Stanford Shaw Dies

[DominO123]

Alterior motives!!!!!

Job opportunities at the university and be worshiped by turks. I don't believe for one minute that he did it only for freedom of speech.

 

Doesn't make sense, like I said, he is not a historian. I think he is just an old eccentric artist who wanted attention.

[Yervant1]

Doesn't make sense, like I said, he is not a historian. I think he is just an old eccentric artist who wanted attention.

Does it have to be a historian to have a say about the French genocide bill?

Politicians are not historians and yet they make or break lots of issues nowadays.

Turks will use any person historian or not to push their agenda, this guy whom you call old eccentric is a smart person who knows how to milk the naive turks and get what he wants by using the Armenian suffering just like the others.

[Hellektor]

No, it's because of people like Stanford Shaw. Bernard Lewis. Bruce Fein. Shimon Peres. Rivka Kohen. Cheryl Kagan. Bruce Ramer. The jewish lobbies. The state of israel, all of whom lend their total support and resources to turkish denialism.

Add Daniel Fried, Brenda Shaffer, Ariel Cohen and his "Heritage" Foundation or indeed all those "foundations" with humanitarian names such as "Human" Rights This, "Human" Rights That, "Freedom" House Here, Strategic "Studies" There, all those George Soros founded whorehouses such as "International" Crisis Group and all his "offices" in the ex-Union of Soviet Sionist "Republics", that are responsible for those colorful Yiddish "revolutions", etc. to the list.

 

And it's very unfortunate that Israelis and Israel is against our Genocidal acceptance. It's sheer shame when I always have sympathized with them for their misfortunes; but they are not at all sympathyzing for us now.

Dear Anahid Takouhi,

 

Personally, I don't give a damn for any state to recognize the AG or anyone to shed crocodile tears for us. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm ungrateful to those who have done so. And contrary to QueBeceR's view I wouldn't complain about the French law and I hope it will be adopted. There's a beautiful saying in Persian that goes "You do not count the teeth of a horse offered to you". I think Armenians nagging against this law just make themselves ridiculous in the eyes of the world.

 

We complain when no one is giving us anything and we complain when someone does. For instance Aznavour had protested that the law should be for all genocides but Mr. Aznavour, which other genocide is being denied besides that of the Armenians? The only other one is already protected by an exclusive law passed in different European countries. I don't care whether they had an interest in doing so. We have lost 90% of our homeland as the result of genocide. A timid "recognition" and a fake apology don't cut it AT ALL. The perpetrator must be punished. Retribution dear, retribution!

 

The problem however is that the state of Israel officially denies the Armenian genocide. That's where it hurts. I don't expect them to feel for us as another poster is questioning why they should. If they could just as much as refrain from screwing us over, I would have no problem whatsoever regarding the YHWH's "chosen".

[DominO123]

Does it have to be a historian to have a say about the French genocide bill?

Politicians are not historians and yet they make or break lots of issues nowadays.

Turks will use any person historian or not to push their agenda, this guy whom you call old eccentric is a smart person who knows how to milk the naive turks and get what he wants by using the Armenian suffering just like the others.

 

My point was about the said job opportunity. What position can they give this man? If I were Turkey, I would spend money on some professional historian than an artist that made his time.

[neko]

There's a beautiful saying in Persian that goes "You do not count the teeth of a horse offered to you". I think Armenians nagging against this law just make themselves ridiculous in the eyes of the world.

 

It's a lot more beautiful in its English equivalent - "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth". The Turkish equivalent is "Bahshish verdigi atin dishine", BTW.

[neko]

I think he is just an old eccentric artist who wanted attention.

And guess what we are now giving him!

[Yervant1]

My point was about the said job opportunity. What position can they give this man? If I were Turkey, I would spend money on some professional historian than an artist that made his time.

He got the academic position and citizenship just like that.

Thibaux accepted an academic position offered by Turkey's Akdeniz University and declared he would become a Turkish citizen in response to the Armenian genocide bill approved in the French Parliament in October 2005.

[DominO123]

He got the academic position and citizenship just like that.

 

Yes! But the offer only happened after he requested citizenship, there is no evidences that he was proposed for this position before his decision. It would not make sense, Turkey hire professional historians to do the job, and this is what they need.

[Takoush]

Dear Anahid Takouhi,

 

Personally, I don't give a damn for any state to recognize the AG or anyone to shed crocodile tears for us. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm ungrateful to those who have done so. And contrary to QueBeceR's view I wouldn't complain about the French law and I hope it will be adopted. There's a beautiful saying in Persian that goes "You do not count the teeth of a horse offered to you". I think Armenians nagging against this law just make themselves ridiculous in the eyes of the world.

 

We complain when no one is giving us anything and we complain when someone does. For instance Aznavour had protested that the law should be for all genocides but Mr. Aznavour, which other genocide is being denied besides that of the Armenians? The only other one is already protected by an exclusive law passed in different European countries. I don't care whether they had an interest in doing so. We have lost 90% of our homeland as the result of genocide. A timid "recognition" and a fake apology don't cut it AT ALL. The perpetrator must be punished. Retribution dear, retribution!

 

The problem however is that the state of Israel officially denies the Armenian genocide. That's where it hurts. I don't expect them to feel for us as another poster is questioning why they should. If they could just as much as refrain from screwing us over, I would have no problem whatsoever regarding the YHWH's "chosen".

Hellektor,

 

When I talked about feeling for other nationalities' losses and tears, my motives for speaking about this was not just sheading tears; but of course for Israelites and Israel to accept our Genocide and not to stand beside our enemy the turks and help them further to deny our rights. I am well aware that Israel now is denying our rights of Genocidal acceptance. Do you think for a minute that it doesn't make my blood boil or doesn't make me very unhappy? Of cours it does; but at the same time I try to act like a sane woman and try to compromise and try to workout, discuss and dispute with them our differences, rather than to come head on fighting fiercely and lose a great deal in doing so.

 

And I also don't wish to create hard times and annoyances to our Administrators.

 

But when it comes to talks about retribution; of course I totally agree that the enemy must pay and plenty.

Edited December 29, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[Yervant1]

Turkey hire professional historians to do the job, and this is what they need.

Do I really care what Turkey needs or are you a consultant for them?

Remember Turkey also hired Weems who is hardly a historian and others like him.

[DominO123]

Do I really care what Turkey needs or are you a consultant for them?

Remember Turkey also hired Weems who is hardly a historian and others like him.

 

Not exactly, Weems was not chosen by Turkey. Weems is a similar cases, he was not offered a job. He had a Turkish wife and landed in Turkey to make a documentary.

 

Not everyone who support Turkey are first hired. Some get hired after their initial position, eccentricity in this cases from a rotten artist is what seems to be the reason.

[Yervant1]

Not exactly, Weems was not chosen by Turkey. Weems is a similar cases, he was not offered a job. He had a Turkish wife and landed in Turkey to make a documentary.

 

Not everyone who support Turkey are first hired. Some get hired after their initial position, eccentricity in this cases from a rotten artist is what seems to be the reason.

Who cares for whatever reasons they get hired before or after, they all use AG for their personal profits.

[Hellektor]

Hellektor,

 

When I talked about feeling for other nationalities' losses and tears, my motives for speaking about this was not just sheading tears; but of course for Israelites and Israel to accept our Genocide and not to stand beside our enemy the turks and help them further to deny our rights. I am well aware that Israel now is denying our rights of Genocidal acceptance. Do you think for a minute that it doesn't make my blood boil or doesn't make me very unhappy? Of cours it does; but at the same time I try to act like a sane woman and try to compromise and try to workout, discuss and dispute with them our differences, rather than to come head on fighting fiercely and lose a great deal in doing so.

 

And I also don't wish to create hard times and annoyances to our Administrators.

 

But when it comes to talks about retribution; of course I totally agree that the enemy must pay and plenty.

Anahid Takouhi jan,

 

You sound angry. It was in no way my intention to make you mad. I quoted you just as an example of what all the others are saying namely, why we should sympathize with certain people and why certain people don't sympathize with us.

 

What I meant was, I for my part am not looking for crocodile tears but a bit of decency and humanity which I don't see anywhere in the "civilized" world. That's all!

[DominO123]

Who cares for whatever reasons they get hired before or after, they all use AG for their personal profits.

 

I agree, but we still don't know if he denies the Armenian genocide. He disagreed with the law, with the same law I disagree on, but I am for sure not a denier.

[Takoush]

Anahid Takouhi jan,

 

You sound angry. It was in no way my intention to make you mad. I quoted you just as an example of what all the others are saying namely, why we should sympathize with certain people and why certain people don't sympathize with us.

 

What I meant was, I for my part am not looking for crocodile tears but a bit of decency and humanity which I don't see anywhere in the "civilized" world. That's all!

No Hellektor, I'm not angry, but at the same token I don't wish my intentions not to be understood either. As a matter of fact I understand you entirely. It is not important to have anyone's sympathy now after so many years; but some action is required. You are right, and I also agree with you that I don't wish to stand between the French law's passing. For haven's sake we struggled now for over 90 years to have those turks to accept our Genocide and they fought against us with every which way they could; bribery, venality, corruption, you name it they did it, then why? why should we stand on the way of France's passing that law now in favor for us and our just cause? It wouldn't make sense as far as I am concerned, it wouldn't make sense at all.

[Yervant1]

I agree, but we still don't know if he denies the Armenian genocide. He disagreed with the law, with the same law I disagree on, but I am for sure not a denier.

I bet he is a deniar. There are lots of people who disagreed with the bill, show me another person who wanted to be a Turkish citizen and change their names into Turkish name move to Turkey and get an academic job.

I wonder where was he when the same law about holocaust passed? Why did he not ask for German citizenship and change his name in order to protest the unjust law in his opinion.

[Hellektor]

No Hellektor, I'm not angry, but at the same token I don't wish my intentions not to be understood either. As a matter of fact I understand you entirely. It is not important to have anyone's sympathy now after so many years; but some action is required. You are right, and I also agree with you that I don't wish to stand between the French law's passing. For haven's sake we struggled now for over 90 years to have those turks to accept our Genocide and they fought against us with every which way they could; bribery, venality, corruption, you name it they did it, then why?

Dear Anahid Takouhi,

 

Good to see we agree on some points. I have to repeat myself, and I think this is very important, the recognition of the AG is not ինքնանպատակ. What if Jurkey accepted and apologized? So what?

 

After the Recognition, comes Restoration and Retribution, the three Rs we should never forget for one second. What I'm saying is, even in a case where Genocideland does not recognize the AG, and sometime in the future when Armenia becomes strong enough, we have to do anything we can to get the other Rs at any price. I'm saying this, because the Turks refuse to recognize exactly for this reason.

 

Can we wait a thousand years until the savages lick up the crap they put us through or shouldn't we, when we get the chance, shove it down their muzzles?

 

why should we stand on the way of France's passing that law now in favor for us and our just cause? It wouldn't make sense as far as I am concerned, it wouldn't make sense at all.

Dear, I also said I'm 100% behind the law and I even cited a Persian proverb and put a question to Mr. Aznavour to rebuke those who criticize it.

[Takoush]

Dear Anahid Takouhi,

 

Good to see we agree on some points. I have to repeat myself, and I think this is very important, the recognition of the AG is not ինքնանպատակ. What if Jurkey accepted and apologized? So what?

 

After the Recognition, comes Restoration and Retribution, the three Rs we should never forget for one second. What I'm saying is, even in a case where Genocideland does not recognize the AG, and sometime in the future when Armenia becomes strong enough, we have to do anything we can to get the other Rs at any price. I'm saying this, because the Turks refuse to recognize exactly for this reason.

 

Can we wait a thousand years until the savages lick up the crap they put us through or shouldn't we, when we get the chance, shove it down their muzzles?

 

Hellektor jan:

 

I understood everything you said the first time and I have always been in agreement to everything you said and say. Again, when I said for certain nationalities having feelings for us; I thought you understood "lerelyayn" that I am asking them to redeem themselves and start acting like human beings and really act democratically for the love of God, and not just by words democratically but by deeds. I am basically and mostly speaking about Israel's and Brittain's stand and also U.S.A.'s. All three claim that as if they are democratic but they are not acting it? They are kissing the turks' behind always, in the past and until today, and that's disturbing for all of us (Armenians); not just you and me; but all the patriotic Armenians throughout the world.

 

And I am well aware the turks' games about the acceptance of the AG from the ghethgo. Of course; they have always been afraid to accept it as you justly put it out. First comes Recognition, then comes Restoration and then Retribution. But that's exactly what they are afraid of and that's why they give all kinds of threats to U.S.'s High Officials, to Britain and basically to the European countries. They are afraid that we'll want our lands back. Oh boy they are afraid of that. Well that's just too bad. When the time comes we will get it. We will get our lands back one by one.

Dear, I also said I'm 100% behind the law and I even cited a Persian proverb and put a question to Mr. Aznavour to rebuke those who criticize it.

I know Hellektor. On this subject I wasn't referring about you as I am in full agreement with you. I was referring to other people in here that you said that they were against it. Not you.

Edited December 31, 2006 by Anahid Takouhi

[Verginne]

I bet he is a deniar. There are lots of people who disagreed with the bill, show me another person who wanted to be a Turkish citizen and change their names into Turkish name move to Turkey and get an academic job.

I wonder where was he when the same law about holocaust passed? Why did he not ask for German citizenship and change his name in order to protest the unjust law in his opinion.

 

Where was he? Actively PROMOTING the law about the jewish adventures of WWII. I tried doing some searching about this slimeball and found that he is awfully fond of writing about all kinds of jewish concerns, which is highly, highly suspicious to me. Something stinks about him, and it is a familiar smell.

[phantom22]

Verginne,

 

Although I don't like the tone of your comment, I believe that you are 100% CORRECT.

 

My hunch is also that this Thibaux is of the extraction that you allude to.

 

You see, since I have an odar surname and not an Armenian one, I am more attuned to recognizing Jews who have surnames and identities that one would not suspect for a person of Jewish background.

 

I remember being surprised that the blond Anglo-Saxon appearing fresman college roomate who was assigned to me was a Reform Jew. He had a very Anglo-Saxon surname.

 

For some Jews the Armenian Genocide is an affront. They seem to view it as somehow diminishing their Holocaust. Clearly the views of a sick mind, diminishing one genocide to obstensibly elevate another.

 

 

 

Where was he? Actively PROMOTING the law about the jewish adventures of WWII. I tried doing some searching about this slimeball and found that he is awfully fond of writing about all kinds of jewish concerns, which is highly, highly suspicious to me. Something stinks about him, and it is a familiar smell.

[Boghos]

I am here laughing nonstop...what kind of clown is this guy Thibaux?He should change his name to Tibok... Edited January 3, 2007 by Boghos

[irlandahay]

Racism?????? Pure BS. Just stating facts. Ninety-nine percent of the AG deniers who aren't turks are jews. Nothing "racist" about stating FACTS.

 

Also, in truth, there was nothing "racist" about the Armenian Genocide either. It had to do with geopolitical ambititions in regard to world resources, eliminating the competition and zionist land grabbing.

 

ru dumb?!

 

nothing racist bout the armenian genocide?

how can ANY genocide not be about racism?!

"the attempt to exterminate in whole or in part an ethnic group"

 

you spit out filth about jews and then you say your not a racist?

alot of jews have been very supportive of armenians and have done everything in their power to help us.

look them up before talking moron.

 

you need to figure yourself out!

[Verginne]

ru dumb?!

 

No, ru??

 

nothing racist bout the armenian genocide?

how can ANY genocide not be about racism?!

"the attempt to exterminate in whole or in part an ethnic group"

 

you spit out filth about jews and then you say your not a racist?

alot of jews have been very supportive of armenians and have done everything in their power to help us.

 

No, not A LOT, but a FEW and they have not done EVERYTHING in their power either, as I stated many times, I don't see them making their lobbies stop or the state of israel stop what they're doing, so NO they have not done everything in their power. BTW, since when is the truth FILTH???

 

 

look them up before talking moron.

 

Ad hominems and name calling don't make your case at all. I now the names, I know the cirucmstances entirely. I am quite informed, unlike you. So where have you been the last ten years other than hiding your head in the sand and chasing after meaningless bones they throw your way?

 

you need to figure yourself out!

 

I have...and I have also figured YOU out too.

Edited January 13, 2007 by Verginne

[Mihr]

what kind of clown is this guy Thibaux?He should change his name to Tibok...

 

lol his family is from Corse island, South of France

 

he is a kind of ... how do you say.... in french we say "un raté" i mean his life is bullshit, and Turkey is well known to have a high power of bullshit attraction

 

lets not forget that the denial of the genocide was linked to a world system, the system who confirmed Turkey's today border and policy (Traité Lausanne, Atatürk's Turkey as a reinforcement against the Soviet System)

 

it is too easy to tell its the jewish fault, since we evacuate the question of the world system denial of the armenian genocide

 

dont forget that these aknowledgements in the world start back from the 1980's, so between 1923 and 1980's the official denial of the armenian genocide was an international custom : the world was against armenian genocide aknowledgement

 

its not a simple question of Armenians against Turkey/Israel

 

what about Britain and France policy against the Armenian minority in the Ottoman Empire

 

what about european policy in the caucasus today, they are not able to mind their own business, so they ask Karabakh to be integrated into Azerbaidjan, dont tell here it is because the jews want it, thats bullshit, we are talking about State interests, global changes in States policy, european energy policy in Caucasus....

[hanoumaki]

It's a lot more beautiful in its English equivalent - "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth". The Turkish equivalent is "Bahshish verdigi atin dishine", BTW.

 

The actual Turkish saying is: "Bahshish [verildigi] atin dishine bakilmaz."