Nothing New To Say But Still...

[Johannes]

Պահանջքը, պէտքը, ստեղծագործութեան մայրն է: Մարդիկ պէտք զգացին կրօններու եւ ստեղծեցին զայն՝ իրենց պահանջներուն համեմատ: Առաջին դաւանագիրները (գաղափարախօս) հնարեցին դրախտի եւ դժոխքի առասպելները, որպէսզի մարդկութիւնը կրթեն: Մարդիկ մտածեցին եւ անընդունելի նկատեցին թէ՝ «այսքան կեանք, այսքան խինդ ու ծիծաղ, այսքան յուշ, ցաւ ու վիշտ, այսքան աշխատանք եւ յարաբերութիւն (ընտանեկան, բարեկամական) պիտի թողնենք ու երթա՞նք առյաւէտ, մեր հետ տանելով այդ ամէնը: Չէ չի կրնար ըլլալ, որ կեանքն այսքան անխիղճ է: Չէ ոչ, երկրաւոր կեանքէն վէրջ երկնային կեանքը կայ, որտեղ արդարները՝ դրախտ, անիրաւները՝ դժոխք կ'երթան: Դրախտի մէջ կը վերագտնենք մեր սիրելիները եւ մեր յուշերը» եւայլն:

 

Չեմ գիտեր: Աստուած մեր մէջ է: Դրախտն ու դժոխքը այստեղ է: Արփայի ըսածի պէս.«մեր զաւակներու ընդմէջէն կը շարունակուի մեր կեանքը»: Այս է գաղտնիքը, պապ ու թոռնիկի միջեւ աննկարագրելի սիրոյ եւ հարազատութեան: Երանի այն մարդուն, զոր կը վայելէ իր թոռնիկի ընկերութիւնը: Երանի այն երեխային, որ կը վայելէ գուրգուրանքը՝ պապ ու տատիկի:

[_femme333_]

Maybe you need to get married and have kids?

Perhaps that's one thing that might fulfill your life.

 

Ignore the post if you're already married and have children.

 

[Armat]

Maybe you need to get married and have kids?

Perhaps that's one thing that might fulfill your life.

 

Ignore the post if you're already married and have children.

 

I did something at work which I should of had done and I came home saying to myself "please God let me not get fired" h@?

Now that's coming from an atheist.

Weird ,very weird.I came close to dying twice in accidents and both times I also prayed for my life.Pathetic! There is something wrong here.One can't be an athist and remember God in crises or maybe its normal?Like last resort,hope etc.YeahYeahYeah but I could of prayed in front of my bicycle but didn't.

Sometimes we ourselves don't even know the answers.I simply don't know and can't explain my experiences of praying in crises.

[Em]

I did something at work which I should of had done and I came home saying to myself "please God let me not get fired" h@?

Now that's coming from an atheist.

Weird ,very weird.I came close to dying twice in accidents and both times I also prayed for my life.Pathetic! There is something wrong here.One can't be an athist and remember God in crises or maybe its normal?Like last resort,hope etc.YeahYeahYeah but I could of prayed in front of my bicycle but didn't.

Sometimes we ourselves don't even know the answers.I simply don't know and can't explain my experiences of praying in crises.

 

 

Very interesting indeed. Maybe it is instinctual, involuntary..maybe faith is built in..like your body's defense mechanism. Maybe God is inside us no matter how much we want to deny him.

 

Or maybe I am totally off. I am still debating all this myself. And yet I find that prayer is never missing from my lips.... and.... "shnorhakal em Astvats" is my waking thought and last sentence uttered before sleep.

[aSoldier]

Very interesting indeed. Maybe it is instinctual, involuntary..maybe faith is built in..like your body's defense mechanism. Maybe God is inside us no matter how much we want to deny him.

 

Or maybe I am totally off. I am still debating all this myself. And yet I find that prayer is never missing from my lips.... and.... "shnorhakal em Astvats" is my waking thought and last sentence uttered before sleep.

 

That is beautiful

 

[Takoush]

Very interesting indeed. Maybe it is instinctual, involuntary..maybe faith is built in..like your body's defense mechanism. Maybe God is inside us no matter how much we want to deny him.

 

Or maybe I am totally off. I am still debating all this myself. And yet I find that prayer is never missing from my lips.... and.... "shnorhakal em Astvats" is my waking thought and last sentence uttered before sleep.

That is very nice and beautiful!!!!

 

I find myself praying every day much more so ever since I became a mother. After all, most of us grew up to be well thanks to our Armenian mothers' prayers!

 

 

[vava]

I did something at work which I should of had done and I came home saying to myself "please God let me not get fired" h@?

Now that's coming from an atheist.

Weird ,very weird.I came close to dying twice in accidents and both times I also prayed for my life.Pathetic! There is something wrong here.One can't be an athist and remember God in crises or maybe its normal?Like last resort,hope etc.YeahYeahYeah but I could of prayed in front of my bicycle but didn't.

Sometimes we ourselves don't even know the answers.I simply don't know and can't explain my experiences of praying in crises.

 

Don't know for certain, but I've read that frequently in the case of dying soldiers, they either cry to god or their mother. I think it's probably some sort of innate reaction. Perfectly normal Armat jan...

[Stormig]

Don't know for certain, but I've read that frequently in the case of dying soldiers, they either cry to god or their mother. I think it's probably some sort of innate reaction. Perfectly normal Armat jan...

Agreed. It is learned behaviour - learned from peers, from the media, family, you name it.

[Sip]

When my life is in danger, I am a lot more likely to say "Oh Sh!t" than "Oh God". Does this mean I have faith in Sh!t?

[Sip]

By the way, the best strategy that I have seen in such situations was displayed by none other than my hero, Homer Simpson. As you may recall, when facing certain death when being charged at by a huge rhino, his immediate reaction was to scream:

 

"Jesus, Allah, Buddha, I love you all."

[DominO123]

Don't know for certain, but I've read that frequently in the case of dying soldiers, they either cry to god or their mother. I think it's probably some sort of innate reaction. Perfectly normal Armat jan...

 

It is an interesting human behavior, crying to the percieved suprem autority of all for the person, for the soldier, in his subconsciousness (from childhood) the mother or god.

 

Anyway, this interesting thread was left to die.

 

Is there a god? Yes, no? or else?

 

Fascinating that we humans can't even understand our universe in full, but yet places a judgement on the existance or non-existance of its possible creator.

 

The universe is so magical, extraordinary and has impressed us always and still does on the way it exist also going higher than our expectations. Who us simple idiots with under 2 kg of brain mass think that the universe is so simple as yes or no's in foundamental questions such as a god, dead, bith, life and no matter what. The universe way will always beat our highest expectations with no idiotics and simplistic answers such a dumb yes or no.

 

I wonder with all the travels Sip did, once was he compleatly out of civilisation and out from light pollution to whatch the sky and see our galaxy so bright and wonder what evolutionary advantages could there be for our mystical fascination for anything beyond Earth.

Edited November 4, 2007 by Domino

[Armat]

It is an interesting human behavior, crying to the percieved suprem autority of all for the person, for the soldier, in his subconsciousness (from childhood) the mother or god.

 

Anyway, this interesting thread was left to die.

 

Is there a god? Yes, no? or else?

 

Fascinating that we humans can't even understand our universe in full, but yet places a judgement on the existance or non-existance of its possible creator.

 

The universe is so magical, extraordinary and has impressed us always and still does on the way it exist also going higher than our expectations. Who us simple idiots with under 2 kg of brain mass think that the universe is so simple as yes or no's in foundamental questions such as a god, dead, bith, life and no matter what. The universe way will always beat our highest expectations with no idiotics and simplistic answers such a dumb yes or no.

 

I wonder with all the travels Sip did, once was he completely out of civilization and out from light pollution to whatch the sky and see our galaxy so bright and wonder what evolutionary advantages could there be for our mystical fascination for anything beyond Earth.

Do I think God Exist?NO

I find it almost laughable the whole Adam/Eve story.When a earthquake happens,innocent get slaughter,kids getting cancer where is GOD?If God created people he/she/it did a horrible job.Too many defects.One can argue those defects were in place for a reason but I am not buying.

God is a creation for our ultra ego and nothing else.

 

[Armat]

Do I think God Exist?NO

I find it almost laughable the whole Adam/Eve story.When a earthquake happens,innocent get slaughter,kids getting cancer where is GOD?If God created people he/she/it did a horrible job.Too many defects.One can argue those defects were in place for a reason but I am not buying.

God is a creation for our ultra ego and nothing else.

If I none believer is meant to go hell then be it at least I will kick the crap out of Kemals,Envers and Talats

 

[AVO]

You might want to see the video in this thread

 

http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=16984

[DominO123]

Do I think God Exist?NO

I find it almost laughable the whole Adam/Eve story.When a earthquake happens,innocent get slaughter,kids getting cancer where is GOD?If God created people he/she/it did a horrible job.Too many defects.One can argue those defects were in place for a reason but I am not buying.

God is a creation for our ultra ego and nothing else.

 

You are an artist, you paint, can you produce on your canvas something which is not comming from you? What I mean is that if good and bad are universal concepts, can bad come from something which is only good? Take a clean tissue can it have dirt on it if you put it in a clean water?

 

If a god having creating everything is true, that god is not all good, so innocents getting killed, kids getting cancer could be understood in the perspective of an imperfect god. A god could have very well created the system and not bother much of it, or could even be dead by now.

 

We can start hypothetising, the possibilities exist, and it is reasonable to think that under the circumstances taking a position would be taking the wrong move. Have you ever watched the sky in a compleat darkness far from cities light? This fascination, this mystical sensation, this state of mind can not be explained by evolutionary behavior.

 

[aSoldier]

Do I think God Exist?NO

I find it almost laughable the whole Adam/Eve story.When a earthquake happens,innocent get slaughter,kids getting cancer where is GOD?If God created people he/she/it did a horrible job.Too many defects.One can argue those defects were in place for a reason but I am not buying.

God is a creation for our ultra ego and nothing else.

 

Ahh yet again we are faced with same old questions...judging by your posts you know very little about god and yet you think you understand him and even tell us why he exists..wow those are some pretty big assumptions..if he did such a bad job why dont you take over?

[Armat]

Ahh yet again we are faced with same old questions...judging by your posts you know very little about god and yet you think you understand him and even tell us why he exists..wow those are some pretty big assumptions..if he did such a bad job why dont you take over?

True.I never claimed to know God.I guess I am unfortunate category.I have to overcome a lot to believe myths like Adams/Eve,Floods (just about every culture has a disaster myth) Resurrection (idea copied from Egyptians and Egyptians copied from Assyrians and Sumarians)

See?Too much for me to overcome.

[Armat]

Domino and others check this out

See the Video here

Elegant Universe -- Can String Theory detect God?

[DominO123]

Domino and others check this out

See the Video here

Elegant Universe -- Can String Theory detect God?

 

Armat, follow the link provided, it was a PBS series, we already discussed it in the past. Not really to do with a god though.

[DominO123]

Ahh yet again we are faced with same old questions...judging by your posts you know very little about god and yet you think you understand him and even tell us why he exists..wow those are some pretty big assumptions..if he did such a bad job why dont you take over?

 

I laught at your professed knowledge.

[Sip]

I wonder with all the travels Sip did, once was he compleatly out of civilisation and out from light pollution to whatch the sky and see our galaxy so bright and wonder what evolutionary advantages could there be for our mystical fascination for anything beyond Earth.

 

Anytime I think about the Universe I end up realizing that "significance_of_humanity == 0". I find it strange that those who want to claim "God" created the Universe and the humans are also trying to make the case that God somehow has any interest in what we humans do.

 

If God created the Universe in all its vastness, he or she will not give a damn about something sooooooooooooooo utterly irrelevant and insignificant (in the big picture) as "humanity". We mean NOTHING in the scale of the Universe (let alone multiverse ).

Edited November 5, 2007 by Sip

[Armat]

Anytime I think about the Universe I end up realizing that "significance_of_humanity == 0". I find it strange that those who want to claim "God" created the Universe and the humans are also trying to make the case that God somehow has any interest in what we humans do.

 

If God created the Universe in all its vastness, he or she will not give a damn about something sooooooooooooooo utterly irrelevant and insignificant (in the big picture) as "humanity". We mean NOTHING in the scale of the Universe (let alone multiverse ).

Sip

I am not joking but this is far the best sharpest comment I read on God.Like it a lot.

Here is what I suspect we feel.

Universe and everything in it including humans are made with the same substanc but vibrate on different level and that substance say the building block of everything is in us as well so we do feel at weird interludes something profound but can't explain exactly.

I think Heaven,Hell and all the religious fantasy are man made that is figment of our imagination.Universe is a brutal place and like you said we are nothing in comparison.

[Ani]

Dear Armat, I've missed your posts on Hyeforum. Maybe because the old gang of you, Sasun, Domino, Eve, Edward, etc. are not around so much anymore, or have stopped posting altogether, visiting the forum is not the same anymore. I think we used to have many meaningful discussions (and some silly ones too, I admit!).

 

Your comment about Khachaturian's music prompted me to listen to one of his works - "Nocturne" from Masquerade. It's gorgeous.

 

Yes...Why?? Late again...??

 

[aSoldier]

I don't know if I should even try..

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaMRPoVDOs4

[Sip]

Ok I sat through the whole 7 minutes. What's the point of that video? The guy spent 7 minutes trying to argue that the universe must have had a beginning. Should I file this in the "well, duh!" folder?

 

By the way, the Big Bang theorists do a MUCH better job at making a case for the "finite universe" than the line of reasoning this guy was trying to pursue with this "infinite hotel" talk. Also, mathematically, he made some very questionable statements in my opinion.

 

For example, if x is infinite and y is infinite, he was making it sound like you can then conclude x and y are the same quantity which I think is a very dangerous (and wrong) way of thinking about infinity.

Edited November 6, 2007 by Sip