nairi Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 My brother keeps claiming that East Armenians only have a handful of children songs. This is why, he says, we mostly grew up with Yerevan-Yerebuni, Sardarapat and Zeytuntsiner. He recalls my parents looking for children songs in Armenia in the early 80s and hardly finding any. After a long search, my uncle finally came back with Ara Kekejian's compilation for children. A West Armenian. Is this really true? What mankakan yerger do we have besides "tsapik tsapik tsirani" and "dnko-ko"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 My brother keeps claiming that East Armenians only have a handful of children songs. This is why, he says, we mostly grew up with Yerevan-Yerebuni, Sardarapat and Zeytuntsiner. He recalls my parents looking for children songs in Armenia in the early 80s and hardly finding any. After a long search, my uncle finally came back with Ara Kekejian's compilation for children. A West Armenian. Is this really true? What mankakan yerger do we have besides "tsapik tsapik tsirani" and "dnko-ko"? style_images/master/snapback.png there are quite many childrens armenian songs... Arev arev, yek yek , is one very famous in wich i remember.. I belive that we have a very great amount of children songs written.... Not only by adults...but little children writing them...I have a few published in soviet armenia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 "Qerin ekav mer bake" (a pretty wierd song actually) "Tsitsernak" (not sure if it is a kid song) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 That's 3. With mine, that's makes 5. A handful exactly. Any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 most children poems out there (there are many of them) have been turned into songs, if not by professonal composers, then by some kindergarten teachers for sure. my mother worked in a kindergarten for long time and had many children poems/songs books. i'll check out if she has brought any of them with her, when i go home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 (edited) Pesika nester me mut ankunum was one of my favorite songs of all time. That's all I could think of right now. Edit: Je Je, Payta je is another one Edited February 1, 2005 by ExtraHye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Edit: Je Je, Payta je is another one style_images/master/snapback.png Extra, it is more like "dzi, dzi" than "je, je", no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Extra, it is more like "dzi, dzi" than "je, je", no? style_images/master/snapback.png Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 but just off top of my head... "dahukner", "... kanach, kanach batsatum, vazvzum em, trchkotum..." (the name? something about "napastak"), "jan im gndak, im gndak", "pison, pison mlavan, Tavriz@ toghets, paxav Van" (), etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 I'm looking forward Harut! Ames, "pisiki gangat@" is a poem by Hovhannes Tumanian, and I'm not so sure how mankakan it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 -Ay napastak im sirun. -Kaqavi Erg, Andzrev ekav shaghalen both by Toumanian/Komitas -Dzit@ tsarin tslvlum e -Kghand Papa Pison, pison mlavan Tavriz toghets, pakhav Van, Lezun tatkhan, erkar poch, Inch vor uzets asin voch. Pison gnats goghegogh, Por@ dadark, sirt@ dogh, Dunch@ meknets kovkitin, Sherepn ijav jakatin. Toumanian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 i mean what is childrens songs...There many songs that are made specially for children, but generally they are just simple songs that chidlren sing usually in armenian schools. like the "hingalla" song 'hovive sarom tkhrets siro yerkge nvagets'... aragil ajbem kin i yerke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 as a kid I use to sing "Ara vay vay" does that count? What about "Ainpes uzum em anunt grel, kes gisherayin avazi vra..." No? How about Lenin papin manuk e yeghel mer nman pstik &ir yev sirunik brnele e titer (pardon my french) vor@ chop koxel u bats e toghel... Sorry I am feeling stuped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 There many songs that are made specially for childrenstyle_images/master/snapback.png This is what I'm talking about. "Hin gala" is not for (young) children. Arpa Papa, only 4??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 I'm looking forward Harut! Ames, "pisiki gangat@" is a poem by Hovhannes Tumanian, and I'm not so sure how mankakan it is... style_images/master/snapback.png Guess that was one of the songs that the teachers converted into songs like Harut said. My teacher used to sing it to us all the time. Ahhhh, the good old days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 We did not sing this, rather recited, but it could be sung to the tune of Twinkle Twinkle. Mknik, mknik, char mknik Kerar panirn u hatsik Kerar shaqarn el aghvor Eghar shat, shat hantsavor. Pakhir, pakhir du mknik, Inch ketser es, al heriq, Hima k'uga mer pisik Qez k'ane pzzik, pzzik. ====== Arev, arev ekur, Eres@d mez tsuyts dur, Sev amper@ heranan U mezi el janpa tan. ======= Who remembers the rest of this ditty? I guess this is how Ter Totik taught the Ayb Ben Gim. Ayb@ ereq matik uni, Ben@ kakhvats tatik uni, Gim@ dziu sandzi pes e Da-n ktrvats tandzi pes e... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Arev, arev ekur, Eres@d mez tsuyts dur, Sev amper@ heranan U mezi el janpa tan.style_images/master/snapback.png I'm guessing this is the WA version EA goes: Arev, arev yek yek Zizi qarin ver yek Sev sev amper heratseq Arevin tchampa tveq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 (edited) Klorik, klorik shaqar hats, Porik@s anoti mnats, Ertam nayim patuhanen Anushik hayrik@s ur mnats. === Jim, jim matnotsik Sev aqlor@ mortetsinq, Yeghov meghrov patetsinq, Tonirin tak@ pahetsinq. The above are not really songs in the strictest sense even though many mothers will make up tunes and sing them. These are rather show and tell, acting rhymes. Specially the first one where the cupped hands are held up and rotated as if rotating a ball, the child will imitate. When saying porik@s the hand is rubbed aginst the stomach in a rotating manner, when saying nayim the hands are held over the eye as if peeking, and when saying ur the hand once again is rotated in a questioning motion. Is that where the Armenian question mark takes its shape? The second is also a game where the hands are placed down with the palms down and the fingers spread, and while saying jim jim the fingers are pinched (jimjik). The ditty goes furhter where the rooster is revived and flies away PRRR, and the hands are spread out imitating flight. Edited February 2, 2005 by Arpa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted February 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Arpa, I've never heard these... I guess my brother is right when he says West Armenians have produced more children songs/rhymes than East Armenians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 My brother keeps claiming that East Armenians only have a handful of children songs. This is why, he says, we mostly grew up with Yerevan-Yerebuni, Sardarapat and Zeytuntsiner. He recalls my parents looking for children songs in Armenia in the early 80s and hardly finding any. After a long search, my uncle finally came back with Ara Kekejian's compilation for children. A West Armenian. Is this really true? What mankakan yerger do we have besides "tsapik tsapik tsirani" and "dnko-ko"? style_images/master/snapback.png NOt true Lenin PApikn e Manuk e yeghel ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Klorik, klorik shaqar hats, Porik@s anoti mnats, Ertam nayim patuhanen Anushik hayrik@s ur mnats. === Jim, jim matnotsik Sev aqlor@ mortetsinq, Yeghov meghrov patetsinq, Tonirin tak@ pahetsinq. style_images/master/snapback.png reminded another one from that "series"... (i'm not sure though if i remember it right) jor, jor, jor gna... ??? tun gna... mamen (?) zhamen yekel e korkot apur yepel e .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpa Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 reminded another one from that "series"... (i'm not sure though if i remember it right) jor, jor, jor gna... ??? tun gna... mamen (?) zhamen yekel e korkot apur yepel e .... style_images/master/snapback.png Harut, is there Marashtsi in your ancestry? Here it is in the Marash dialect, a little trkakharn. Jor, jor, jor ella Aghchin mounanq mashallah Mer aghchin@ lusenko Harsuk keninq ishalla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Wow, brings back great memories. Thanks Nairi I used to know all the songs mentioned here like "Pison...", "Kerin yekav" (weird song indeed), "Payte dzi", "Kanach batsatum"... This song is very childish. My brother and I used to sing this when we were toddlers. Klorik, tmbelik, Hasaks chstlik, Achqers xaghoghik, Ayters xndzorik, Ov ka indz pes sirunik? Chka, chka, chka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Harut, is there Marashtsi in your ancestry? Here it is in the Marash dialect, a little trkakharn. Jor, jor, jor ella Aghchin mounanq mashallah Mer aghchin@ lusenko Harsuk keninq ishalla. style_images/master/snapback.png both of my grandfathers were of Yedesyo ancestry... here is how we know it... jor, jor, jor gna yel vaze mamonts gna mamon zhen yekel e korkot apur yepel e ker, ker, kshtatsi ar gtalik@ lze ar sherepik@ vaze mamon @nkni chamur@ manch@* @nkni xamur@... *the name of the kid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 (edited) Klorik, klorik shaqar hats, Porik@s anoti mnats, Ertam nayim patuhanen Anushik hayrik@s ur mnats. === Jim, jim matnotsik Sev aqlor@ mortetsinq, Yeghov meghrov patetsinq, Tonirin tak@ pahetsinq. The above are not really songs in the strictest sense even though many mothers will make up tunes and sing them. These are rather show and tell, acting rhymes. Specially the first one where the cupped hands are held up and rotated as if rotating a ball, the child will imitate. When saying porik@s the hand is rubbed aginst the stomach in a rotating manner, when saying nayim the hands are held over the eye as if peeking, and when saying ur the hand once again is rotated in a questioning motion. Is that where the Armenian question mark takes its shape? The second is also a game where the hands are placed down with the palms down and the fingers spread, and while saying jim jim the fingers are pinched (jimjik). The ditty goes furhter where the rooster is revived and flies away PRRR, and the hands are spread out imitating flight. style_images/master/snapback.png Besides the ones above, I vaguely remember the following: 1- Bzdig oryortig@, nsdere senyag@ Gou la, gou la Yelir oryort, yelir Atchkert srpe [i don't remember the rest!] 2- Nabasdag, nabasdag Intch getser yes, dzarin dag Yegour yertank mer doun@ Tchem kar, tchem kar tser doun@ Tser pagin??? sev shoun@ [i don't remember the words, but something like: the dog may eat my tail!} 3- Dgha anount Khoren, hele hele ninoye Tsaynt gou ka akhoren, hele hele nonoye Dgha anount Haroutioun, hele hele nonoye Intchou gnes tcharoutioun, hele hele nonoye etc. etc. 4- (A little patriotic!) Hay em yes, Hay em yes Katch Vartanin torn em yes {I don't remember the rest!] 5- (From the French!) Hagop yeghpayr, Hagop yeghpayr Artntsir, artntsir Yelir zankag@ zarg, yelir zankag@ zarg Ding dang dong, ding dang dong Edited February 2, 2005 by Siamanto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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