Ata Donme Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) Well I am sure this may have been commented on years ago here, but just for a refresher lets look at it again. The posting of this thread in History I think is appropriate as it stems from history. Okay time to get your teeth gnashing again, book an appointment at the dentist Now how is it that in Armenia and India alone the names used are either the same or similar, names that are not used in any other countries? Here is just some of them.... Sevak in Armenia Sewak in India Vardan in Armenia Vardahn in India Manoog in Armenia Manooj{*} in India Sevan in Armenia Sivan in India Ashot in Armenia Ashok(*) in India Anahit in Armenia Anahita in India to list a few examples of names Now I put forword three reasons which could all explain it... 1) Armenians and Indians both being affected by the 'Aryan Invasion' of the 1st millenium BC 2) The Hindu refugees settled in the Taron province of Armenia in 149 BC[*] 3) Armenian merchant families in India bringing their culture with them, and in time intermarrying with locals. What are your thoughts, if any , on this cultural relationship? {*} Note: In Arabic Manooj is a slang word for a pretty woman, literally meaning Nice P*ssy (*) Note: Ashok was the most famous of the Mauryan dynasty rulers of India, reigning from 268 to 233 BC [*] Note: the same year the Iranian Arshakuni dynasty came to power in Armenia, 149BC Edited September 18, 2005 by Ata Donme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) one question - do they mean the same thing in Hindu? now all those names are unrelated in terms of that list. 1. Sevak - I always thought came from the word Sev, SEV+AK meaning a child with black eyes, just like KHAZ+AK means child with green eyes. what is the word Sev as in color in Hindu??? 2. Manook in Armenian is a noun meaning Child, not we also have EREXA. I can see the Sanskrit-Armenian link somewhere perhaps. 3. SEVAN - I have a hard time relating this one to anything outside of historic Armenia. The VAN ending adding to the proper nouns for places actually came down to us from Urartians. In addition, it has been the name of the lake from the time immemorial. What is the meaning of the word SIVAN in Hindu? I would highly doubt it means a fresh mountainous lake in the Caucasus mountains, after all that is really the only meaning we have for it. 4. The name Ashot came to Armenians from Persians. I guess perhaps it came to us through Persians from Hindus. 5. Finally the name Anahit exists not only in Armenian and Hindu but in few other languages. As you know, Anahit was the pagan Goddess of love or nature (???), and the names for goddesses always extended beyond one culture, slightly modified but essentially the same name. Edited September 18, 2005 by kakachik77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 (edited) found this online Anahita (First Name Origin and Meaning) Origin: Indian Meaning: Goddess of the waters. Gender: Female this one from another site Anahid The most prominent goddess in the pre-Christian pantheon of ancient Armenia; related etymologically and symbolically to the Persian water/fertility deity Anahita. Worshipped principally as a mother figure, Anahid was referred to ritually as "Life-Giver", "Golden Mother", and "Benefactress of All Mankind." Anahid's feast days fell in spring and autumn; the most important ceremony dedicated to her was held on the fifteenth day of Navasard, the first month of the ancient Armenian calendar. Also found online SIVAN is Hebrew meaning Ninth Month, has Akkadian/Babylonian origin. The name Sevan is of Urartian origin, and is derived from Siuna, meaning country of lakes. http://www.armeniainfo.am/sites/?section=n...e=1&site_id=128 Edited September 18, 2005 by kakachik77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takoush Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 found this online Anahita (First Name Origin and Meaning) Origin: Indian Meaning: Goddess of the waters. Gender: Female this one from another site Anahid http://www.armeniainfo.am/sites/?section=n...e=1&site_id=128 style_images/master/snapback.png Thanks for this site kakachik77. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hytga Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 how about shri lankan name "Anushika" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Anahit in Armenia Anahita in India She was a goddess in the Persian, Armenian, and Indian pantheons. I think the Iranians and Indians use the name ''Shiraz'' too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Having some similar sounding names of course means nothing, except that there are large number of words in Armenian derived from Sanskrit and Indo-Iranian. A fresh look at the language family tree would explain that. Our language is indo-european and it shouldn't be a surprise here. Armenian - Indian relations are very interesting altogether. At one time there was a sizable Indian community in Armenia, which was expeled due to religious wars. Those that remained were forcibaly turned into Christians. The Greeks made few expeditions to India and it is quite likely that they have had Armenians in their ranks. An Indian friend of mine explained the green/blue eyed Indians with these 'expeditions'. Acctually there are lot of Indians with Greek sounding names in and around Kashmir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 There are far more obvious links between between English and Indian languagare or even Russian and Indian than Armenian and Indian. But there is no mystery about it (I say this as a layman), the connection is well known as the Indo-European connection. Of course, Armenian is part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ata Donme Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Well done folks, I like to see positive contributions to this often overlooked subject As we know many good topics end up as slanging matches or petty gossip columns. Oh yes, Anushika, I was going to add that Alas I know only a few Hindi words, for a real insight into such possible connections a joint research team of Indians and Armenians would be needed, such can be done in Yerevan. I thought the Urartuan name for Van was 'Tushpa' and for Yerevan was 'Erebuni'? So when and why did they change the names and add the 'Van' suffix? It seems that with the collapse of the Urartuan kingdom until the Arshakuni kingdom an influx of outsiders such as Semite slaves (Khm'bat), Brigians (Phyrigians), Parthians (Arshakuni), Hindus and Chinese (Shu) refugees have left their mark in large or small ways. Personally, after learning from the works of Zenob of Glak, that there was a sizable Hindu refugee community in the kingdom of Armenia from 149BC *until the Conversion era that the name Ashot is a result of the 'in vogue' Hindu name of Ashok being adopted and corrupted in the Armenian kingdom. As mentioned in the Topic description, the greatest king of India had ruled over 80 years previously, Ashoka. The 'a' is not pronounced. Why I even had the far fetched idea, which is not often , that the wandering minstrels of the Middle East and central Asia, the 'Ashok' derives from the wandering missionaries sent into these areas by king Ashoka to promote his kingdom and his new found religion, Buddhism, in the 3rd century BC. Of course be the early 20th century AD the term would be applied to the wandering minstrels who sang of many subjects. Our most famous Ashok of all was 'Sayat Nova'. *Note: According to Zenob of Glak, the Hindu refugee princes founded the villages of Kaurs (Kars) and Giss-Aneh (Ani) which would gain fame in the 9th century Bagratuni era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ata Donme Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Slightly unrelated to the subject of Hindu-Armenian name origins, but only slightly.... Is it only in Armenian and Hindu tradition for the bride-to-be to have her hands painted with Henna prior to the marriage? Have a look at some of our amazing manuscripts, how often do you see a peacock in it? Is the bird native to Armenia or India? Of course we know that at least by the Bagratuni era the monarchy liked to decorate its palaces in all kinds of oriental fineray, particularly that from India. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ata Donme Posted September 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 So we know that there was a Hindu refugee community settled in the western parts of the kingdom, mainly in Taron. Could they have brought their alphabet with them and could some of its letters have been adopted? As we know it is always said the Meshrob based his 'new' alphabet on Greek. I know the Greek alphabet and I can only see about 2 letters in the Armenian alphabet that resemble Greek. Aramaic, more likely, but still the method of the Armenian writing system is not the same as the Arabic sytem. You can view the Aramaic script here. So the question I dare to say, and I don't think it far fetched , is that could Meshrob have researched the alphabet that was used by the surviving refugees in Armenia in 406 AD*? The written alphabet the Hindu refugees would have used is called Brahmi, you can view it here. *Note: By this date any surviving peoples of Hindu descent would have been Christian, though they would have no doubt venerated their Hindu ancestors and remembered the holy days of the year, in time they would be assimilated into the Hygagan community though their customs would prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Slightly unrelated to the subject of Hindu-Armenian name origins, but only slightly.... Is it only in Armenian and Hindu tradition for the bride-to-be to have her hands painted with Henna prior to the marriage? Have a look at some of our amazing manuscripts, how often do you see a peacock in it? Is the bird native to Armenia or India? Of course we know that at least by the Bagratuni era the monarchy liked to decorate its palaces in all kinds of oriental fineray, particularly that from India. style_images/master/snapback.png in Armenia - it's not the bride-to-be - it's the relatives & soon to be relatives of the bride-to-be in a way Henna cleans - disinfects the skin - so prior to the marriage all of the relatives get together and deep fingers in henna - in a way "promising" too keep their "fingers" away from the newlyweds OJAKH remember Henna was used as a medicine in old ages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 I noticed something while watching CNN during their week long focus on India. Is there any connection between the names Vahram and Vikram? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artaxias Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Those names are NOT Armenian but Persian! Vahram, Artavazd, Anahit, Artashes, Varazdat, Vardkes, Shoushanik etc. are Persian. Suren, Karen, Mher, Vartan, Sanatruk, Arshak etc. are Parthian. But since medieval times only Armenians have been using these names as Arabs destroyed Persia. Since the names are of Iranic origin, and Iranic languages are a branch of Indo-Aryan(Indian and Iranian) languges of the Indo-European (Armenian, Greek, Slavic, Germanic etc.) family Indians have similar names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zartonk Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 (edited) Just a liitle clearification: "Shiraz" is a city in Iran, near the ancient Achaemedian capital Persepolis. No Armenian relationship, really. Of course be the early 20th century AD the term would be applied to the wandering minstrels who sang of many subjects. Our most famous Ashok of all was 'Sayat Nova'. The term you are reffering to is "Ashugh", not "Ashok". It is deriven from Persian Ashegh (verb Eshgh; love) and means "lover, one in love". Trabadours were for long concidered as oshagheh del, simply "in love with the heart and soul". Edited September 21, 2005 by Zartonk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigranG Posted September 21, 2005 Report Share Posted September 21, 2005 It may all be coincindental as there are so many/few sounds and alphabetical characters asssigned and limited to any one language. I don't know Russian but I have noticed that they use the word "kak" a lot. It seems to mean something good in their language. How "good" is it in the Armenian language? KAK means "how" in Russian language. For example: kak dela, how are things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 ok enough !!! lets be nice choose your words carefully - HyeForum is not 18th street in LA, no bad Language is permitted !!! it will be nice if members can engage in productive / civilised discussions consider this as a friendly reminder for all of you !!! MOvses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ata Donme Posted September 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 ok enough !!! lets be nice choose your words carefully - HyeForum is not 18th street in LA, no bad Language is permitted !!! it will be nice if members can engage in productive / civilised discussions consider this as a friendly reminder for all of you !!! MOvses style_images/master/snapback.png Mosjan, as much as I want to respect you, why did you delete my resonable reply? You know it is Arpa who is the problem, not us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 delete ?? no we do not delete in this forum we save each and every post after my post - to which you have reply-ed - Arpa has don nothing wrong - on the other hand you have dig ed yourself sooo deep in S&^% that you have lost you posting privileges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caligirl Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Well I am sure this may have been commented on years ago here, but just for a refresher lets look at it again. The posting of this thread in History I think is appropriate as it stems from history. Okay time to get your teeth gnashing again, book an appointment at the dentist Now how is it that in Armenia and India alone the names used are either the same or similar, names that are not used in any other countries? Here is just some of them.... Sevak in Armenia Sewak in India Vardan in Armenia Vardahn in India Manoog in Armenia Manooj{*} in India Sevan in Armenia Sivan in India Ashot in Armenia Ashok(*) in India Anahit in Armenia Anahita in India to list a few examples of names Now I put forword three reasons which could all explain it... 1) Armenians and Indians both being affected by the 'Aryan Invasion' of the 1st millenium BC 2) The Hindu refugees settled in the Taron province of Armenia in 149 BC[*] 3) Armenian merchant families in India bringing their culture with them, and in time intermarrying with locals. What are your thoughts, if any , on this cultural relationship? {*} Note: In Arabic Manooj is a slang word for a pretty woman, literally meaning Nice P*ssy (*) Note: Ashok was the most famous of the Mauryan dynasty rulers of India, reigning from 268 to 233 BC [*] Note: the same year the Iranian Arshakuni dynasty came to power in Armenia, 149BC What's there not to understand?! The answer is short and simple - Indians stole Armenian names! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARAT KID Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 GUYS ITS REALLY SIMPLE..CULTURES SHARE CERTAIN TRADES DUE TO TRADE, COLONIZATION, ETC. SO iNDIA AND ARMENIA HAVE OBVIOUSLY HAD A COSMOPOLITAN HISTORY AND SHARE CERTAIN CLOSE NAMES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 23, 2007 Report Share Posted February 23, 2007 (edited) GUYS ITS REALLY SIMPLE..CULTURES SHARE CERTAIN TRADES DUE TO TRADE, COLONIZATION, ETC. SO iNDIA AND ARMENIA HAVE OBVIOUSLY HAD A COSMOPOLITAN HISTORY AND SHARE CERTAIN CLOSE NAMES Dear Ararat. Before you get sucked in that brahman bull kaka. Do you want to know the relation between Armenian and Indian names? Do you know how to spell BS? I'll help you. It is... B U L L S H I T. Edited February 23, 2007 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagopn Posted June 17, 2007 Report Share Posted June 17, 2007 Why is it bullshit? I don't know about the zeal to Iranianize everything, save for mental midgets such as Nina Garoian and her vegetal produce, but Armenians and India have had long time interactions, long before the Arshakuni period, long before the Artashesian period. Why is that so hard to believe for moswt? Because they have been NATO brainwashed. Arpa, you are one brainwashed son of a gun. Despite yourself and your erudition, you are brainwashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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