MSHAK Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 TURKISH SINGER DISTORTS "ADANA LAMENTATION", A SONG DEVOTED TO GENOCIDE She Calls this Sacrilege a Wish to Talk of Genocide http://shirakshahrikian.com/tr/images/034.jpg The first song of Turkish singer Seden Gurel’s "Bir Kadın Şarkı Sylyor" album (2004) is the Armenian song known as "Adana Lamentation" devoted to the massacres of Adana’s Armenian population in 1909. In her album "Adana Lamentation" turned into a love song titled "Sebebim Aşk" - "The Reason is Love". http://www.sedengurel.com/images/cdcover_bkss.gif Sibel Alas is the author of the words, and Istanbul Armenian Shirak Shahrikian’s duduk accompanies the song. The latter’s participation in this sacrilege aroused the indignation of the Armenian community in Istanbul. Shahrikian wrote an article in Turkish for www.bolsahays.com Armenian website trying to justify himself where he says that the Armenians’ disapproval was expressed by numerous phone calls. Seden Gurel, in her turn, wrote a letter in September of 2004 where she tries to convince that the aim of the song was to tell the Turkish people of the Genocide (Gurel used the word "soykırım" – genocide – thus recognizing the Armenian genocide). It’s hard to say how the Turkish society learns about the Armenian Genocide by listening to "The Reason is Love". The song was broadcasted by one of Turkish state TV channels on April 24 with the accompaniment of semi-naked Turkish women’s dance. The song’s video clipping is available at http://www.sedengurel.com/video/sebebimask.zip AZG Armenian Daily #002, 12/01/2005 «ԱԴԱՆԱՅԻ ՈՂԲԸ» ԵՐԳԻ ԹՈՒՐՔԱԿԱՆ ԱՂԱՎԱՂՈՒՄԸ Թուրք երգչուհի Սեդեն Գյուրելը այս սրբապղծությունը մեկնաբանում է որպես ցեղասպանության մասին խոսելու ցանկություն Թուրք երգչուհի Սեդեն Գյուրելի «Bir Kadin S,arki SՓylՖyor» ալբոմի (2004) առաջին կատարումը Ադանայի հայության ջարդին (1909թ.) նվիրված հայկական «Ադանայի ողբը» երգի թուրքական աղավաղումն է՝ վերածված սիրերգի՝ «Պատճառս սերն է» (Sebebim As,k) վերնագրով: http://shirakshahrikian.com/tr/images/015.jpg «Պատճառս սերն է» աղավաղումի բառերը գրել է Սիբել Ալաշը, իսկ դուդուկի նվագակցումը կատարում է ստամբուլաբնակ երաժիշտ Շիրակ Շահրիկյանը: Շահրիկյանի մասնակցությունն այս սրբապղծությանն արժանացել է Ստամբուլի (Թուրքիա) հայության զայրույթին, որն, ինչպես Շահրիկյանը գրում է www.bolsohays.com -ում տպագրված ինքնարդարացման «Zorunlu Aciklama» թուրքերեն հոդվածում, արտահայտվել է բազմաթիվ բողոք-հեռախոսազանգերի միջոցով: Իր հերթին, Սեդեն Գյուրելը, 2004 թվականի սեպտեմբերին գրած նամակում փորձում է համոզել, որ երգի կատարման նպատակը թուրք ժողովրդին ցեղասպանության մասին պատմելն է (Գյուրելն օգտագործում է թուրքերեն soykirim-ցեղասպանություն բառը, այսպիսով՝ ճանաչելով Հայոց ցեղասպանությունը): http://www.sedengurel.com/images/gallery/009.jpg Թե ինչպես է թուրք հասարակությունը ծանոթանում Հայոց ցեղասպանությանը «Պատճառս սերն է» երգով, դժվար է ասել: Մի կողմից՝ «Պատճառս սերն է» երգի բառերի վերջում հաճախ գրվում է «Խոսք՝ Սիբել Ալաշ, Ադանայի ողբը (հայկական երաժշտություն)», մյուս կողմից ապրիլի 24-ին երգը կատարվում է Թուրքիայի պետական հեռուստաընկերություններից մեկի էկրանին՝ մոտ տաս կիսամերկ կանանց պորտապարի զուգակցմամբ: Երգի տեսահոլովակը կարելի է դիտել http://www.sedengurel.com/video/sebebimask.zip հասցեում: * Նյութի թուրքերեն թարգմանություններն իրականացվել են թուրքագետ Արտակ Շաքարյանի,և ճարտարապետ Վահան Գավաֆյանի օգնությամբ: Սույն հոդվածի «խմբագրված» տարբերակը տպագրվել է 2005 թվականի հունվարի 3-ին, Հունաստանի «Ազատ օր» օրաթերթի կողմից (www.azator.gr)՝ առանց հեղինակի անվան հիշատակման: ՍԻՄՈՆ ՄԱՂԱՔՅԱՆ, Դենվեր Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 (&*^%$^ *(&^&*^%^$& i *(&^%&(*^%(*&^*(& &^%^**%^(&*^*Y *&^(*&^(*&(* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 it's disgusting, I could not even finish watching that video but even sadder that Armenians in LA continue playing turkish tunes at their weddings, doing exactly the same - taking the melody and changing the words to Armenian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAK Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 but even sadder that Armenians in LA continue playing turkish tunes at their weddings, doing exactly the same - taking the melody and changing the words to Armenian style_images/master/snapback.png Yes its terrible.... But nothing can be worse than to take a mourning song, convert it to love song and play it on the mourning day with semi-naked women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 it will end one day - will be just like it was in 1980s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Yes its terrible.... But nothing can be worse than to take a mourning song, convert it to love song and play it on the mourning day with semi-naked women. style_images/master/snapback.png turq@ mnuma turq voch avel voch pakas turq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAK Posted January 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 it will end one day - will be just like it was in 1980s style_images/master/snapback.png Yes, what started on April 24, 1915 will be answered some day and we'll end it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 es anasun@ im web oagi innformatsyan yev n@karnera ogtvum vay qu tsnog@ &^%*&^ %*&^%&(*)&*( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I didn't read everything you posted Mshak...but how exactly does that happen? How does a Turk take an Armenian song and put Turkish words to it and make a video out of it?I dont' get it....just sick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAK Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) es anasun@ im web oagi innformatsyan yev n@karnera ogtvum vay qu tsnog@ &^%*&^ %*&^%&(*)&*( style_images/master/snapback.png Vor sayt@ Mos jan? Shahrikiani sayt@ shirakshahrikian a, ed turq pornikin@ sedengurel isk bolsohays @ Stambuli hayeri saytn a vor mi sayti het eir? Edited January 12, 2005 by MosJan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 shiraki web sit@ duduki tak nayi tes bolor n@karner@ 90% imn en ushadir nayes k@tesnes armenian.com dudukneri vra Mshak - portsir aranst .com grelu - izur tegh@ irents reklam chanenq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAK Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 shiraki web sit@ duduki tak nayi tes bolor n@karner@ 90% imn en ushadir nayes k@tesnes armenian.com dudukneri vra Mshak - portsir aranst .com grelu - izur tegh@ irents reklam chanenq style_images/master/snapback.png tesa de vor <> brnabari, qo dudukner@ ira saytum kdni mi ban el avel: AZG oratertin namak karox es grel, vorpes ardzaganq verevi hodvacin, u dudukneri masin el grel: AZGi e-mail@ azg@azg.am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 tesa de vor <> brnabari, qo dudukner@ ira saytum kdni mi ban el avel: AZG oratertin namak karox es grel, vorpes ardzaganq verevi hodvacin, u dudukneri masin el grel: AZGi e-mail@ azg@azg.am style_images/master/snapback.png AZG dot am im namaknerin chi patasxanum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 it's disgusting, I could not even finish watching that video but even sadder that Armenians in LA continue playing turkish tunes at their weddings, doing exactly the same - taking the melody and changing the words to Armenian style_images/master/snapback.png Yes and we - as Armenians - we should be ashamed of associating ourselves with a nation of crooks and culturally inferior to us! How does a Turk take an Armenian song and put Turkish words to it and make a video out of it?I dont' get it....just sick... style_images/master/snapback.png Exactly what part comes as a surprise to you? Is it the first time you're exposed to Jurks? Their entire identity is stolen and/or fabricated: 1- The Lands 2- The genetic pool 3- Most of their vocabulary 4- The monuments i.e. Cultural Artifacts 5- etc. etc. Their National Philosophy is based on 1- First stealing 2- Then erasing all traces of the real owners 3- Finally appropriation of the spoils. Appropriation where the spoils are presented as their own heritage. The only Jurkish element left in them is their Central Asian Mindset of a looter , a criminal, a thief! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) I'm shaking with anger This Shirak Shahrikian person should be shot !!! Edited January 12, 2005 by Sulamita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Looking at it from a positive point of view: our music is hitting the popular scene in Turkey. What could be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siamanto Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Looking at it from a positive point of view: our music is hitting the popular scene in Turkey. What could be better? style_images/master/snapback.png Until the day it's true identity is totally disfigured, then appropriated and presented as Turkish! Many Armenian/Greek Cultural Artifacts have known the same faith in the past. Please keep in mind the Crook mentality of Jurks. I don't think it's a considerable loss - if any - for us Armenians; it's the disregard of our sensitivities and the lack of consideration of our feelings that we are condemning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAK Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Looking at it from a positive point of view: our music is hitting the popular scene in Turkey. What could be better? style_images/master/snapback.png Let me bring you an example. Please dont be offended. You grandfather was shot by your neighbor on June 17, 1901 because your neighbor wanted your grandfather's home and eventually destroyed the home after shotting to death your grandpa and raping his daughters. Because of the corrupted police, the neighbor of your grandfather was not put on trial. Your grandfather's daughter (might be your mother or aunt) composed a mourning song in the memory of your grandfather and that song was played in your home on every June 17. The grandson of your grandfather's neighbor denies that his grandfather has killed yours and has destroyed your grandaps home. Somehow that grandson knows about the mourning song composed by your mother. He takes that song, changes the lyrics, has a party in his home [sic- in your grandpas destroyed home] on June 17 and plays that music as loud as he can and 10 naked girls are dancing belly-dance. Now I ask you the same question. What could be better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSHAK Posted January 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 AZG dot am im namaknerin chi patasxanum style_images/master/snapback.png Mos jan its there policy not to respond. Their response can only be to publish your letter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) I'm discusted this kind of topic could find a way to forum Genocide section, whats wrong people??? this is ridiculous! Edited January 12, 2005 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) Since Edward closed the topic about the turk singing on an Armenian melody... Quote by a member: How does a Turk take an Armenian song and put Turkish words to it and make a video out of it?I dont' get it....just sick... How does an Armenian take a Turkish song and put Armenian words to it and make a vidoe out of it? ... And just in case you people haven't noticed Armenians have been doing this for years. PS. I think we should be able to discuss that topic. Just move it in the music section. Edit note: Anoushik I moved this post out from Rabiz back to this thread Edited January 12, 2005 by Azat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 I just reopened the topic for all to discuss in this section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 anybody is welcome to comment here, my objection was, this topic does not belong in the Genocide section. I still have a reservation about this kind of topics being discussed in congestion with Genocide, but I have to go along with wishes of the majority of the forum members and allow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 No Edward jan, it is not in the Genocide section anymore. However the original song was about the Genocide thus the name of the topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Since Edward closed the topic about the turk singing on an Armenian melody... Quote by a member: How does an Armenian take a Turkish song and put Armenian words to it and make a vidoe out of it? ... And just in case you people haven't noticed Armenians have been doing this for years. PS. I think we should be able to discuss that topic. Just move it in the music section. Edit note: Anoushik I moved this post out from Rabiz back to this thread style_images/master/snapback.png Sasun,I realize that...but with Armenians who do that I always assumed t hat they live or have lived in Turkey,and it's just what they like...to be honest with you my husband used to listen to Turkish music,his mother was brought up there,so she listened to it,and his grandmother and he did by default .... I'm not a very bossy person,but I put an end to that in my home....and in his car The reverse just doesn't make sense to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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