New Law In Iran!

[irlandahay]

a new law has been passed in iran (or i think is in the process of being passed...) that says all christian or jews have to wear a symbol that makes them stand apart (i think its like a small tag on their clothing or a cross or something like that i didnt really get that part)

ya....seems pretty racist but...i bet its cuz if usa decides to attack therel be agitation and discrimination agains these people (christians and jews) and they wont be hard to find...all this creats nationalism and it could work to the iranian governments advantage...

 

the problem is...who are the christians in iran?

ARMENIANS...

[vava]

Here's a thread where we discuss the issue. Apparently it was unfounded - no such law was passed.

[Iran Forever]

Here's a thread where we discuss the issue. Apparently it was unfounded - no such law was passed.

Just a clarification, this rumor came from someone who is against the current regime in Iran...I am no fan of the current government in Iran either, but I would not make up a vicious LIE like that. Christians and Jews are recognized minorities under the current Iranian Constitution, (only Bahais have been excluded and this is because they are considered a heretical branch of Shi'ism that split off from Shi'ism, and also they do not accept Mohammad as being the last prophet..[remember Bah'aism came after Mohammad]...and claim that Baha'ullah is the last prophet), and have full rights any Iranian citizen does. They are not allowed to convert Muslims of course (and Jews do not convert anyone for that matter), but in many ways are given more flexibility in their daily lives...if a Christian is found with a bottle of alcohol in his/her car, there is no punishment, but if it is a Muslim, there is.

 

That said, the only way the current Iranian government has even come close to discrimination is there is a law that says Christians and Jews who are in the business of selling food and drink, must have a sign on their stores that say, "Aghaliyate Dini" which translates as "Religious Minority" without having to specifiy which one...this ONLY applies to businesses that sell food and drink, since Muslims are very picky about how the food is prepared, and if they feel it has not been prepared according to Islamic dietary laws, they can give the vendor a hard time...this was meant to protect both the vendor, and to put the consumer's mind at ease. Now if a non-Muslim owned a clothing store for example, they would not be obligated to put the sign on their store that says, "Religious Minority". I am only playing devil's advocate here...I don't like the idea of any sign on any store distinguishing any minority, and I myself am a convert to Christianity...but I think fairness is in order. My relatives just returned from Iran, and this whole thing about wearing a sign is total bullsh-t.

Edited July 15, 2006 by Iran Forever

[Hellektor]

That said, the only way the current Iranian government has even come close to discrimination is there is a law that says Christians and Jews who are in the business of selling food and drink, must have a sign on their stores that say, "Aghaliyate Dini" which translates as "Religious Minority" without having to specifiy which one...this ONLY applies to businesses that sell food and drink, since Muslims are very picky about how the food is prepared, and if they feel it has not been prepared according to Islamic dietary laws, they can give the vendor a hard time...this was meant to protect both the vendor, and to put the consumer's mind at ease.

A long, long time ago they had tried this but they were ashamed of it and it was revoked. So, your news is some 15 years or so old!

 

In fact the Iranians trust the Armenians more than they trust the Muslims as far as food is concerned!

 

Please read this article from BBC Persian or my translation of it here from the title "Iranian Armenians, the Weight of a Minority Among a Nation, by Sirus Ali Nejad, from BBC Persian".

 

Arzooman and Mikaelian were No1 sausage makers in Shah's time. Arzooman was acquired by the pasdars (I don't know how) and it's called Gooshtiran. Their motto is something like "Rezayate shoma arezooman ast" (your satisfaction is our wish), where our wish "arezooman" is written exactly as Arzooman in Farsi, reminding the good old Armenian quality!

 

Despite the fact that the Armenian community in Iran has shrunk considerably (250,000 to 300,000 against 30 million total in Shah's time to 70,000 against 70 million now) there are more Armenian sausage factories now: Andre, Robat, Armen and Mikaelian...

 

I'll tell you a story: some four years ago, there was an alarm about some bad imported meat. For some time people were cautious about eating meat. Me and a Muslim colleague of mine went to a pizzeria owned by Armenians and my friend asked where the sausage in pizza came from. The answer was Robat and my friend said: "because it's from an Armenian factory I'll have a pizza without any worry".

 

The Armenians are also good in confectionary and the most popular confectioners are Armenian, at least in Tehran.

 

So, the lies about Iranian Muslims avoiding Armenian prepared foodstuff shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Sip]

So are Armenian sausages considered "Hallal" in Iran?

[Yervant1]

So are Armenian sausages considered "Hallal" in Iran?

If the meat is halal then the sausage would be halal, doesn't matter who prepares it.

[Iran Forever]

A long, long time ago they had tried this but they were ashamed of it and it was revoked. So, your news is some 15 years or so old!

 

In fact the Iranians trust the Armenians more than they trust the Muslims as far as food is concerned!

 

Please read this article from BBC Persian or my translation of it here from the title "Iranian Armenians, the Weight of a Minority Among a Nation, by Sirus Ali Nejad, from BBC Persian".

 

Arzooman and Mikaelian were No1 sausage makers in Shah's time. Arzooman was acquired by the pasdars (I don't know how) and it's called Gooshtiran. Their motto is something like "Rezayate shoma arezooman ast" (your satisfaction is our wish), where our wish "arezooman" is written exactly as Arzooman in Farsi, reminding the good old Armenian quality!

 

Despite the fact that the Armenian community in Iran has shrunk considerably (250,000 to 300,000 against 30 million total in Shah's time to 70,000 against 70 million now) there are more Armenian sausage factories now: Andre, Robat, Armen and Mikaelian...

 

I'll tell you a story: some four years ago, there was an alarm about some bad imported meat. For some time people were cautious about eating meat. Me and a Muslim colleague of mine went to a pizzeria owned by Armenians and my friend asked where the sausage in pizza came from. The answer was Robat and my friend said: "because it's from an Armenian factory I'll have a pizza without any worry".

 

The Armenians are also good in confectionary and the most popular confectioners are Armenian, at least in Tehran.

 

So, the lies about Iranian Muslims avoiding Armenian prepared foodstuff shouldn't be taken seriously.

Hellektor, we always LOVED Arzooman...they had the BEST "mortadella" in all of Iran, and there was not a single sandwich shop in Tehran that didn't use "Arzooman" products. And I am sorry, Hellektor, I have not been to Iran in a long time, and I thank you for updating me...I had no idea things had changed.

 

Anyways, Armenians have always been a part of Iranian society. Do you know there is a statue at this famous Tehran "meidan" (public square) that was made by Vazgen Karimian, an Iranian Armenian?

 

In Iran, there is NO Muslim-Christian rift whatsoever, and Iran's Christians, namely Armenians and Assyrians, have always lived next to Muslims in peace. We are ALL Iranians over there.

 

By the way, I wonder how the Iranian Armenian soccer team Ararat is doing these days?

 

And I agree with you Hellektor, Armenian food distributors have always been one of the most trusted marketers in Iran.

 

Zendeh bad doostiye javedaneye Armanestan va Iran...Long live Hayastan/Iran friendship!

 

And same message to Azerbaijan Republic: Yashasin Ermenistan/Iran dostlugu.

[Hellektor]

Hellektor, we always LOVED Arzooman...they had the BEST "mortadella" in all of Iran, and there was not a single sandwich shop in Tehran that didn't use "Arzooman" products. And I am sorry, Hellektor, I have not been to Iran in a long time, and I thank you for updating me...I had no idea things had changed.

 

Anyways, Armenians have always been a part of Iranian society. Do you know there is a statue at this famous Tehran "meidan" (public square) that was made by Vazgen Karimian, an Iranian Armenian?

 

In Iran, there is NO Muslim-Christian rift whatsoever, and Iran's Christians, namely Armenians and Assyrians, have always lived next to Muslims in peace. We are ALL Iranians over there.

 

By the way, I wonder how the Iranian Armenian soccer team Ararat is doing these days?

 

And I agree with you Hellektor, Armenian food distributors have always been one of the most trusted marketers in Iran.

 

Zendeh bad doostiye javedaneye Armanestan va Iran...Long live Hayastan/Iran friendship!

 

And same message to Azerbaijan Republic: Yashasin Ermenistan/Iran dostlugu.

I wasn't around for some time. Sorry for the delayed reply.

As with the Constitutional Movement and every social, cultural, economic, artistic, etc. field, the Armenians have brought their share for their dear and hospitable Iran and they have done that considering themselves part of the Iranian society.

 

Once again, for those who might not have checked it, I invite you to read this article:

 

Iranian Armenians, the Weight of a Minority Among a Nation, by Sirus Ali Nejad, from BBC Persian

 

The non-Farsi speakers can check my translation of the article here. You need to scroll down the post a bit.