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Today's (Wednesday, April 20th) Los Angeles Times has a longish article in the 'California' ( section about the Armenian Genocide. There is a picture on the front page of the California ( section of the people marching (March for Humanity) from Fresno to Sacramento and an article on page B3. The title of the article is: Marchers Remind World of 1915 Armenian Genocide. They refer to it as the Genocide of Armenians by the Ottoman Turks and fortunatley don't use any words like 'alleged' or anything like that. I have provided a link to the article but the link is only temporary as LA times disables links after the day is over, so you guys should go out and buy a copy of the newspaper. Perhaps someone more eloquent than me can write a letter to the LA Times thanking them for this article. See article here, temporary link If you guys know of any more articles out there, please reply to this thread so we can all know about it. Thanks!

Aww, that gorilla is so cute!!

Sideways was excellent. It was a great movie, you should all see it! The church in the movie is St. Gregory, it's the Church I go to, the Armenian Catholic Church in Glendale.

http://homepage.mac.com/dezendorf/binladen.jpg Perhaps journalists have figured out the ultimate way to become objective: cover all possible bases and consider every angle no matter how unlikely. Perhaps this is CNN’s new approach after cancelling shows like “Crossfire” where ‘experts’ constantly disagreed. It is nice to see all the ‘experts’ agree. Who are these 'experts' and how did they become SO brilliant?! Does anyone know how to become an ‘expert’ for the news media? Seems like an easy job.

"How many political idealists does it take to screw in a light bulb? How many? None. Political idealists can't change shit." (modest mouse member isaac brock - rolling stone magazine) ----- How many surgeons does it take to screw in a light bulb? One. He holds up the light bulb and the world revolves around him. ----- How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb Only one but the bulb has to really want to change. ----- How many racists does it take to change a lightbulb? Racists have always been in the dark... ----- How many radical feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? JUST ONE, OKAY?!? DON'T YOU THINK WOMEN CAN DO ANYTHING MEN CAN?!? ----- How many microsoft employees does it take to screw in a lightbulb? 3 to give useless advice then refer you to the next in an endless circle, then 1 to write a program to do it for you, 1 to put a ridiculous price on that program, and one to sell you the additional software to run that program. and finally, the program doesnt work and you start again in the dark!

You're right about the Tashginag song, it's tsekel, not hantsnel. As for kayl kayl oores tooon?! I remember playing that like tag. 'Agraneres ge levam gorrr', 'mazers ge sandrem gorr', (we always said the gor too)... And then whoever was the kail would run around trying to yell and scare us and catch us. Ahh I miss being that little.

It seems like we have the same amount of songs, doesn't it? I mean most of what some of you said in Arevelahayeren (Eastern Armenian) I recall having sung in Arevmdahayeren (Western Armenian).

I remember this game, we used to sing this and do the same thing you described... Tashginage hantsnel goozem yes, goozem yes, goozem yes. Tashginage hantsnel goozem yes, pari yeghoghi me, tserke dzaloghi me.

It is a verrry short book. I can't see it taking more than 15 min to read. It's only about 70 pages. I will read it.

"ficto-journalism and journo-fictionalism"

hahhahhaha, good one. ______________________ Dear John, I have been unable to sleep since I broke off our engagement. Won't you forgive and forget? Your absence is breaking my heart. I was a fool! Nobody can take your place. I love you. All my love, Belinda. xxxxoooxxxx P.S. Congratulations on winning this week's lottery. ___________________________________ And another thing.... Easy to do 'Dear John' letter.

I also remember a bunch of Christmas songs in Armenian, unfortunately I only remember bits and peices of them .... 1. Tonatsar jan tonatsar inch sirun es u paytsar. es inch lavn e es inch lavn e, chors koghme luys u payle, es inch lavn e es inch lavn e, chors koghme luys u payle. karmir astgh gagatin tsari tak dzmer papin. es inch lavn e es inch lavn e, chors koghme luys u payle, es inch lavn e es inch lavn e, chors koghme luys u payle. 2. Gahanti dzar, siroonig dzar, Vorkan aghvor es tooon aysor, Khaghalikner, jabavenner, Togh zartareen aysor noren. [i don't remember the rest here] Kooyn kooyn momer, var asdghigner, Togh zartareen aysor noren. [i don't remember the rest here] 3. Gaghant baba, gaghant baba Sareroon vrayen goo ka, Layn patzek tzer trnere Gaghant baban togh ners ka. Jermag morook, jermag mazer Garmeer hakousd eh hakel Dobrag me grnagin vra, Tserkn al kavazan me ga Parineroon nver gooda, Aghvor dzedz me chareroon Oosdee dghak chanatsek, Ellal paree khelokig 4. Badrasdel enk menk Nor darva hantes, Nor darva hantes, Nor Darva hantes, Dzahigner oonenk, timagner bes bes, timagner bes bes, zankatsek! Toore pats mer nor Tsemer Babin, ners ge ka, medz barge shalagin, tsooyn anooshner yerke shertnerin, toorse ge khmpin dir manoognerin, Tic Tak zankagner, zakagner oorakh, yerkov oo barov, zankatset! [i'm sure I am getting words wrong and I'm not sure if there is more to this one?] Does anyone happen to know the right words to these songs?

I am going to try to fill in the rest as best I remember for some of the one's you left without an end.....

I think that a lot of things can be beautiful. More beautiful than physical beauty, or any kind of beauty you can touch or feel, is beauty that can be found in words... Maybe because when you read something you see it in your imagination the way you might perceive it to be and it's like putting a personal touch to something beautiful that someone else has written.. In my opinion, the follwing passage is very beautiful.

There is a Sasoun Bakery in Hollywood, any relation to this place in the Valley? The one in Hollywood has very very good boregs and manaesh and lahmajoun. SASOUN BAKERY 5114 SANTA MONICA BLVD Los Angeles, CA 90029-2414 323-661-1868 Also, Sahag's Basturma in Hollywood has the best best best tasting Soujoukh sanwiches. He sells tel banir, and soujoukh, and Basturma(which I will never taste but apparently it's good.), among other things. All very good. Sahag's Basturma 5183 Sunset Blvd. Little Armenia (Hollywood) (323) 661-5311 Link: http://www.littlearmenia.com/html/shop/sto...gs-basturma.asp

I don't think I can take another day of this horrible terrible winter weather in LA. As I look outside this is the view that greets me.... brrrrrrrrr..... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/ckBejug/towardolive.jpg They are predicting several more days of this weather. What a horrible winter indeed.

From what I have read so far it seems like everyone who has commented so far is basically giving their own opinions of the opposite, or same, sex and generalizing these opinions to be their view of the population of women or men as a whole. In fact, in the five pages of this thread as well as probably all the other threads in this 'Gender Issues' forum I bet we can see the same thing over and over again... Women are like this, and men are like that, and men are better at this but women are better at that, women do this and men do that, but women do it better and men do it worse, blah, blah, blah... I can understand what everything that everyone is saying means, I just don't understand why you are saying it. Let me explain. Why should I care, for example, that the past 5 pages have been devoted to the discussion of whether or not women are just as good, if not better, at the sciences, than men are. Why should I care about the discussion of whether or not women get more emotional and/or confrontational when trying to solve problems? Why should there ultimately be a gender that is the ‘winner’ in that all members of that gender are known to be smarter, harder working, better at math or science or whichever subject matter, better at solving problems, better at understanding concepts, better at listening, and I could go on… We all know that intelligence level is a varying thing that differs from one person to the next. We all know that problem solving abilities are personal abilities one either has or does not have, again this varies from one person to the next. We all know that cooking abilities vary from one person to the next, and so on and so forth to every single thing that we are fighting over, trying to relegate to either something ‘men are better at’ or ‘women are better at’. Now then, what happens when we finally come to an agreement about who the winner is in any or all of the above things I mentioned? I’ll tell you. Nothing at all!! It doesn’t make a difference in my day to day life who is better at what. Does it make a difference in your day to day life whether or not it is certain that ‘men are better at’ doing a, b, and c and ‘women are better at’ doing d, e, and f? No! So, what exactly is the purpose of all the arguing and griping and trying to one-up each other in a debate that is going nowhere? No one is the winner! No one can say for certain that men in general are ‘better at’ doing particular things because you can’t generalize for such an enormous population of people. Say we all decided today that men are better at something and women aren’t as capable as men in that particular subject. How would knowing this fact change your day to day life or the life of anyone else for that matter? It wouldn’t, would it? Everyone would still be going about their daily lives and nothing would be any different that it was before it was decided that ‘men are better at ____’. So why do we still argue? As for the reason this thread was started in the first place, I think that it should be obvious from this "During Dr Summers's presidency, the proportion of tenured jobs offered to women has fallen from 36 per cent to 13 per cent. Last year, only four of 32 tenured job openings were offered to women." that he does indeed have some kind of bias against women. Or is it some random coincidence that since he has been on board there's been a lack of women faculty members qualified for tenure positions? Yeah, right. And another thing... even if he was trying to provoke questioning and studies in this 'biological' difference between men and women and whether that is the reason men have more of a presence 'in the sciences' how would one go about looking at actual biological differences. I can't imagine any study that could go to the biological roots of any kind of difference. I can however see social/psychological studies that might show that women are just as capable as men, but women have been 'left behind' in the sciences because men who have paved ways in sciences have been narrow-minded jerks in the past. Case in point: "Nor is Summers alone in being unaware of the large set of experiments showing that well-intentioned people, intelligent people, people who believe in a meritocracy -- people, in short, just like many successful college presidents -- consistently underrate women's abilities and overrate men's." Even such a generalized study that might possibly find a biological difference (hahaha) between men and women and scientific abilities wouldn't mean anything because there are tons of women out there who are smarter/more capable at the sciences than men and tons of men out there who are smarter/more capable at the sciences than women and we can't honestly say that one gender is more capable than the other. By the way... Hello all.

Thus Spoke Zarathustra.... I agree it's GREAT!! (When Zarathustra was thirty years old, he left his home and the lake of his home, and went into the mountains. There he enjoyed his spirit and his solitude, and for ten years did not weary of it.) I only wish I knew Russian so I could read the original version, no translations... I also like Ecce Homo. There needs to be more hours in a day because I feel there is not enough time to read and digest all these incredible incredible works. That's quite a disappointment.... Also, I believe in love. Definitely... (just to come back to the topic at hand )

here's some names for the fears we have..... =) Achluophobia- Fear of darkness Acrophobia or Altophobia- Fear of heights Ankylophobia- Fear of immobility of a joint Arachnephobia or Arachnophobia- Fear of spiders Arrhenphobia or Androphobia- Fear of men Atychiphobia- Fear of failure Gephyrophobia or GephGephyrophobia or Gephydrophobia or Gephysrophobia- Fear of crossing bridges.

I'll read whatever I can get my hands on... I've read a lot of 'old' stuff like you guys mentioned... I've been trying out some new books lately, I just finished 'Angels & Demons' and 'The Da Vinci Code', both by Dan Brown. I thought these books were going to be just one of those things that people over-hype and talk about that fail to deliver, but I was wrong. Both books are quite worth picking up.

This movie almost made no sense, but then it did. I don't know if that makes sense. I'm still trying to figure out if it helps to know that the character played by the dawsons creek dude is the brother of the character Christian Bale plays in 'American Psycho'<--- did you ever see that movie? I saw 'Miracle' (with Kurt Russel) this weekend. It was actually a pretty good feel-good movie. It't about the 1980 Olympics in Lake Placid when the Americans beat all odds and upset the Russian team in ice hockey. You know the team is going to win but it's still cool to watch them all upset and working hard and they play the game with such conviction it's almost as if you're watching the USA team beat the Russuans all over again. I'm all for great competition, I think that's what makes watching mosts sports fun, when the underdog wins or when the game is soo close to call. Anyway I give it a 9. Wish there were more people at the theatre watching the movie.........

Yes! That book is right on my bedside table right now. lol. Are you outside my room looking in????

I am afraid of looking in through a window to a dark room or outside into vast spaces... like if I have to pass a window at night and it looks outside to a big backyard or a room that's dark... Creeps me out. I'm afraid I'm going to one day see someone looking back, which would probably scare me to death. Someone just standing there looking back... Oh, creepy.

Sometimes... there is fear in fleeting moments I rise above the ground in whirlwinds of stolen security and then, it's a slow process... I can feel it slipping, slipping gone Is the fear not worth it? If I can feel it blow. I could lay it out for you but... That would be so unpoetic and trite Now I experience banality what so many others must, and write about. It's no good Humans. So imprecise and tedious when upset. I will let myself go. (by me)

Hey Anonymouse, it's a pity if you used to know Barouyr Sevag's works and have since forgotten them.. it's well worth it to learn some of his panasdeghdzootiuns if you have time... Here's a great link for that poem and others in Armenian. If you can't see it in Armenian, somewhere on the page there is a link to download this Armenianfont viewer, it's free and downloads quickly. "Menk mez votch vokitz tchenk geradatzoum Paytz mez'el kidenk,mez Hye'en asoum, Yev intchou bidi tchi hbardanank, Gank` bidi linenk` yev ter shadanank." As for me, I am reading some Վահան Տերյան right now... ՀՐԱԺԵՇՏԻ ԽՈՍՔԵՐԻՑ Ո՛չ տրտունջ, ո՛չ մրմունջ սգավոր, Հեռացի՛ր, մոռացիր ինձ հավետ. Իմ ուղին միշտ մթին, մենավոր, Կըգնամ իմ դժկամ ցավի հետ Ւմ ճամփան՝ անվախճան մի գիշեր, Ւնձ շոյող ոչ մի շող չի ժպտա.— Հեռացի՛ր, մոռացի՛ր, մի՛ հիշիր, Ինձ այդպես, քրոջ պես մի՛ գթա... Հուսաբեկ, մութ ու մեգ թող լինի, Ւմ վերև թող արև չըխնդա. Լոկ երկունք, լոկ արցունք թող լինի, Ինձ այդպես, քրոջ պես մի՛ գթա... 1905