The Situation In Lebanon

[Dave]

Sassun, I too am quite interested and following the current situation in Palestine. While I am happy the sellouts (Fatah) are being excluded from control in Gaza, it's kind of sad to see them killing each other in very gang-like ways (throwing off rooftops, firing squad style executions etc.)

 

..and they say Armenians are divided.

[Shahan Araradian]

Michael Moore and I do not agree with this . Bowling for Columbine and his new documentary Sicko should tell you all about the wonders of the Canadian lifestyle. And I must say, it is much easier to keep culture here than in the States, from what i've heard of and seen.

Definitely agree. Canada, especially Quebec, is nothing like another U.S. state. (another myth of American media... .. Այդ մէկը քեզի համար էր Սիփան )

 

Even Toronto is a better place to live as an Armenian (if that is what you like) compared to any city in the U.S. (but Toronto as a city still has an American vibe).

 

Compare an Armenian from Montreal to one from Toronto to one from any city in the U.S. and you will immediately see how Quebec provides a much better environment to preserve one's culture. I can write about it, but it's only through traveling can one really see it.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

Sassun, I too am quite interested and following the current situation in Palestine. While I am happy the sellouts (Fatah) are being excluded from control in Gaza, it's kind of sad to see them killing each other in very gang-like ways (throwing off rooftops, firing squad style executions etc.) The problem with Arabs is that they are always divided and this division is caused by the Zionist controlled USA.

Yes. via False flag operations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flags

 

And of course, once you decide to do one thing that opposes what the USA wants, you are deemed a "radical, axis of evil, extremist, terrorist sponsor states, etc etc etc". It's the "in-thing" to do, calling one another a terrorist. Hamas, a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED (something the USA is built on and wants to supposedly share with the M.E.) political party is being isolated, persecuted, its people being starved (as a tactic to turn Palestinians against Hamas, of course) while next door neighbour Egypt is ANYTHING but democratic. That treacherous dog Hosni Mubarak is a dictator and a de facto president-for-life. And what about those Saudis? They are anything but democratic, they still have a powerful monarchy, the ruling family squeezes every inch of oil revenues and women can't even drive cars. Aren't these countries supposed to be priorities on the USA's list of countries to invade to "liberate the people" and "impose democracy"?

 

Anyway expect a full blockade and near starvation of Gaza by the Western countries so that the people revolt or move to an aid receiving West Bank where life will be better. Of course, the settlements in the West bank will increase while the powerless Mr. Abbas does nothing to stop it but whine a little for show.

Precisely. Check out this recent video interview of Sibel Edmonds by Hairenik TV in Boston, in which she describes the infiltration of the FBI by Turkish and Zionist agents:

http://hairenik.com/HairenikTV/HA_TV_Clip65.htm

 

(Sibel Edmonds was a former FBI translator for Middle Eastern languages. Not a bad looking Turk, either.. I'm sure she's got some Armenian in her. )

Edited June 16, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Sip]

Definitely agree. Canada, especially Quebec, is nothing like another U.S. state. (another myth of American media...

 

That in itself is a myth created by the US Media in YOUR mind.

 

[Shahan Araradian]

That in itself is a myth created by the US Media in YOUR mind.

Անկարելի: Մորցա՞ր թէ ես Ամերիկեան մամուլին չէմ հետեւիր:

 

Guys, How do I make the smiley face that is kissing another smiley face?

Edited June 16, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[AK-47]

Guys, How do I make the smiley face that is kissing another smiley face?

I'm not sure, try scrolling through the emoticon list (by clicking on Show All on the left) and see if you can find what you're looking for.

 

[Shahan Araradian]

And don't assume that you're the only one here who's lived in other places and therefore can draw conclusions

[Sip]

Անկարելի: Մորցա՞ր թէ ես Ամերիկեան մամուլին չէմ հետեւիր:

 

Then how do you know so much about it? You have mentioned everything from CNN, Fox, Homer Simpson to Borat. If you don't follow it, how do you know so much about it and how do you know that is what is causing people to disgree with you at times?

 

By the way, if you want to really know what some US popular media think about Canada, I would suggest watching some South Park. Try the movie (bigger longer uncut) for an indepth analysis of the views on Canada

[Sassun]

Sassun, I too am quite interested and following the current situation in Palestine. While I am happy the sellouts (Fatah) are being excluded from control in Gaza, it's kind of sad to see them killing each other in very gang-like ways (throwing off rooftops, firing squad style executions etc.) The problem with Arabs is that they are always divided and this division is caused by the Zionist controlled USA. And of course, once you decide to do one thing that opposes what the USA wants, you are deemed a "radical, axis of evil, extremist, terrorist sponsor states, etc etc etc". It's the "in-thing" to do, calling one another a terrorist. Hamas, a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED (something the USA is built on and wants to supposedly share with the M.E.) political party is being isolated, persecuted, its people being starved (as a tactic to turn Palestinians against Hamas, of course) while next door neighbour Egypt is ANYTHING but democratic. That treacherous dog Hosni Mubarak is a dictator and a de facto president-for-life. And what about those Saudis? They are anything but democratic, they still have a powerful monarchy, the ruling family squeezes every inch of oil revenues and women can't even drive cars. Aren't these countries supposed to be priorities on the USA's list of countries to invade to "liberate the people" and "impose democracy"?

Yeah, true. But the zionists are also banking on the hope that Hamas would not have responded and would have allowed Fateh to keep on terrorizing it day in day out, as was indeed happening in Gaza, with Dahlan's goons throwing Hamas men off rooftops (and not Hamas men throwing Fateh men off rooftops as they claim !). Hamas has dealt with Fateh men in the aftermath of the takeover quite decently I must add, something that Hamas members in West Bank, despite the fact that they have not done anything THERE, are not afforded! If it were up to me, I would have totally eliminated all those traitors, no questions asked. Once a traitor always a traitor. If you have it in you to betray your people then what are the chances that you might undergo radical change in your personality/character? Slim. Or rather, none! Considering the scale of the takeover and the seriousness of Hamas's wrath against Fateh terrorist actions which sparked and necessitated the takeover (as Khaled Mesha'al said, it was out of NECESSITY ! -- I agree with him, FULLY!!) , the number of Fateh men who escaped to Egypt, not numbering more than a 100, is tiny. And anyway, the Bush discourse has undergone 180 degrees change. At first the rhetoric focused on "democracy", but soon it turned out that this rhetoric was better replaced by the rhetoric of "moderate Arab regimes/leaders" (by moderate they mean the Saudis who cut off hands and do not allow a Bible in the country, Mubarak who flexes his muscles against unarmed Muslim Brotherhood politicians, the treacherous Hashemite ruling family, the Salafi-funding Siniora-Hariri gang and their blood-selling "hawkish" politicians and civilian-torturer thugs, the puppet Iraqi leader, Nuri al Maliki, etc.). Now of course, I am talking about changes in discourse and not doctrine. There never was a point at which the doctrine was really about democracy. Anyway, there is a newly-found love affair between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Can you imagine, they even allowed an Israeli reporter in Saudi Arabia, home to Mekkah and Madina !!!!!!!!!!!! I mean, if that is not the ultimate surrender and treason to the Arab cause, then I do not know what is !!! This was during the so-called circus of a meeting called the "Arab summit". If you want to have a laugh and really pity the Arabs for the joke that they have become, all you have to do is watch them at their so-called "summit". Even funnier is that both the Palestinians and Lebanese, but the latter more so, were bickering about which side is the legitimate representative of their people at the summit. So they both sent two delegations...

 

Anyway expect a full blockade and near starvation of Gaza by the Western countries so that the people revolt or move to an aid receiving West Bank where life will be better. Of course, the settlements in the West bank will increase while the powerless Mr. Abbas does nothing to stop it but whine a little for show.

The thing is, one would have expected that Israel would have fully, or almost fully withdrawn from West Bank in order to put the final nail in Hamas's coffin on the popular level, but that is something that will not happen, and the Fateh who are now loyal to Israeli interests and the Israeli "cause" , whatever that is, do not realize that the Israelis continue to remain their enemies and are not doing this for the beauty of their eyes... Someone capable of betraying his people is a reliable tool, but never a reliable and equal ally. The Israelis are appreciative of Fateh's treacherous nature, but they do not view them highly. Of course, that is because they are Palestinians, but that is just one part of it.. Though I maintain that Arab traitors and puppets are the most reliable of traitors/puppets that history has known!

 

This is the tragedy of the situation; it is like being stuck between a rock and a hard place, or trying to hold a stick both ends of which are sh*tty. Hamas is holding one end and Fateh the other, and they are pulling, and now the stick has given in to pressure and broken. Both of them are left with one sh*tty end of the stick. And the Saudis of all people have observed that the Palestinians have put the final nail in the coffin of the Palestinian cause. They missed out on the fact that they had already buried it.

 

Phew.. that was a lot to write at 6 a.m.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Sassun

[AK-47]

Try the movie (bigger longer uncut) for an indepth analysis of the views on Canada

Blame Canada?

[Sassun]

Indeed, it was once a great place pre-civil war days. My uncle and dad discuss it all the time. They've seen Lebanon during its best days. Today's generations have not yet experienced the full capability of the Lebanese life. Things there are much different than the other ME countries. The Muslim Arabs are nothing like Saudi Arabs, there is (or was?) an amazing nightlife, great beaches, great restaurants, 30 mins to Lerna Lipanan where after 9 pm you feel like you are in the skies and that it's really peaceful etc. (this all comes from my uncle, i think he should've been in the tourist business lol ) But anyway, it says alot about how it used to be and how the Zionists and their paychecks have ruined the country.

Lebanese night life is disgusting. There are too many desperate women on the loose. But then again I do not know night life anywhere else so I don't know if this is the norm or the exception. Anyway I no longer go to pubs and clubs, of course. I am glad I don't. Anyway, yes, a lot of Muslims in Lebanon are 'liberal' and go clubbing, drink alcohol, etc... I am much more into the coffee shop scene though, with some tawleh/nardi , some Arabic music , and nice company. Much better than desperate girls not getting off your back.

 

For me, the restaurant/nightlife/etc. scene is too artificial. I'd much rather stick to going to the beach for a walk and a falafel LOL.... more easy going... cheaper too. But we do have some of the best pakhlava... The beaches are somewhat dirty now (more American taxpayer money at work), and the roads are in miserable conditions (aside from the damage done by Israeli bombardments), littered with potholes some as deep as half a meter (good luck if you do not notice a new pothole while driving!). A favorite sport that the Lebanese practice is memorizing and recalling the locations of potholes on roads. Since there is a new pothole per day, the challenge is continuous and the memory game becomes all the more complicated. Then there are traffic lights in the middle of nowhere (and you are forced to stop for a good 5 minutes at a T-shaped intersection when there are no cars making a turn into the deserted street off the main road!!!!!!!!!!!!! loool after half a minute of stopping, people get annoyed, and look around to see if there are any cars, and if none, they just drive through the red light... ), aka deserted "downtown", which Hariri took over (some of the properties belonged to Armenians, who were offered a take-or-leave $10,000 in return for the entire plot of land or store they used to own before/during the civil war. Naturally, they refused to abandon their principles and take the money though their property was taken over!).

 

Old Lebanon, the thing that many Lebanese are nostalgic for (over-exaggerated, especially having in mind that even though the country at the time was the "Paris of the Middle East", large sections of its people, mostly Muslims, continued to wallow in abject poverty and political under-representation) is gone. Lebanon as they knew it, is gone. It has become a Saudi investment project. The Saudis are buying the country, one plot at a time.

Edited June 16, 2007 by Sassun

[Dave]

Saudis are buying everywhere!! :S If my memory serves me right, a Saudi and an American even bought this, an important landmark in Quebec city called Château Frontenac.

 

http://www.digitalapoptosis.com/archives/quebec/Chateau%20Frontenac.jpg

Edited June 16, 2007 by Dave

[Armenak]

Did the Lebanese bourgeoisie hire new Egyptian/Filipino/Sri Lankan maids and servants after their old ones fled during the conflict with Israel last year?

[Armenak]

Dave, I didn't know that.

 

When did that happen?

[Dave]

Here, I just found an article about it.

 

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/bu...77d&k=54358

[Sassun]

Did the Lebanese bourgeoisie hire new Egyptian/Filipino/Sri Lankan maids and servants after their old ones fled during the conflict with Israel last year?

Yeah no worries, there is ample supply of those...

 

I always say that if the Lebanese were willing to actually do such types of work, there'd be no unemployment problem in Lebanon. Lebanon has become a remittance-exporting country!!! And people wonder what is up with unemployment? Seriously, what can an Egyptian and Sri Lankan do that a Lebanese can't?

[Sassun]

Dave, the best solution is for the Shia in Saudi Arabia to revolt and establish independence there. They are sitting on top of all the oil wells, and the Sunnis are sitting on sand. :lol: That could solve a whole lot of problems in our region and stem the Saudi buy-up of property in Quebec.

[Sassun]

Saudis are buying everywhere!! :S If my memory serves me right, a Saudi and an American even bought this, an important landmark in Quebec city called Château Frontenac.

Congrats. They will turn it into a Salafi-Wahabi madrassah. :)

[AK-47]

Anyway, there is a newly-found love affair between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Can you imagine, they even allowed an Israeli reporter in Saudi Arabia, home to Mekkah and Madina !!!!!!!!!!!! I mean, if that is not the ultimate surrender and treason to the Arab cause, then I do not know what is !!! This was during the so-called circus of a meeting called the "Arab summit". If you want to have a laugh and really pity the Arabs for the joke that they have become, all you have to do is watch them at their so-called "summit". Even funnier is that both the Palestinians and Lebanese, but the latter more so, were bickering about which side is the legitimate representative of their people at the summit. So they both sent two delegations...

LOL the Arab league is more useless and powerless than the UN when it comes to politics. They are a joke. Gaddafi is smart to ridicule them and boycott them year after year. Most of them don't give a damn about the Palestinians and have already sold them out to their Zionist masters. Although, some of them are more open of the sellout (Egypt, Jordan) than others (Saudi, Kuweit).

[Shahan Araradian]

Then how do you know so much about it? You have mentioned everything from CNN, Fox, Homer Simpson to Borat. If you don't follow it, how do you know so much about it and how do you know that is what is causing people to disgree with you at times?

I used to watch it some years ago; but don't actively anymore. I now only see the "effects" on the American masses by my interactions with them. What's actually more telling is what you can also see by their LACK of action. (e.g. in regards to the bogus war in Iraq created by Zionist propaganda in the media and infiltration of the U.S. government).

 

Now having studied at a prestigious university in the Bay Area, I've also been exposed to the thinking type of American, too. They are fewer in number percentage-wise, and when I say "the masses" I don't mean them... "the masses" are really more typical of Southern California people... No offense, and please don't take it personal, and I don't mean you, Սիփան

 

By the way, if you want to really know what some US popular media think about Canada, I would suggest watching some South Park. Try the movie (bigger longer uncut) for an indepth analysis of the views on Canada

I think I'll pass on that one. Thanks for the thought, though.

[Shahan Araradian]

Lebanese night life is disgusting. There are too many desperate women on the loose.

Same in California, no matter what city. (But the women at clubs on Sunset Blvd (in L.A.) are particularly telling...)

Edited June 16, 2007 by Shahan Araradian

[Shahan Araradian]

Did the Lebanese bourgeoisie hire new Egyptian/Filipino/Sri Lankan maids and servants after their old ones fled during the conflict with Israel last year?

LOL what a question!

[Sip]

But the women at clubs on Sunset Blvd (in L.A.) are particularly telling...

 

I once happened to be driving through Sunset on Gay night. Unfortunately I was in an open jeep with no doors, windows, or roof .. before I knew it, I was sitting there, dead stop in the middle of traffic, surrounded by a sea of gays with frilly fuzzy boa snakes, all types of feathers, strange hats, etc ... If my friend's cute cousin (girl) hadn't been riding shotgun with me, I would have been in a world of trouble.

 

At times like that, I think a bit of Islam can't be that bad for these people.

[annannimusss]

Whats the problem with Saudia Arabia? My family lived and worked and made a good living there for ten years. Hell, my brother and sister were born there. They have good laws, fair laws, and if you respect the laws as a visitor you make a good living, if not, get your ass out. My mom even had to cover up head to toe in one city where my sister was born. Other cities not so much covering. The only reason my parents moved here was that the school system was a bit pricy and my dads work was ending. That little add on is for those who say why did you leave if it was so good there.

[Shahan Araradian]

if you or your dad really loved living like a street dog in Lebanon, I highly doubt you would choose to live here.

Ո՞վ ըսաւ հայրս Ամերիկայ է... Ո՞վ ըսաւ որ կ'ուզէ նոյնիսկ այցելել: Իրականութեան մէջ Ամերիկայի վրայէն նոյնիսկ օդանաւո՛վ չ'ուզէր անցնիլ... :wiggle_giggle:

Edited June 16, 2007 by Shahan Araradian