DeeDee Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 I was wondering what people thought about young Armenians choosing to convert to Islam? How does that impact the Armenian people? some get mad due to the fact that Armenians suffered to stay Christians in the Genocide...does this play a role in a person wanting to go the way of the enemy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I was wondering what people thought about young Armenians choosing to convert to Islam? How does that impact the Armenian people? some get mad due to the fact that Armenians suffered to stay Christians in the Genocide...does this play a role in a person wanting to go the way of the enemy? If a Religious young Armenian person couldn't find his/her answers in Christianity, for sure they will not find it in Islam. Even if they convert to Islam the numbers will be very low so it will not impact anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I was wondering what people thought about young Armenians choosing to convert to Islam? How does that impact the Armenian people? some get mad due to the fact that Armenians suffered to stay Christians in the Genocide...does this play a role in a person wanting to go the way of the enemy? DeeDee Welcome! Very interesting. Could you please elaborate and cite cases. If I am reading you right, there may be cases of Armenians adopting Islam in their frustration with our present defeatistic faith. Of course, they may have a point in the light of how Islam in general and (Muslim) Turks in particular are scoring point after point. But, how is Islam different from those three major religions of the Middle East. Let me rephrase it. How is Islam different from those three major “MYTHOLOGIES” of Jehovah, Allah and God of the Middle East. If, in fact we are looking for a new and improved religion, how about look in our past and rediscover our own ASTUATS whose main business is OUR welfare!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 (edited) I was wondering what people thought about young Armenians choosing to convert to Islam? How does that impact the Armenian people? some get mad due to the fact that Armenians suffered to stay Christians in the Genocide...does this play a role in a person wanting to go the way of the enemy? If Christianity is heckled by the modern secular religion and atheists, Islam is worse in terms of its fundamentalism and fanaticism. When that comes, you will pray for the days when you just had to deal with Christians who are puppies next to them. Islam has no concept of secular and religious separation. It cannot stand criticism of its religion and it's God. When people tell me that Islam is just a religion, I disagree. It's more than just a religion, it's a way of life and mentality that permeates and pervades every aspect of society. I do not condone nor like the possibility of Armenians converting to Islam, but note that there are many Armenians within western Armenia (now in Turkey) that are Muslims ("Hamshetsi"). No matter how tolerable and peaceful the best examples of of Islamic adherents you can propose, you can likewise propose 10 fundamentalists that are worse than the Christian types. Any religion that punishes its believers who want to convert to another religion, with death, isn't much of a 'religion of peace' or 'tolerance' in my eyes. Therefore, my question is, what sort of god damned 'salvation' and 'answers' must one self-deluded soul be seeking to go into such a religion? And while we are on it, what is this whole thing about 'answers' that draws people to religion. It seems to me to be the most childish and naive of all reasons to join any religion period. Edited April 5, 2006 by Anonymouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabig Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I think that if they are not finding spiritual/religious satisfaction with Christianity, it may be beneficial to them to find that in Islam, or whatever religion they may choose. While the Armenian people identify strongly with Christianity, being the first to officially adopt it, a small Islamic community in Armenia may even bring about good things for the country, being as it is surrounded by Islamic countries. It may strengthen connections and bring stronger "togetherness" in the Caucasus/Anatolia (not to say that Turkey will want to pick out curtains or anything). Ultimately as long as people are happy, I see no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I think if he/she is not finding the answer with Christianity, they should first try Fadixian Multiverism, I think it's the best bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Converting from Christianity to Islam is like converting from the H2 SUV to the H2 SUT to get better gas milage. If you want better gas milage, sometimes you just have to ditch the kind of vehicle you are driving and go with something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I think that if they are not finding spiritual/religious satisfaction with Christianity, it may be beneficial to them to find that in Islam, or whatever religion they may choose. While the Armenian people identify strongly with Christianity, being the first to officially adopt it, a small Islamic community in Armenia may even bring about good things for the country, being as it is surrounded by Islamic countries. It may strengthen connections and bring stronger "togetherness" in the Caucasus/Anatolia (not to say that Turkey will want to pick out curtains or anything). Ultimately as long as people are happy, I see no problem. I disagree. I think any Armenian who converts to Islam is a traitor. A small Islamic community has no place in Armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 you just have to ditch the kind of vehicle you are driving and go with something else. H3 FADIX? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 http://prazerinculto.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/DonkeyCar.jpg Yah this is a glimpse of the new H3 Domino Hybrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 (edited) By the way, DeeDee, welcome to the forum and I hope you don't think I am not taking your question seriously. Actually I do and I think it's an important one to ask ... but the more important question is why do these "youth" feel they need religion in their lives whether it is Islam or Christianity ... maybe we should ask what is really lacking for them to be looking at Islam for answers. ... or even worse, is it simply a result of good'ol brainwashing. Edited April 5, 2006 by Sip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominO123 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 http://prazerinculto.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/DonkeyCar.jpg Yah this is a glimpse of the new H3 Fadix Hybrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 http://prazerinculto.blogs.sapo.pt/arquivo/DonkeyCar.jpg Yah this is a glimpse of the new H3 Domino Hybrid Hey Sip what year is that? and how many cylinders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeDee Posted April 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 thank you all for responding......i am one of those who is trying to get more educated before converting but i feel as if it is right for me. no one has brianwashed me and this has nothing to do with Turks. see if u really want to know i believe it wasnt because we werent muslim that the turks did that to us, it was for out land and just becuase they are coldhearted. we should use religion agaist someone, to me religion is something that u find and feel not something u are taught. i dont understand why i have to be Christian just becuase my family is. im my own person i was created by GOD to think on my own and let him do for me. everything is in Gods will and if its in his will for me to convert then let it be. GOD IS ALLAH ...i have read some old forums that say YOUR GOD or YOUR ALLAH ...there is one God and he is the same in both religions. sometimes i feel as if i am turning my back on Armenians when i think of converting but i then know that Armenians are sometimes closed minded people who want to only see things in one way. i feel this is right and i believe its in Gods will for me to do this......only God can judge me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 DeeDee, if you are female, I would definitely recommend having sex before converting to islam. If not, in case you die too early, you might end up having to service a dead terrorist up in Heaven with 71 others like yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 thank you all for responding......i am one of those who is trying to get more educated before converting but i feel as if it is right for me. no one has brianwashed me and this has nothing to do with Turks. see if u really want to know i believe it wasnt because we werent muslim that the turks did that to us, it was for out land and just becuase they are coldhearted. we should use religion agaist someone, to me religion is something that u find and feel not something u are taught. i dont understand why i have to be Christian just becuase my family is. im my own person i was created by GOD to think on my own and let him do for me. everything is in Gods will and if its in his will for me to convert then let it be. GOD IS ALLAH ...i have read some old forums that say YOUR GOD or YOUR ALLAH ...there is one God and he is the same in both religions. sometimes i feel as if i am turning my back on Armenians when i think of converting but i then know that Armenians are sometimes closed minded people who want to only see things in one way. i feel this is right and i believe its in Gods will for me to do this......only God can judge me Dear DeeDee you did not give any reasons as to why convert to Islam and not to Judaisim, Hinduism or any other religion for example. If you find Christianity intalorant wait you see Islam. Turks killed only the Christians. Not only Armenians but Greeks, Assyrians, Caldiens, Syriacs and others. They did not kill the Kurds at the time but they are killing them now. Also they did not kill those who converted to Islam including Armenians. You are wrong to assume that they did not kill for religion. You don't have to be Christian because your parents are but with the same token you don't have to be Muslim because your parents aren't. I think you are doing this to get at your parents. You say Armenians are close minded. Yes I agree with you 100% but if you had done your homework you would have seen that Islam is 1000% close minded. If you read the news about the Afghany man, he was going to die just for changing his religion. Also you are being very selfish here have you ever thought about the greif that you will cause to your family by your action. I truly beleive that your reasons are selfish in nature. May be a marriage with a Muslim? I don't buy for one minute that your changing religion for faith reasons. There are lots of Armenians that they don't care for religion but they don't embrace others insted. I for one not interested in religion but if I had to choose an organized religion it would be Christianity not because my parents are but because it's the most tolarent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Dear DeeDee you did not give any reasons as to why convert to Islam ... But she did. Allah wants her to. So isn't any discussion about this choice irrelevant? Who are we to argue with Allah's wishes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I disagree. I think any Armenian who converts to Islam is a traitor. A small Islamic community has no place in Armenia. Agreed. The more you are persecuted for your faith, the stronger you should stay with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I think that if they are not finding spiritual/religious satisfaction with Christianity... I doubt they will if they continue to visit an Armenian Apostolic Church, they do not teach the word of God as they think they do. Most of the time young people do not even understand what is going on, therefore leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Whooo hoooo sSebB's here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 But she did. Allah wants her to. So isn't any discussion about this choice irrelevant? Who are we to argue with Allah's wishes? Isn't it funny they all say there is only one God for all but Muslims call theirs always Allah even when they converse in English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yervant1 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 By the way DeeDee and Gabig are you on this together? To me it looks like it. Also I think you guys are trying to get support from here to show your parents that others are agreeing with your decision. Tell me if I'm wrong Allah doesn't like if you tell a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 thank you all for responding......i am one of those who is trying to get more educated before converting but i feel as if it is right for me. DeeDee, you got me curious Can you please tell me what you think the difference between the Christian God and Allah is, or the difference between the two religions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aSoldier Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Whooo hoooo sSebB's here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaunt Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I was wondering what people thought about young Armenians choosing to convert to Islam? Fools, all of them. Not because they chose to convert, but because they couldn't recognize that the novel path they chose to follow was no different than the one they spent their entire lives walking. Or maybe they're just masochists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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