ունի իր դաւաճանները... նոյնիսկ ՀՅԴի շարքերուն մէջ եւ ես ասոր ուրիշ փաստեր ալ ունիմ որ չէմ կրնար գրել հոս: Question authority եթէ մէջն ես... ) Was Mikaelian a crypto-Jew? Did the ARF's cooperation with the CUP have to do with the fact that Mikaelian was a crypto-Jew? Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Wasn't Levon Der-Bedrossian's wife a Jew? Was she? Լսած եմ թէ ան Մուսա Լեռցի էր եւ Մուսա Լեռի բարբարը կրնար խօսիլ, and I have second-hand corroboration of the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=27...9423072580& This guy is a genius. Thanks for posting Dave. You can find his book at: http://www.jewishracism.com/JewishGenocide.htm He is revealing all of the patterns that the Zionists have been using time and time again, and into the present time... Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 This guy is a genius. Thanks for posting Dave. This guy is a genius and Einstein was a plagerist. Yes, this is shaping up to be a great thread indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 (edited) This guy is a genius and Einstein was a plagerist. Yes, this is shaping up to be a great thread indeed. Stick to the facts and quit the sarcasm. Indeed, Einstein WASN'T the genius that Zionists have made it seem he was... I argue that Claude Shannon, an Irishman, and father of Information Theory had a much larger impact on the 20th century than Einstein. What is more important? Nuclear power or computers and digital telecommunication? Which has benefited humanity more? Which was more intellectually challenging? I argue the latter. The genius of the 20th century was by far Claude Shannon, in my opinion. Edited June 12, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 What is more important? Nuclear power or computers and digital telecommunication? Which has benefited humanity more? Which was more intellectually challenging? I argue the latter. The genius of the 20th century was by far Claude Shannon, in my opinion. Perhaps you have a different background than I but I consider theoretical physics to be faaaaaaaaaaaar more intellectually challenging than computers or digital communication. But if you are going to bring up computers, I just don't see how you can declare Shannon as the genius of the century and leave out Alan Turing. As far as Einstein ... I highly doubt 99% of the people that dismiss him as a hack have the basic intellectual abilities to even begin to make such a statement. They, I would argue, are simply repeating what they have read/seen in typical mindless anti-jewish propaganda. But I have to say, I can certainly get to love a thread in which the Armenian Genocide, Einstein, Claude Shannon, and Allan Turing are all mentioned as somehow interconnected topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Ara Baliozian: It this forum is not representative of the nation, it may be because it takes one loud-mouth barbarian to alienate and silence a hundred good men. * You may be a damn fool but if you choose my side in a fight I will be more than willing to call you the wisest man since Socrates. * Conformism, cowardice, conservatism: the three pillars on which all corrupt regimes stand. * Under the Nazis if you didn't hate Jews you were an enemy of the state. Until very recently in the U.S. if you were for civil rights you were called a nigger-lover by rednecks. In some circles today if you are not an anti-Semite or an anti-Zionist (make it, a neo-anti-Semite) you are labeled a racist. The more things change…. * Many good and wise men, among them Shakespeare, Dickens and Dostoevsky, didn't much care for Jews. Our own Mekhitarist monks in Vienna, Yervant Odian tells us, were rabid anti-Semites. Karl Marx, himself a Jew, was anti-Jewish. We are told you cannot legislate love or hatred. Everyone is free to love or hate anyone he likes. There is a difference however between hating someone and threatening to kill him, or between being anti-Jewish and supporting their systematic extermination. * For 600 years the Turks didn't much care for us either. But it was only when their empire was disintegrating and when the Great Powers used Armenians as an excuse to interfere in their internal affairs that their dislike turned into genocidal hatred, or a sentiment became a crime against humanity. * Consider the situation of the Arabs today: they hate Jews, they hate Americans, they hate the West, and they label anyone who dislikes them anti-Arab, or anti-Muslim, or anti-freedom. * "The Lord loves those who hate evil," we read in the Bible (Psalm 97), and what could be more evil than proponents and supporters of another holocaust? * Fascism, racism, anti-Semitism, despotism, chauvinism: these are psychological aberrations that when not exposed and checked become political abuses of power and ultimately crimes against humanity. * "The Jews have no right to be in Israel," is the first half of a sentence, the second half being: "or anywhere else, for that matter." * A narcissist is sure to confuse objectivity with hostility, even hatred. * Narcissists are the least qualified people on earth to assess themselves. * I began by saying that it takes one barbarian to alienate a hundred good men; likewise, it takes one man (Hitler, Talaat) to legitimize genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.