nairi Posted February 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Char (insert name)Harutin mek@ Dbrotsen pakhav Sut khosetsav ir hor Kerav tsets aghvor, Oh, kerav tsets aghvor. Dzerq@d pagnem hayrik Al mi tsetser zis, al mi tsetser zis Te vor angm m'al anem hane im hogis, Oh, hane im hogis. style_images/master/snapback.png This pretty much sums up Armenian childhood. I was about to say that East Armenians don't have children songs because they care less about their kids, but then I read the above... Arpa, please don't tell me singing to children is new to Armenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Off topic but still... Doesn't "Kaghand Papi" sound like some evil SOB. Just pronounce it: Kaaaghghghaaand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 (edited) I remember this game, we used to sing this and do the same thing you described... Tashginage hantsnel goozem yes, goozem yes, goozem yes. Tashginage hantsnel goozem yes, pari yeghoghi me, tserke dzaloghi me. style_images/master/snapback.png Apparently, there exists many variants of this song/game! I remember it as: Tashginag m@ tskel gouzem yes, gouzem yes, gouzem yes Tashginag m@ tskel gouzem yes, pari getsoghin, ?????? Another game/song: Menk g@ khaghank andarin metch yerp vor kayl@ hos tche Kayl, kayl our es toun? The wolf responds something different each time. At the end, the wolf comes out to scare the children! Wasn't this a votanavor instead of a song? (I don't remember the rest either.) style_images/master/snapback.png Ծափիկ ծափիկ ծիրանիկ ունեմ տատիկ ու պապիկ պապս ցախ է կոտրատում տատս ճաշ է պատրաստում իսկ ես նստած ծառի տակ նկարում եմ մի անուշիկ նապաստակ իհարկէ սա վոտանավոր է, և ոչ թե երք style_images/master/snapback.png The way I understand it, a vodanavor is a bit more "serious!!!!" For some reason, I don't feel - it's subjective, of course - Dzapig dzapig dziranig as "serious!" Furthermore, there's a kind of a "tune/singing!" and as nairi mentioned: "It's usually sung while clapping with the child to the beat." If we do, how come only West Armenians here have been remembering and posting songs? Note that there are more active EAs members here than WAs (I know some will kick me for making this distinction, but since it's there, I can't help mentioning it). style_images/master/snapback.png Maybe because we are big babies! Maybe we don't grow up as fast as Eastern Armenians do and our childhood lasts longer! Edited February 4, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 ... Arpa, please don't tell me singing to children is new to Armenians. style_images/master/snapback.png Of course not! My comment about the European (missionary) influence pertained to some which may be translations or imitations. As far as "Armenians singing to their children", it is as old as time itself. We remember when Yeva, you know she was Armenian had her baby in the Yedemi Partez (partez=paradise) she sang to him "qun yeghir balas, acherd khup ara". Seriously though it is told about Aram K that his music was heavily based on the songs his mother Ghumash sang to him as a baby. She apparently was a good singer and a very musical lady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Nairi, This is not the time nor the place for cultural wars style_images/master/snapback.png Recognizing differences does not mean opposing - as in a confrontation - the two! There exist differences for historical reasons that go beyond the Genocide. The denial of differences in the name of "political correctness" is a form of "a-culturalism!" "Differences can be additive." (Saint Exupery??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Recognizing differences does not mean opposing - as in a confrontation - the two! There exist differences for historical reasons that go beyond the Genocide. The denial of differences in the name of "political correctness" is a form of "a-culturalism!" "Differences can be additive." (Saint Exupery??) style_images/master/snapback.png Atom Jan. Let me call you by your given name of Atom Yarjanian You may have missed the smiley I placed after the word "war". Just for that here are a few more :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 (edited) Atom Jan. Let me call you by your given name of Atom Yarjanian style_images/master/snapback.png On one condition! Each time you use it, you have to say something "informative/educational" about my work! You may have missed the smiley I placed after the word "war". Just for that here are a few more (3x) style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, I did miss the meaning of the smiley! Sorry! PS. It's hard to reply - with a smile - to a post with too many smileys without violating forum rules! Edited February 4, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckBejug Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 (edited) Apparently, there exists many variants of this song/game! I remember it as: Tashginag m@ tskel gouzem yes, gouzem yes, gouzem yes Tashginag m@ tskel gouzem yes, pari getsoghin, ?????? Another game/song: Menk g@ khaghank andarin metch yerp vor kayl@ hos tche Kayl, kayl our es toun? The wolf responds something different each time. At the end, the wolf comes out to scare the children!style_images/master/snapback.png You're right about the Tashginag song, it's tsekel, not hantsnel. As for kayl kayl oores tooon?! I remember playing that like tag. 'Agraneres ge levam gorrr', 'mazers ge sandrem gorr', (we always said the gor too)... And then whoever was the kail would run around trying to yell and scare us and catch us. Ahh I miss being that little. Edited February 4, 2005 by ckBejug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 nairi, i know i promised you something here... sorry for not following up on it... soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 That's okay Harut I'm still waiting for my brother to digitalize a tape I have made for the diaspora with children songs and propaganda poems that we got from Armenia in the early 80s. I'll put it on the net for download once I get it. It's quite interesting and I think not available anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Arev, arev ekur, Eres@d mez tsuyts dur, Sev amper@ heranan U mezi el janpa tan.style_images/master/snapback.png Does this sound familiar? http://www.komitas.am/music/topikian/vol_04/sound03_play.mp3 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Does this sound familiar? http://www.komitas.am/music/topikian/vol_04/sound03_play.mp3 ... style_images/master/snapback.png Not quite Nairi, but in a way, yes. That track is "Im Chinari Yar@" by Komitas. See here, and more; http://www.komitas.am/eng/list_works.htm I have forgotten all the words. It goes : Arevn trvelov elav Im chinari yar@ La la, la la la la Im Chinari yar@. In a way it seems like it is the answer to the childrens' song above "Arev, arev". Another curious thing is that both songs are sung to the same tune, almost. BTW. Komitas and others have sung many a song about "chinar". Do you know what "chinar" is? While we're at it we may start a new thread about Komitas as that site has quite a bit about him, such as biography, music, poetry, letters etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted March 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 (edited) Yeah, I mostly meant the tune Remember? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9796 Oh and chinar: isn't that a sort of tree? I bet you'll say no! Edited March 1, 2005 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 (edited) Arev, arev ekur, Eres@d mez tsuyts dur, Sev amper@ heranan U mezi el janpa tan. style_images/master/snapback.png The word "ekur" reminded me of another one, that I can hardly remember: Yegour, yegour siroun aghtchig [i can't remember the rest!] Edited March 2, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 The work "ekur" reminded me of another one, that I can hardly remember: Yegour, yegour siroun aghtchig [i can't remember the rest!] style_images/master/snapback.png sirun aghchik yegur hos, qez ktanem yegiptos, yegiptosen hunastan, verj@ yertanq hayastan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 The work "ekur" reminded me of another one, that I can hardly remember: Yegour, yegour siroun aghtchig [i can't remember the rest!] style_images/master/snapback.png Yekur, yekur aghvor aghchik, Mi am@chnar sirun aghchik, Yes qez harmar aghvor manchik. Inch aghvor es, shat aghvor es, Ashkharhis mej mek hatik es. Hey.... There may be more but I feel silly as it is very crude and vulgar with little esthetic, poetic and musical merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 sirun aghchik yegur hos, qez ktanem yegiptos, yegiptosen hunastan, verj@ yertanq hayastan... style_images/master/snapback.png Yekur, yekur aghvor aghchik, Mi am@chnar sirun aghchik, Yes qez harmar aghvor manchik. Inch aghvor es, shat aghvor es, Ashkharhis mej mek hatik es. Hey.... There may be more but I feel silly as it is very crude and vulgar with little esthetic, poetic and musical merit. style_images/master/snapback.png Harut, Arpa: Thanks! I remember both. I had in mind the one Arpa posted. As I remember it, the second one "aveli nazov bedk eh yerkel." In the first one, the end of each verse is strongly accentuated! Also, it seems to be that - sometimes - the lyrics slightly varied from one "region/village/family" to another! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 (edited) The other day, the word "pull" revived the following in me: "Yev kashetsink, kashgrdetsink Shaghgam@ deghen tchi hanetsink." Maybe someone knows/remembers the rest! nairi, Do you see what you have done to our subconscious? It is erupting such a once dormant volcano. Often, volcanos erupt to shake and crackle the earthly crust that covers - and hides - it. Will the memories erupting from our dormant childhood shake us and crackle the mask we've chosen to wear as adults? Or is the mask already too callous? Edited March 13, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 The other day, the word "pull" revived the following in me: "Yev kashetsink, kashgrdetsink Shaghgam@ deghen tchi hanetsink." Maybe someone knows/remembers the rest! style_images/master/snapback.png I can't remeber all of it either. Tatik@ kanchets mamikin Ha kashetsin, kshkshetsin Shoghkam@ teghen chin hanetsin. Mamik@ kanchets tornikin ..... Tornik@ kanshets shnikin ...... Shnik@ kanchets pisikin .......... Pisik@ kanchets mknikin ......... Mknik@ kanchets mrjnikin ......... Ha qashetsin qashkshetsin Shghkam@ teghen chi hanetsin. Is this it? http://www.indianchild.com/farmer%20in%20the%20dell.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted March 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Didn't Khnko Aper translate this from the (original?) Russian version at one point? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10649 Maybe Aneta has the full version at hand. I know my parents have it somewhere at their house, but I don't. Also, I only remember this recited (and even played out -- where we would stand behind each other and pretend to be pulling a shaghgam out of the ground), never sung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 I can't remeber all of it either. Tatik@ kanchets mamikin Ha kashetsin, kshkshetsin Shoghkam@ teghen chin hanetsin. Mamik@ kanchets tornikin ..... Tornik@ kanshets shnikin ...... Shnik@ kanchets pisikin .......... Pisik@ kanchets mknikin ......... Mknik@ kanchets mrjnikin ......... Ha qashetsin qashkshetsin Shghkam@ teghen chi hanetsin. Is this it? http://www.indianchild.com/farmer%20in%20the%20dell.htm style_images/master/snapback.png Yes. Thanks! Also, I only remember this recited (and even played out -- where we would stand behind each other and pretend to be pulling a shaghgam out of the ground), never sung. style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, one can say that this is a game; but, as I remember it, I would say that it's rather sung than recited! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iminhokis Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 (edited) (songs yorgantz) http://shop.store.yahoo.com/eworldrecords/yorforchil.html 1. Ayp-Ou Pen 2. Haf Hafic 3. Darva Chors Yeghanagnere 4. Mayrig Jan 5. Nor Dari 6. DJegoudig 7. Daretardtz E Aysor 8. Hayeren Hayeren 9. Hayeren Gerkenk 10. Dikranig 11. Barenk Rock'n Roll 12. Tzamer Babi 13. Lambada 14. Karoun E Karoun 15. Choo-Choo Shokegark - Ohh khoumper (meg avor me dessa, aniga gouzem....blablabla) Edited July 28, 2005 by iminhokis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Of course not! My comment about the European (missionary) influence pertained to some which may be translations or imitations. As far as "Armenians singing to their children", it is as old as time itself. We remember when Yeva, you know she was Armenian had her baby in the Yedemi Partez (partez=paradise) she sang to him "qun yeghir balas, acherd khup ara". Seriously though it is told about Aram K that his music was heavily based on the songs his mother Ghumash sang to him as a baby. She apparently was a good singer and a very musical lady. Of course. AK was born in 1903. Once Lenin Qeri and Stalin Papik took over all previous culture was remanded to a petri dish of E-Coli. Too bad natives of Yerevan did not know this Komitas’ song “Dzig du qashi ay yez@, ara ho“. A song that would cause our choirmasters to have nightmares as we could not resist the temptation to sing it as “Siktir qashir….” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armenak Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 This was going to give me a seizure: http://myspace.com/hoylari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luhay Posted March 13, 2007 Report Share Posted March 13, 2007 Please help! I am looking for a Children's CD, and one of the songs goes like this: "Shokegarke pouf, pouf, pouf, arak, arak ge vaze......". I need to find out the name of the singer and possibly where the CD can be purchased. My friend recently had a baby and I want to surprise her because the child is way too young for The Beatles. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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