Ani Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 (edited) Ani jan et HAorutin mi l@sy - portsanqi mej k@nknes Ani jan jamanakin inch hamest xeloq orinakeli yeritasard er - isk hima qani vegasa teghapoxvel sharqits helela / mi lsy iran Ani jan gorts chunes Vegasi darpasner@ pakela petk... Edited July 20, 2007 by Ani777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 I agree with you Ani and Edward, my main point was that Armenians or the Armenian youth did not invent the "hit and run" phenomenon, nor they invented rich parents buy expensive cars to their undeserving kids phenomenon. While we might feel "shameful" in this particular case b/c the perpetrator was "one of us", the bigger picture tells that this is an unfotunate case and I am glad the driver was caught and will be punished accordingly. As far as Armenia being a lawless society, I will not argue against that either, but given its history and only very recent independence from even corrupt soviet system, i think this should not come as a surprise. It is great that we know where we are lacking, the questions is how to improve... Finally, what about those license plates, I am not familiar to this Armenian system at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Finally, what about those license plates, I am not familiar to this Armenian system at all. ohh janiikkkk you don't know what your missing on 0199 Aper 0099 Aper Jigyar Kyanq Juto Sheko Qaxtser Fedayi0 Hagob it's endlessssssssss i'm gona get me one soon - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 (edited) I agree with you Ani and Edward, my main point was that Armenians or the Armenian youth did not invent the "hit and run" phenomenon, nor they invented rich parents buy expensive cars to their undeserving kids phenomenon. While we might feel "shameful" in this particular case b/c the perpetrator was "one of us", the bigger picture tells that this is an unfotunate case and I am glad the driver was caught and will be punished accordingly. As far as Armenia being a lawless society, I will not argue against that either, but given its history and only very recent independence from even corrupt soviet system, i think this should not come as a surprise. It is great that we know where we are lacking, the questions is how to improve... Finally, what about those license plates, I am not familiar to this Armenian system at all. Kakachik jan, it is stupid, but let me try to explain as much as i can.. The new system of armenian plates is two numbers, exp. 63 then two letters SU and then three more numbers http://www.pl8s.com/a/img-arme.jpg It depends where the car is registered... Police had plates starting with 01..They were the "untouchables"...Yet many boys in their twenties were driving cars with those type of plates, how did they get those, i don't know...But its a fact.. There were more fancy ones like 07ss007 or 01uu001...It just made the owner more unaffected... It may sound weird to many of you, but i lived through that and it disgusted me... As Edward said i just think that we can not afford to ruin what people have been trying to build for years... Edited July 20, 2007 by Ani777 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 http://wcbstv.com/kcbs/topstories/local_story_199154226.html Damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 But at least the girl's family is being really good about things and not turning this into some racial thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 This is what happens when Armenians spoil their kids with undeserved luxury cars. I know not every Armenian guy in LA is like that, but the majority are. I personally know so many families where they spoil their sons with cars and gold bracelets and necklaces, while their kids can barely read and write and are high school dropouts. This news is extremely sad to me. I chose not to post this in the open forum, as the police are still investigating and might still find that Mr. Grigoryan was not the driver (though highly unlikely). Another Stantsi... Problem: lack of participation in the Armenian community (and by "Armenian community" I mean Armenian organizations where he can become civilized and have some mentors; he's obviously not getting this nutrition from the home nor from his public school -- and he's most likely not being sent to an Armenian school). How will he adjust to the new country if he's hanging out with other Stantsis who are just as malnourished? THAT is the problem. The Los Angeles dystopian culture doesn't help either... Kids are going to school (epecially middle and high school) afraid of their personal safety. What kind of environment is that to learn? even to become civilized in? American public high schools (specifically the ones in most of Los Angeles, and including Hoover High and Glendale High) are like youth prisons... They even have on-campus police officers, security guards, 24-7 video taping all over to film fights, and high fences all around the schools to keep student in and rival gangs out... Does this sound like a dystopia to you? Do your kids a favor and DON'T raise them in Los Angeles! (At least move to Orange County, or even better the San Francisco Bay Area... or the best... Canada. Montreal anyone? We're still working on making Armenian livable -- still need some cultural adjustments there...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 ehhh Hye Azg sa e qo apagan ???? Stantsi ??? dzen@t taq teghits a galis et ambyonits tsats iji arajin patjarnerist mek@ ! vor Hayastantsiner@ chen tsankanum hajaxel iyd kazmakerputyuneri koghmits batsvats d@prostner@ / Akumbner@ / yekeghetsiner@ / havaquytnerin kam tsankatsats ariti - hents iys tesak l@pirsh artahaytutyunnern en civilized - et vor mek kuskatsakan tuftena qez het civilization'i mej bats toghel / yev havatatsrel vro du arden civilized es / du der patrast ches - du der shat ban unes sovorelu -- et amen@ shat aveli normal dzevov karrogh es grel yev mardkants chviravorel - Hay@ artasahmanits gnats Hayastan dartsav Axpar 50 taruts avel mardkants kashin hanetsin yev pitaketsin nuynpisty kusaktsakaner@- Hayastanits yekav USa dartsav Stantsy??? - hima le srants pitaki tak @enkav lsy balik jan nayi qez normal em asum es yerku barrer@ - du der shat poqer es mardkants PITAKELU hamar mek koghmits AZG eq xosum muys koghmits irar vra mat t@nkum yev anuner kanchum ehhh Hye Azg sa e qo apagan nayi mi hat avelnord bar indznits chneghanas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I do have more to say. I just don't have the time right now. Later tonight. Now I'm off to teach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 ARMENIAN POLICE TO AUCTION OFF 'EXCLUSIVE' LICENSE PLATES By Shakeh Avoyan Radio Liberty, Czech Rep. July 19 2007 New owners of expensive cars will now be able to legally buy license plates with their preferred numbers, instead of using their government connections or paying kickbacks, the Armenian government announced on Thursday. The government approved the measure in an apparent bid to end widespread corruption and nepotism in the distribution of what many wealthy Armenians regard as a badge of prestige. Their luxury cars typically have license plates with three or more repeating and easy-to-remember numbers. In fact, some of the country's wealthiest businessmen have effectively monopolized entire number combinations and variations for their extended families and closest associates. Their motorcades consist of SUVs with virtually identical five-digit plates. Obtaining so-called "gold" numbers is believed to have required, at least until now, high-level government or police connections and, more importantly, hefty informal payments to senior police officers. Local motorists say the most prestigious of them have cost as much as $2,000 or even more. The government decision, effective from September 1, is clearly supposed to end the practice and make sure that the hefty sums end up in the state budget. The Armenian traffic police will now have to hold special auctions for the coveted license plates. Ministers instructed the police to officially define "gold" number combinations, classify them into several categories and set their price ranges within a month. Officials said information on all exclusive license plates put up for sale will have be posted on the police website before the planned auctions. Ishkhan Ishkhanian, the chief of the traffic police, already predicted the starting price of the most expensive category: 1.2 million drams ($3,500). He said he thinks there will be no lack of people willing to pay an even higher price. "I can tell from my experience that we Armenians have some attachment to numbers such dates of birth, dates of marriage," Ishkhanian told reporters. "And I'm not talking about a particular segment of the population. A large number of our citizens really care about numbers." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted July 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 ...my main point was that Armenians or the Armenian youth did not invent the "hit and run" phenomenon, nor they invented rich parents buy expensive cars to their undeserving kids phenomenon. While we might feel "shameful" in this particular case b/c the perpetrator was "one of us", the bigger picture tells that this is an unfotunate case and I am glad the driver was caught and will be punished accordingly. Kakachik, of course Armenians didn't invent the "hit and run" phenomenon. And of course the Armenian youth are not the only ones who show off their BMW's or Mercedes' on the LA freeways. I know and see the Korean and Chinese youth doing the same. But since it's happened in my neighborhood (and being constantly on the LA freeways makes me think that all of LA is my neighborhood) and considering that the driver is an Armenian in the Armenian diaspora, makes me extremely mad. I don't want to get killed. Period. And I don't want family members or friends to get killed either because of some loser, a loser who has no other sense of worth than to show of his Mercedes in extreme speeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted July 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) Another Stantsi... Shahan, you're no better than him if you classify an Armenian as a Stantsi. What kind of a slang is that? Problem: lack of participation in the Armenian community (and by "Armenian community" I mean Armenian organizations where he can become civilized and have some mentors; he's obviously not getting this nutrition from the home nor from his public school -- and he's most likely not being sent to an Armenian school). How will he adjust to the new country if he's hanging out with other Stantsis who are just as malnourished? THAT is the problem. I agree with this point. No objections. I would just like to add that the Armenian organizations are not organized enough. The Los Angeles dystopian culture doesn't help either... Kids are going to school (epecially middle and high school) afraid of their personal safety. What kind of environment is that to learn? even to become civilized in? American public high schools (specifically the ones in most of Los Angeles, and including Hoover High and Glendale High) are like youth prisons... They even have on-campus police officers, security guards, 24-7 video taping all over to film fights, and high fences all around the schools to keep student in and rival gangs out... Oh please. Don't make it sound so dramatic. Our school also had on-campus police officers. So what? I was never afraid. I graduated with all my body parts intact. Yes, there were some one or two group fights. Yes, I do remember someone getting stabbed during summer school. But guess what? It's the age we were living through. It's called teenage years. Sixth through eighth grade I went to school in Sweden. The whole school (grades 1-9) had only 800 students. Yet, there were also fights and clashes all the time. So, I was actually very surprised and kind of pleased to see on-campus security guards walking around here when I came to the U.S. Does this sound like a dystopia to you? Do your kids a favor and DON'T raise them in Los Angeles! (At least move to Orange County, or even better the San Francisco Bay Area... or the best... Canada. Montreal anyone? We're still working on making Armenian livable -- still need some cultural adjustments there...) A city doesn't raise a child. The parents do. Edited July 22, 2007 by anoushik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Shahan, you're no better than him if you classify an Armenian as a Stantsi. What kind of a slang is that? I think it's Boston-Armenian slang, b/c I first heard it from my Boston-Armenian friend. It's common slang these days, though. It's short for Հայաստանցի, which is too long of a word (as is Հայաստանահայ). I agree with this point. No objections. I would just like to add that the Armenian organizations are not organized enough. They are what we (volunteers) make them to be. Oh please. Don't make it sound so dramatic. Our school also had on-campus police officers. So what? I was never afraid. I graduated with all my body parts intact. Yes, there were some one or two group fights. Yes, I do remember someone getting stabbed during summer school. But guess what? It's the age we were living through. It's called teenage years. Sixth through eighth grade I went to school in Sweden. The whole school (grades 1-9) had only 800 students. Yet, there were also fights and clashes all the time. So, I was actually very surprised and kind of pleased to see on-campus security guards walking around here when I came to the U.S. Interesting... I haven't been to Sweden, but do have a Swedish friend in silicon valley. I had the impression they'd be a peaceful bunch, so your first hand experience is interesting. Were there gangs in Sweden? Did you live in Stockholm? What are your impressions in general of life there? A city doesn't raise a child. The parents do. This is partially true; one's environment outside the home has an important effect on a child. Children spend at least 7 hours per day at school, 8 hours to sleep, and 9 hours left (maximum) to be with parents. So they spend around as much time with their parents as without them during their waking hours.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 ehhh Hye Azg sa e qo apagan ???? Stantsi ??? dzen@t taq teghits a galis et ambyonits tsats iji arajin patjarnerist mek@ ! vor Hayastantsiner@ chen tsankanum hajaxel iyd kazmakerputyuneri koghmits batsvats d@prostner@ / Akumbner@ / yekeghetsiner@ / havaquytnerin kam tsankatsats ariti - hents iys tesak l@pirsh artahaytutyunnern en civilized - et vor mek kuskatsakan tuftena qez het civilization'i mej bats toghel / yev havatatsrel vro du arden civilized es / du der patrast ches - du der shat ban unes sovorelu -- et amen@ shat aveli normal dzevov karrogh es grel yev mardkants chviravorel - Hay@ artasahmanits gnats Hayastan dartsav Axpar 50 taruts avel mardkants kashin hanetsin yev pitaketsin nuynpisty kusaktsakaner@- Hayastanits yekav USa dartsav Stantsy??? - hima le srants pitaki tak @enkav lsy balik jan nayi qez normal em asum es yerku barrer@ - du der shat poqer es mardkants PITAKELU hamar mek koghmits AZG eq xosum muys koghmits irar vra mat t@nkum yev anuner kanchum ehhh Hye Azg sa e qo apagan nayi mi hat avelnord bar indznits chneghanas Ինչո՞ւ կը ջղայնանաս երբ հայաստանցի բառը գործածուի: Կը կարծես ես կը ջղայնանա՞մ երբ մէկը զիս լիբանանահայ կանչէ: Ամէն հայ տեղէ մըն է: Այս անհատը Հայաստանէն: Ոճի՞ռ է անդրադառնալ թէ անձ մը ուրտեղի հայ է: Երբ «լիբանանահայ» ըսուի, ես հպարտ կը զգամ: Երբ «հայաստանցի» ըսուի, պէտք է հայաստացի մըն ալ հպարտ զգայ: «Պիտակել» բառը չի գտայ բառարանիս մէջ (ոչ ալ նման ձայնով բառ մը): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Ինչո՞ւ կը ջղայնանաս երբ հայաստանցի բառը գործածուի: Կը կարծես ես կը ջղայնանա՞մ երբ մէկը զիս լիբանանահայ կանչէ: Ամէն հայ տեղէ մըն է: Այս անհատը Հայաստանէն: Ոճի՞ռ է անդրադառնալ թէ անձ մը ուրտեղի հայ է: Երբ «լիբանանահայ» ըսուի, ես հպարտ կը զգամ: Երբ «հայաստանցի» ըսուի, պէտք է հայաստացի մըն ալ հպարտ զգայ: «Պիտակել» բառը չի գտայ բառարանիս մէջ (ոչ ալ նման ձայնով բառ մը): che ha etqan himmari t@pavorutyun em toghel vret. es qo tuftalogyan patasxan es hamarum ??? du dranov dzer t@netsiqin kam kusaktsakan joghovbi jamanak tufty STANTSi es oogtvum - da Hayastantsinerin zer arnelu hamar e - HASKANALI e qez hamar ?? da SLANG E! - menak hima el chases te ArvmtaHayerenov HAyastantsin = Stantsy Պիտակ = Label Պիտակել = labeling iy orinak qez kareli e Պիտակել Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Oրինակ ինչու Լիբանանա-հայ եվ ոչ Լիբանանցի Ինչու Հայաստանցի եվ ոչ Հայաստանա-հայ. նույնպես նայեվ սովորիր! Տուֆտալոգիա-Հիմարաբանություն որ կորիզ է կազմում մարդուս իսկություն մասին. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) Oրինակ ինչու Լիբանանա-հայ եվ ոչ Լիբանանցի Ինչու Հայաստանցի եվ ոչ Հայաստանա-հայ. նույնպես նայեվ սովորիր! Տուֆտալոգիա-Հիմարաբանություն որ կորիզ է կազմում մարդուս իսկություն մասին. Because Լիբանանցի implies a person from Lebanon (usually a Lebanese Arab) and is not specific to an Armenian. Hence you need to say Լիբանանահայ to make the distinction. In the case of Armenia, Հայաստանցի means a person from Armenia (same as Լիբանանցի implying a person from Lebanon). Since we know that only Armenians (99.9%) live in Armenia, we don't need to make the distinction between non-Armenian citizens of Armenia vs. Armenian ones. Edited July 22, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 che ha etqan himmari t@pavorutyun em toghel vret. es qo tuftalogyan patasxan es hamarum ??? du dranov dzer t@netsiqin kam kusaktsakan joghovbi jamanak tufty STANTSi es oogtvum - da Hayastantsinerin zer arnelu hamar e - HASKANALI e qez hamar ?? da SLANG E! - menak hima el chases te ArvmtaHayerenov HAyastantsin = Stantsy Պիտակ = Label Պիտակել = labeling iy orinak qez kareli e Պիտակել I didn't know I can't use slang in hyeforum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 you lost some grounds Shahan and if I were you I would thing twice and say the correct word firstly this isent first time you refered Hasatanahay Armenians in negative manner, we hav some very respected Libananahay members here in this forum, Iranian-Armenians, From Brazil and Russia, Syria.... secondly..the administrators who own this forum are Armenians from Armenia, who without any profit or strings attached pay, maintain, and preserve this forum for us all Armenians and you come make such a comment "I dident know I couldent use slangs here" line........are you sure Dashnaktsutyun will tollarate this if you ever told them about it? among many I am also "nergakht" Armenian who went to Motherland, because of Stalinist and communist mentality we have suffered great deal from locals, now "baxti bermamp te patahmamb" we are here! and yet we face the same "Rhetoric" from those who stayed behind during "nergahkt" I knew a person, SUREN BURSALIAN"....rest in peace, next time you go to Sardarapat Graxanut ask for his book (send me the bill) and read, come back here and if you are still confused of what to say I will say it for you lastly... the art of speaking or writing effectively does not mean getting in a pissing contest with someone who in your egocentric world you might think the one is lesser then you Barin @nd qez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) you lost some grounds Shahan and if I were you I would thing twice and say the correct word firstly this isent first time you refered Hasatanahay Armenians in negative manner, we hav some very respected Libananahay members here in this forum, Iranian-Armenians, From Brazil and Russia, Syria.... secondly..the administrators who own this forum are Armenians from Armenia, who without any profit or strings attached pay, maintain, and preserve this forum for us all Armenians and you come make such a comment "I dident know I couldent use slangs here" line........are you sure Dashnaktsutyun will tollarate this if you ever told them about it? among many I am also "nergakht" Armenian who went to Motherland, because of Stalinist and communist mentality we have suffered great deal from locals, now "baxti bermamp te patahmamb" we are here! and yet we face the same "Rhetoric" from those who stayed behind during "nergahkt" I knew a person, SUREN BURSALIAN"....rest in peace, next time you go to Sardarapat Graxanut ask for his book (send me the bill) and read, come back here and if you are still confused of what to say I will say it for you lastly... the art of speaking or writing effectively does not mean getting in a pissing contest with someone who in your egocentric world you might think the one is lesser then you Barin @nd qez What, so I'm a bad guy since I recognize there's a problem among Armenian youth from Armenia in Los Angeles? (And in another thread, we've seen the problems in Russia, too.) Pattern? This has been going on for many years, and the behavioral patterns of Armenian youth from Armenia are markedly different than those from Iran, Lebanon, and Syria. That is a pattern. And these are things that need to be addressed if we'd like to recover the tarnished image of Armenians in L.A. Edited July 22, 2007 by Shahan Araradian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 No your a good guy Shahan jan, don't let anybody tell you otherwise. you put a label on you fellow Armenians brothers/sisters bro which part of my previous post you did not get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 i see you edited post and yet again you fell to correct your self, allow me... SOME YOUTH, NOT ALL, are, some Libananahays, NOT ALL, some Iranianahays NOT ALL now piss off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 (edited) The Los Angeles dystopian culture doesn't help either... Kids are going to school (epecially middle and high school) afraid of their personal safety. What kind of environment is that to learn? even to become civilized in? American public high schools (specifically the ones in most of Los Angeles, and including Hoover High and Glendale High) are like youth prisons... They even have on-campus police officers, security guards, 24-7 video taping all over to film fights, and high fences all around the schools to keep student in and rival gangs out... All my friends, my two brothers, and myself are all products of public schools in LA and all of us have become very successful post highschool. Most of us have gone on to UCLA and a few to SC and many went on to pursue post graduate level degrees (my youngest brother is starting his 3rd year at UCLA). Los Angeles has its problems but it is really far from the crap hole you often make it out to be. There are a VERY large number of Armenian students that go on to CSUN, UCLA, Cal Poly, USC, and of course the community colleges (GCC, Pierce, etc) after highschool and almost all of them come out of the public schools. Now as far as San Francisco ... I can't stand that town. Edited July 22, 2007 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shahan Araradian Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 i see you edited post and yet again you fell to correct your self, allow me... SOME YOUTH, NOT ALL, are, some Libananahays, NOT ALL, some Iranianahays NOT ALL now piss off Don't know what you're talking about. My last edit was at 3:42 am, your first post was at 3:48 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 All my friends, my two brothers, and myself are all products of public schools in LA and all of us have become very successful post highschool. Most of us have gone on to UCLA and a few to SC and many went on to pursue post graduate level degrees (my youngest brother is starting his 3rd year at UCLA). Los Angeles has its problems but it is really far from the crap hole you often make it out to be. There are a VERY large number of Armenian students that go on to CSUN, UCLA, Cal Poly, USC, and of course the community colleges (GCC, Pierce, etc) after highschool and almost all of them come out of the public schools. Now as far as San Francisco ... I can't stand that town. I am also a product of Hoover High and just finished a graduate degree at Columbia. Go Hoover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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