1985 Attack In Ottawa

[Takoush]

So kill one every now and then. Guns against bucks.

I am not suggesting that; but these guys being hot blooded and seeing all the wrongs that the turkish government have done throughout the years and are still doing it by denying the Genocide after taking a whole nation practically to the death holes; they have lost their patience.

 

However, I believe in reality that the Genocide cause is better to be dealt with diplomacy and tact; even though sometimes it is hard for some to control it and exercise more and more patience when some nations are being deceitful and playing vicious games with our just cause for some 90 plus years for their warped political agendas.

 

But yes I believe it is better to work with diplomacy.

Edited March 29, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi

[gamavor]

Haha. I think you are genociding me alive.

 

 

Yep! The good news is that you are not aware of it. The guests of the forum are

Edited March 29, 2007 by gamavor

[Takoush]

Yep! The good news is that you are not aware of it. The guests of the forum are

It's true.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2007 by Anahid Takouhi

[Boghos]

Armenian terrorism was much more a reflection of existing realities in Lebanon than a purely Armenian inspired movement.Bear in mind that in the 70s and early 80s there were countless "revolutionary" groups around the world.Many had trainning camps in Lebanon such as the Japanese Red Army, IRA and many others.

 

I think for example that comparing the heroes of Karabagh with these terrorists is a great mistake.

[Armenak]

What I find funny is how many Turks attempt to link these attacks (ASALA) to Armenia (which, during this period, was still the Armenian SSR).

[Boghos]

What I find funny is how many Turks attempt to link these attacks (ASALA) to Armenia (which, during this period, was still the Armenian SSR).

 

Turkish historiography is the worst collection of fairy tales, comes second after North Korea´s dynamic duo, Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

[yerevanforeigner6]

I don't really like use of threatening and acts of violence.

I'm sorry for that guard was killed. I think this kind of acts does not help meet their demand of forcing the Turkish government to admit the Armenian genocide took place...

 

[MosJan]

Yeah! More like barbarians. They were called the Ass-ALA.

 

The Ass is the Turkish ambassador who attempts to escape by jumping out a second-storey window who left behind his wife and the kids

 

 

[MosJan]

as for Armenian "revolutionary" organization

 

it was not a professionally organised hit

he did not even demand his demands normally

 

it was not a success

[Aubépine]

The Ass is the Turkish ambassador who attempts to escape by jumping out a second-storey window who left behind his wife and the kids

 

That happened in Ottawa? I vaguely remember something similar. He was heavily criticised back then. I wonder if his wife divorced him after that.

[yerevanforeigner6]

Barev all

 

I'm just asking why was my comment removed?

I didn't write anything offensive I think.

I only wrote that I don't like acts of violence.

[DominO123]

 

 

If the security guard was a Turd great ! Offcourse fedayee with misson complete... If they brought attention to a worthy cause by means of terror it was a success. We no longer take the path of terror nor require to forward our agenda, However every success story has just such examples! Israelies or Jews also used Terrorism to gain their independence during the 40's ... So, did the french, Partisan warfare under occupation of foriegn forces... We have a legimate gripe agaist the Turds and it's our turn to eradicate the myths of Osmanli empire, To this day denial fuels every Armenian to keep the fire alive only to remind us what will happen if we ever make a mistake to that caliber then we are doomed. So, We are unison Turkesh step back and forget panturanism or the wrath of Armenians awaits you and there won't me merci on our minds just vengence. Strange how we manage to hold a artificial nation of pigs who's numbers well over 70 million at ransom !? I guess your forfathers were right on the money a single Armenian can rule 13 Turks with the left hand... imagine what Armen can do with the right . Go, forward or get blasted back to Mongolia !

 

 

Armenians answer the call !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know what? I am honestly tired with this sort of crap.

 

 

[MosJan]

Barev all

 

I'm just asking why was my comment removed?

I didn't write anything offensive I think.

I only wrote that I don't like acts of violence.

 

 

are you sure ??

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?s=&showt...st&p=193919

[Arpa]

Turkish historiography is the worst collection of fairy tales, comes second after North Korea´s dynamic duo, Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

When one reads Turkish references to Armenians carefully, one will notice that more than half the time they implicate the Dashnaks/Tashnags, and seldom the other factions or Armenians as a whole. They blame the Dashnaks for everything all the way from 1880s to the lobbies in western countries, even the other big lobby is seldom mentioned. They even began to blame the dashnaks for the position the Kocharian administration vis a vis the Genocide and other ArmenoTurkish affairs. It is a calculated ploy to divide us and rule maybe.

Go ahead and search, see how many times things are blamed on the dashnaks.

The sad part is that some Armenians agree with them.

 

[AK-47]

Fedayees my foot. They killed one security guard. They got what they deserved.

It was not their fault they killed the security guard, he shot back and they had to answer. By the time the gunfire between the security guard was over, the ambassador and etc had heard of what was going on and the ambassador jumped out of the embassy, breaking alot of bones. It takes courage and dedication to even take part of such an attack. They are fedayees. Their tactics are questionable but like it or not, it did help in the getting attention of the genocide. Let's not forget that til about 1965, the world has forgotten. And terrorism wasn't as heavily criticized back then as today (after 9/11 mumbo jumbo). Today it is the ultimate "sin" to do. Such tactics would not work today. Today, it is diplomacy that will get us somewhere.

Edited March 29, 2007 by AK-47

[Aubépine]

It was not their fault they killed the security guard, he shot back and they had to answer. By the time the gunfire between the security guard was over, the ambassador and etc had heard of what was going on and the ambassador jumped out of the embassy, breaking alot of bones. It takes courage and dedication to even take part of such an attack. They are fedayees.

 

Killing innocent people takes courage and dedication? Whatever you say. You should follow in their footsteps to see what happens.

[AK-47]

When one reads Turkish references to Armenians carefully, one will notice that more than half the time they implicate the Dashnaks/Tashnags, and seldom the other factions or Armenians as a whole. They blame the Dashnaks for everything all the way from 1880s to the lobbies in western countries, even the other big lobby is seldom mentioned. They even began to blame the dashnaks for the position the Kocharian administration vis a vis the Genocide and other ArmenoTurkish affairs. It is a calculated ploy to divide us and rule maybe.

Go ahead and search, see how many times things are blamed on the dashnaks.

The sad part is that some Armenians agree with them.

Totally agreed.

[AK-47]

Killing innocent people takes courage and dedication? Whatever you say. You should follow in their footsteps to see what happens.

Look buddy, I did not say I will follow their footsteps, I cannot and I wouldn't follow their footsteps, if you would read what I wrote after that, you just cannot kill people to make a point in this day and age. The situation was different back then. Such tactics were used by 50 different factions in the world, such tactics that are used today by the Mossad and other secret services. The official was an official representative of denial in a foreign country of something that has affected all of us. Yes, he was innocent when it comes to the genocide (except for the fact that he was trying to influence and spread denial) but please analyse the situation back then. There was no Armenia, terrorism was the in-thing, 60-70 years had passed since the genocide and no country was willing to hear any of it (with the possible exception of Uruguay, not a major power) and most of these men still had grandparents or parents alive that had survived the genocide. Frustrations build to a boiling point where you become desperate and desperation made them follow such tactics.

 

It is wrong to kill innocent people but please don't go bashing these men. They are in prison because they believed it was the right path to follow so the other generation would live in an age w/out denial. Be proud that today there are 21 countries that have refused to deny genocide, including Canada, the place where the attack took place.

[Takoush]

When one reads Turkish references to Armenians carefully, one will notice that more than half the time they implicate the Dashnaks/Tashnags, and seldom the other factions or Armenians as a whole. They blame the Dashnaks for everything all the way from 1880s to the lobbies in western countries, even the other big lobby is seldom mentioned. They even began to blame the dashnaks for the position the Kocharian administration vis a vis the Genocide and other ArmenoTurkish affairs. It is a calculated ploy to divide us and rule maybe.

Go ahead and search, see how many times things are blamed on the dashnaks.

The sad part is that some Armenians agree with them.

You have a good point Arpa. Even throughout the 1915 era; it's always on their lips to say Dashnaks this and Dashnaks that. I believe the Henchagians were even older than the Dashnaks. And then the others came along. You are wise to see through these things and analyze them. So what to do? Simply be aware of it and start mingling with each other more so, leave behind us the differences we have had in the past, and that goes to especially of our various organizations and our churches too, I hope....I hope soon.

[Aubépine]

Look buddy, I did not say I will follow their footsteps, I cannot and I wouldn't follow their footsteps, if you would read what I wrote after that, you just cannot kill people to make a point in this day and age. The situation was different back then. Such tactics were used by 50 different factions in the world, such tactics that are used today by the Mossad and other secret services. The official was an official representative of denial in a foreign country of something that has affected all of us. Yes, he was innocent when it comes to the genocide (except for the fact that he was trying to influence and spread denial) but please analyse the situation back then. There was no Armenia, terrorism was the in-thing, 60-70 years had passed since the genocide and no country was willing to hear any of it (with the possible exception of Uruguay, not a major power) and most of these men still had grandparents or parents alive that had survived the genocide. Frustrations build to a boiling point where you become desperate and desperation made them follow such tactics.

 

It is wrong to kill innocent people but please don't go bashing these men. They are in prison because they believed it was the right path to follow so the other generation would live in an age w/out denial. Be proud that today there are 21 countries that have refused to deny genocide, including Canada, the place where the attack took place.

 

I can understand where they were coming from and their motivations for it. I know that you can't separate it from the context of what their grandparents went through and no one acknowledging it and at a time where terrorism was seen as "glamorous." But it still not justifiable back then and today. You shouldn't kill people to make a point, end of period. There are other ways to get your message across. If they had done it in any other way I would have even respected them for it. They have thrown away their lives for nothing. They have wasted their best years in prison. They have missed out on all those things that you and I take for granted.

[Shahan Araradian]

It's really quite simple:

 

The victims of an atrocity don't forget it for generations, since they are scarred in their everyday living. (e.g. Mom, why are we growing up in Lebanon, and not in Van where we're from?)

 

The perpetrators of an atrocity forget about it, since they weren't scarred in any way. (e.g. Armenians? What Armenians? In Van?)

 

I therefore find it surprising that Turds find it surprising that Armenians still remember and continue to bear the torch in the recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

 

I am living proof, too.

 

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... Even more, the living write (or re-write) history. Americans did the same to the Native Americans... (It's only recently where you find a true account of how the Native Americans were butchered.) If you're living with barbarians like Turds, it's kill or be killed. They continually have refused peace throughout history. And this approach to life is unsustainable for both Armenian and Turk alike.

 

Want an arms race? I promise you will get one. Want peace? I promise you will get one.

[hosank]

Yeah! More like barbarians. They were called the Ass-ALA.

 

actually, it wasn't ASALA that did the attack..

 

anyways

i do not question their motives, but i do their tactics...

i don't see how storming an embassy will grant them recognition...it would only do the opposite, and as a result, it would harm the entire armenian cause.

[Dave]

Don't forget that the embassy's land is technically Turkish land; that security guard was in reality playing the role of a Turkish soldier who's defending it. That's what I think, at least...

 

He could have given up instead.

He could have not taken the job.

 

Anyway, the Armenians had to capture the attention of the world, and to do that, they had to act. Between 1915 and 1975, all the mourning and prayers didn't do much. Between 1975 and 1985, a few gunshots did a lot. Back then, staying still and hoping for reconciliation (or for Western Armenia being presented to us on a silver plate) wasn't an option.

 

Oh, and those of you who are saying that it's because of the situation in Lebanon, well, more than half of the worldwide Western Armenian population resided in Lebanon/Syria back then. It was clearly an Armenian thing.

[Dave]

French version is longer.

 

http://archives.radio-canada.ca/IDC-0-13-2...assade_turquie/

 

and

 

http://archives.radio-canada.ca/IDCC-0-13-...assade_turquie/

 

Oh, I just remembered.

Even the Quebecers used to do terrorism back then.

 

http://english.republiquelibre.org/manifesto-flq.html

Edited March 30, 2007 by Dave

[vava]

Oh, I just remembered.

Even the Quebecers used to do terrorism back then.

 

http://english.republiquelibre.org/manifesto-flq.html

 

And where did that get them? Quebec, once the jewel of Canada, has never recovered from economic fall-out that was the direct result of the nationalism that gave rise to the support of the FLQ. Even in this last federal budget, Quebec is described as a "have-not" province.... worst part is, Quebecers seem to be happy with that description (so they get more $$$) Pretty sad if you ask me....