Armenians Converting To Islam

[Aubépine]

DeeDee, perhaps it's useless for me to say, maybe it's just a phase in your life, but you are really about to make a big mistake. There are no easy answers in life even if you think you've found them. Converting to a religion is like taking hallucinatory drugs. You are only going to repress the things that really bother you instead of confronting them and trying to find a solution. I'm not going to refer to all the ills that religions, especially the dubious three have caused. They have been responsible for pretty much all of the misery and bloodshed in this world. We would be better without them.

I guess that you are quite young and feeling down. Maybe you are at an age where you don't know where you are heading and are unsure of your future. But don't worry all is not bad. You can find happiness in your surroundings too. Try to find interests that suit you best and make you happy. Most importantly try to come together with people with whom you can share your interests and feelings and who will make you feel better.

[aSoldier]

I'm not going to refer to all the ills that religions, especially the dubious three have caused. They have been responsible for pretty much all of the misery and bloodshed in this world. We would be better without them...

 

Let us all worship the all-knowing Aubépine - for he knows all.

[Aubépine]

There were Godesses before there was God.

[aSoldier]

Oh, I saw where you're from, that explains it.

[Yervant1]

Oh, I saw where you're from, that explains it.

Seb go easy on Aubepine so far he gave the best answer to DeeDee in my opinion>

[Arpa]

Dear DeeDee you did not give any reasons as to why convert to Islam and not to Judaisim, Hinduism or any other religion for example. If you find Christianity intalorant wait you see Islam.

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I truly beleive that your reasons are selfish in nature. May be a marriage with a Muslim? I don't buy for one minute that your changing religion for faith reasons. There are lots of Armenians that they don't care for religion but they don't embrace others insted. I for one not interested in religion but if I had to choose an organized religion it would be Christianity not because my parents are but because it's the most tolarent one.

Yervant has brought a valid point that may have eluded some of us.

It is a sad commentary. Not so much sad that many of us do marry outside the fold. If I may, with permission crow a little. Both of my children have married within the fold. Doe that say anything about my healthy Armenian chauvinism, i.e stressing the bauty in us and not he ugly?

Here is the sad part.

Why is it that when an Armenian marries a Catholic, it is the Armenian that must convert? Why is that when an Armenian marries a Jew, it is the Armenian that must convert? Why is it that when an Armenian marries a Moslem, it is the Armenian that must be circumcised? Yet, when an Armenian is to marry, say a Mormon or any one of those morons the Armenian Church will open her arsenal and insist that those “morons” be first baptized in the Armenian rite? How about insisting that those Muslims, Jews and other varmints be “baptized” in the Armenian rite first before even contemplating marriage with an Armenian man or woman??

Where is our bravado? Is it only directed against some other “Christian” sect? Or are Muslims and others too powerful for us to be embroiled in?

Of course. Many so called Christians are too willing to undergo the armenianization rites. How about insist that a Jew or a Moslem be “uncircumcised” before they marry our daughters and sons!!

Being the “first” and the “oldest” Christians can we speak from a position of strength??

Whatever happened to those two eggs between our legs?

Do they only harden when it comes to another so called “Christian” sect and turn into “three minute/terkhash havkith“ when it comes to Muslims and Jews??

Of course, in those faiths "conversion/aspostasy" is synonymous with "murder". May be we should enact such muderous laws. I was, secretly hoping so much that that Afghani "apostate" were stoned to death so the rest of the world could see what Islam is really all about! COWARDS!!

Edited April 5, 2006 by Arpa

[Zartonk]

Welcome to Hyeforum:

 

Please forgive me, but I honestly see it as an act of religous bordem with little or no positive outcome and as an ultimate act of rebelion against the Armenian identity. I mean if there is a spiritual void, I surley don't think Islam is the choice solution.

Yet again thats how I view this. As an individual, you free to choose any faith you please, but I just think switching to yet another Semitic religion will do you no good.'

 

The best.

[Yervant1]

Arpa in my opinion it is the selfish element in Armenian character that guides them into giving up everything in order to get what they want. Of course what they give up is not personal loss but Armenian Race loss and they gain the love which is personal gain.

 

We had lots of traitors amongts us who betrayed the Race for personal gains. That's why we never had a strong kingdom in the past with the exception of King Tigran. Even during the Genocide era we had planty of traitors civilian and clergy who tried to save their wealth and family at the expence of other Armenians dying.

 

So to sum it up what I'm saying is that the majority of Armenians would sacrify the greater good for personal gain. That's why Armenians marrying odars will give in rather than change the odar to them, because they want to get what they want.

[Azat]

Oh, I saw where you're from, that explains it.

Yet another great answer from the forum journalist

[Aubépine]

Oh, I saw where you're from, that explains it.

 

I meant I'm a she and not a he.

[Yervant1]

I meant I'm a she and not a he.

Thanks for correcting us, half the time we make that mistake. It would be nice if Admin. could add "Gender" in personal information area in order to avoid this.

[DominO123]

thank you all for responding......i am one of those who is trying to get more educated before converting but i feel as if it is right for me. no one has brianwashed me and this has nothing to do with Turks. see if u really want to know i believe it wasnt because we werent muslim that the turks did that to us, it was for out land and just becuase they are coldhearted. we should use religion agaist someone, to me religion is something that u find and feel not something u are taught. i dont understand why i have to be Christian just becuase my family is. im my own person i was created by GOD to think on my own and let him do for me. everything is in Gods will and if its in his will for me to convert then let it be. GOD IS ALLAH ...i have read some old forums that say YOUR GOD or YOUR ALLAH ...there is one God and he is the same in both religions. sometimes i feel as if i am turning my back on Armenians when i think of converting but i then know that Armenians are sometimes closed minded people who want to only see things in one way. i feel this is right and i believe its in Gods will for me to do this......only God can judge me

 

I will be harsh with you and I appologise before I write those few things.

 

DeeDee, I don't buy this b*llsh1t, and I will place judgements here and if I am wrong correct me.

 

First, please don't give us course about why the Armenian genocide happened, religion is one of the factors.

 

Second, I repeat what I have already said to others in the same circumstances and I will capitalise this because this parts really angers me.

 

WHY SHOULD IT BE ALWAYS THE GIRL THAT HAS TO CONVERT? DON'T START THIS CRAP ABOUT YOU NOT BEING BRAINWASHED..., THE TYPICAL STORY OF THE GIRL WHO FELL IN LOVE WITH A MUSLIM BOY AND WHO 'DISCOVER' HOW THAT RELIGION IS GREAT IS NOTHING NEW, BUT WHAT MAKES ME MAD IS WHY SHOULD THE GIRL BE THE ONE TO CONVERT? OH YAH! IT'S YOUR CHOICE, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN BRAINWASHED, I GUESS THAT IS WHY HAD IT BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO CONVERTION.

 

Any convertion or adhering to a belief system is brainwashing, someone doesn't decide to covert out of blue moon, that it is done for a guy that I consider the worst cases of brainwashing and anti-feminist.

 

Oh and, if you wonder how I have supposed that you are doing this for a boy, common sense, experience and also the fact that all such cases I have seen or heard of a girl wanting to convert always there was a Muslim guy involved.

[DominO123]

Thanks for correcting us, half the time we make that mistake. It would be nice if Admin. could add "Gender" in personal information area in order to avoid this.

 

I thought it was obvious from her name.

[DeeDee]

ok.....for all those who think there is some guy in this.......well there isnt....and thats not a like.....this for me ....i have nothing to prove to anyone but thanks for the feedback though i do not agree with most of it but its good to see how yall think.

[vava]

It would be nice if Admin. could add "Gender" in personal information area in order to avoid this.

Most of the time these things sort themselves out I personally don't think it's necessary at all. Why not have a little mystery?

 

 

I thought it was obvious from her name.

 

Ditto.

 

 

Now to the topic at hand.

At first glance I'm willing to second Yervant's and Domino's presumptions that DeeDee is a female, and that there is more to the picture than she's willing to tell us. Most likely it is a boy/love interest, but it doesn't have to be.

If indeed you are converting for someone, i strongly urge you to do some serious research. Converting religions isn't like changing your underwear - there can be serious repercussions both to yourself and your family. I would question why the boy/lover figure isn't volunteering to convert to Christianity instead - after all if you're willing to do it for love, should he be willing to as well?

 

If in fact you've had some sort of weird epiphany of whatever that has lead you to believe that you'd be better off as a Muslim, again, i strongly urge you to do some serious research. Islam is not easily understood or learned. There will be A LOT of studying for you, and further, many issues that you may not agree with. How do you feel about being dictated how you dress? How you wear your hair and/or makeup? What are your views on education, liberty for women and the right to choose? Your decision will have an enormous impact on some of the above, and many other issues I haven't bothered to list.

 

If Christianity is not right for you, that's fine. Go searching - study, learn about other religions. You don't need to "convert" to broaden your horizons. Conversion implies such finality - are you certain that you want to go down that path?

[aSoldier]

Yet another great answer from the forum journalist

 

correction: Publicist

 

Journalism is the major.

[Sip]

I will be harsh with you and I appologise before I write those few things.

 

WOW I have never seen you so mad! Take it easy man.

 

QueBeceR ... and DeeDee ...

 

OF COURSE it is brainwashing!!!! I don't think that is even up to debate. Anyone that just KNOWS what Allah or God wants them to do, is brainwashed. Simple as that. Because there is no way Allah or God is conversing with any of you. If you are so arrogant to tell us that Allah or God speak to you, then why do you even bother with showing up to a discussion board to find out what us mere mortals think?

[aSoldier]

I suggest you study Muhammed, after all he was the founder. After you see what kind of man he was, it is easy to see where the truth lies.

 

Matthew 7:15-16

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them..."

 

http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

 

& if you are impressed that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, remember that people are being forced into it everyday; and once you're in, you can't get out alive.

[Anonymouse]

I would question why the boy/lover figure isn't volunteering to convert to Christianity instead - after all if you're willing to do it for love, should he be willing to as well?

 

That's easy. He won't and can't convert to Christianity because he would probably be condemned to death and have his head decapitated by the local Imam. So much for the religion of peace which is Islam.

 

If Christianity is not right for you, that's fine. Go searching - study, learn about other religions. You don't need to "convert" to broaden your horizons. Conversion implies such finality - are you certain that you want to go down that path?

 

To put it bluntly, humans do strange things for penis' and vaginas.

[Anonymouse]

WOW I have never seen you so mad! Take it easy man.

 

QueBeceR ... and DeeDee ...

 

OF COURSE it is brainwashing!!!! I don't think that is even up to debate. Anyone that just KNOWS what Allah or God wants them to do, is brainwashed. Simple as that. Because there is no way Allah or God is conversing with any of you. If you are so arrogant to tell us that Allah or God speak to you, then why do you even bother with showing up to a discussion board to find out what us mere mortals think?

 

But, but it's a religion of peace!

[Sip]

Matthew 7:15-16

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them..."

 

I'm willing to bet Islam has probably said the same thing

 

LMAO at the religion of "peace" ... yah and it also values women the same as men haaaaaaaaahahaahahahahahaah

[Yervant1]

ok.....for all those who think there is some guy in this.......well there isnt....and thats not a like.....this for me ....i have nothing to prove to anyone but thanks for the feedback though i do not agree with most of it but its good to see how yall think.

I know you have nothing to prove to us, but for you to get good feedback you need to tell us your reasons for converting. You expect us to tell you honestly what we think but you don't have the same honesty to tell us your thoughts.

 

If you were sure what you're doing is right, you wouldn't have asked us let's be honest here. In my opinion you're not convinced that what you're doing is right. This is my last post to you until you come clean about this. May Allah be with you.

[Yervant1]

I suggest you study Muhammed, after all he was the founder. After you see what kind of man he was, it is easy to see where the truth lies.

 

Matthew 7:15-16

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them..."

 

http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

 

& if you are impressed that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, remember that people are being forced into it everyday; and once you're in, you can't get out alive.

Seb I love you if I may give you an advice please drop the Bible quotations and use common sense and logic with your answers you'll do much better, like your last paragraph above is a good example of what I mean. You can disregard it as well if you don't like what I said.

[aSoldier]

I'm willing to bet Islam has probably said the same thing

 

I doubt it will, seeing as how Jesus predicted that.

Edited April 6, 2006 by sSebB

[DominO123]

WOW I have never seen you so mad! Take it easy man.

 

QueBeceR ... and DeeDee ...

 

OF COURSE it is brainwashing!!!! I don't think that is even up to debate. Anyone that just KNOWS what Allah or God wants them to do, is brainwashed. Simple as that. Because there is no way Allah or God is conversing with any of you. If you are so arrogant to tell us that Allah or God speak to you, then why do you even bother with showing up to a discussion board to find out what us mere mortals think?

 

You already saw me more mad. Remember Dan and Den?