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So far I have seen only the turks to bark on the armenians and to call them terrorists. When the filthy turk, azeri, arab, afghan, chechen terrorists were killing people in artsak, the armenians were let with no other choice but to defend themselves. On the long run, the "FINAL SOLUTION" the turks have in mind, will destroy the genocidal bastards. To hold 1000 people hostage in a center of Moscow is called an active terrorism. Those terrorist were supported by the turks and most of the other have found a refuge in turkey an azerbaijan. When you kill thousands of russians(Christians) in Chechnya, you will no way will avoid the Federal governments punishment. Face the facts, you start something that you can't finish and you blame others for your miserable life.

LOL yeah, i did. the turks said ataturk, the founder of modern turkish republic, is called a dictator, but he loved his people. the turks said that the army has the final say in just about everything but we are still a democratic country. the turks said we have problems with the armenians, the greeks, the kurds, the arabs, european union, and iran...but we still have many friends. the turks said the war against sadam harms the turkish interests, but we'll support u.s. . the turks said we are part european and part asian country, while 98% of the people in turkey are muslims(identity crisis...). the turks said we are in a war with the kurds and we lost 30,000 people without ever mentioning that those 30,000 were kurds killed by the turkish soldiers :)the show was a mess. these poor people were contradicting themselves when talking about their life and identity. no armenian, or a greek could have harm the turks the way they did to themselves.

:)Well of course, we started the conversation by simply telling that the REPUBLIC OF TURKEY SUPPORTS THE INTERNATIONAL TERRORISTS while the turks try to drive out attention away from the main question. Who said the ordinary people don't suffer when there is a war in the country? Also, when one talks about the Chechens, then its worth to mention about the russians too who were massacred by thousands. The Federal governmet has sent the army to Chechenya only after the Chechens started to kill the Christians. But in any way, the main topic here is INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM AND THE SUPPORT THE TERRORISTS GET FROM THE TURKS AND THEIR AZERI BROTHERS.

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Shame on you bell.!!! You support the international terrorists who have hold over 800 people hostage. You support the bloody bastards who have massacred thousands of russians in Chechnya before the first Chechen war. You blame the ordinary people of Artsax for defending theselves from the azeri, turk, arab, and afghan juntas. The people who terrorize the world, are found refuge in turkey, azerbaijan, and georgia. The people who terrorise the world are supported by the turks in the republic of turkey and in azerbaijan. One souldn't have expect anything else from an ignorant person like you. The armenians who have survived a genocide, are called aggressors. The juntas who terrorize the world, are sympathized by the turks. You people are so predictable...SHAME ON YOU!!!

ArmTv 30 Oct 2002 "Washigton post" in its October 29th issue wrote, that the leader of Chechen guerillas Movsar Baraev and his allies kept a constant contact with their associates in Azerbaijan, Turkey, and United Arab Emirates. At the same time, the Russian "Nezavisimaya Gazeta" on the same day informed, that Azerbaijani diplmats knew the cellular phone numbers of Chechen terrorists before the attack on the theater. According to the newspaper, among those in contact with the terrorist leader Movsar Baraev were the deputy prime minister of Azerbaijan Abid Sharifov, Azerbaijan's ambassador in Moscow Ramiz Rzaev, the principal representative of "Azerbaijan Airlines" in Moscow Eldar Hajiev, his wife Zarifa Gamzaeva and sister Nazahet Kasymova, as well as the emplyee of "Azerbaijan Airlines" Sevil Alieva. The representative of subsequently closed "Ichkeria Chechen Republic" in Azerbaijan Ali Asaev was in continous and direct contact with Chechen terrorists.

RUSSIA, A GENETIC TRAIT FOR TURKS??? Turkey's Foreign Ministry sought to diffuse diplomatic tensions with Russia on Wednesday after Moscow's ambassador accused Turkish media of hypocrisy in its reporting of the Moscow siege and Chechnya. Russia's ties with Turkey have been strained by attitudes to each other's rebels, with both countries accusing the other of at least tacit support for guerrillas fighting for independence. The Turkish statement appeared to be in response to ambassador Alexander Lebedev who said on Wednesday he woundered if opposing Russia was a genetic trait for Turks. "Certain declarations by certain parties have questioned Turkey's attitude following the terror events in Moscow," the Foreign Ministry said in a written statement. "Everyone is aware of Turkish policy and commitment to the international war on terror. All countries, including the Russian Federation, have shown their appreciation." In a five-page statement: Lebedev said Turkish coverage of last week's theatre siege by Chechen rebels attacked Russian authorities for their response to the hostage-taking. He said the press had depicted the Chechen conflict differently from the way it covered Turkey's own struggle with Kurdish rebels. Newspapers and television would report alleged Russian atrocities in the rebel procince of Chechenya but ingore "the heads severed by Chechen and Arab brigands", he added. "Is this coincidence? Or it opposition to Russia a genetic sydrome? he wrote.

I also say that the turks help the chechen terrorists. Got anything to say about it...or maybe that's an old news too(?)

Pravda.ru reports: THE EUROPEANS ARE CORRECT IN THEIR REFUSAL TO MAKE TURKEY AN EU MEMBER The Russian government started a diplomatic offensive against foreign organizations that support Chechen terrorists. Theis is happening against the background of the recent hostage crisis in Moscow. Let us hope that Ahmed Zakayev's arrest in Denmark is the first success of the struggle. However, Denmark is a European country, and it chairs the Council of Europe. It is not really convenient for Copenhagen to refuse documented evidence proving the fact that Chechen emissaries are connected with terrorist. However, the situation is completely different with Turkey. Moscow asked Turkey to shut down various Chechen funds and organizations located on Turkish territory. Russia mentioned one of the most notarious Chechen organization: The Association of Chechen and Caucasion Unity. It is also worth mentioning that the terrorists who seized hundreds of hostages in the Moscow music theatre called Turkey several times. This was confirmed both by former hostages(terrorists used their phones) and by the interception of phone calls. Nevertheless, it will be very hard for Moscow to force Turkey sulfil such a request. The above-mentioned association has a financial division: the Fund for Chechen and Caucasian Unity. This fund reportedly receives up to $130 million every year from various fundamentalist organization (in the Middle East, on the Arabian Peninsula, as well as in Pakistan, Bosnia and Albania) to support terrorists. In addition, according to information from the GazetaSNG website, the Federal Security Bureau of Russia (FSB) shut down Russian division of a Kuwaiti chairty organization called the Association of Social Reforms. This organization was aptronizing the notorious Muslim Brothers terrorist group. Turkey actually plays the role of a terminal station for Chechen gurrillas and foreign hirelings, who try to penetrate the territory of Chechnya. They travel to Chechnya via Turkey and Georgia. This not news, really. Everybody knows that Chechen querrillas go to Turkey to heal their battle wounds there. Ths so-called Chechen Bureau for Public Relations and Cooperation has been operating in Turkey since 1993. This is something like a diplomatic representative office. Movladi Udugov, a terrorist ideologist, has lived in Turkey for quite a long period of time. Russia has recently demanded his delivery. Turkey refused, and Udugov vanished. Turkey does not deny the allegations of terrorist support. Pursuant to the information from the National intelligence of Turkey, several Turkish ministerial departments and firm signed more than ten financial, economic, and other agreements on cooperation with Chechen gunmen. The documents were signed during the period 1992-2002. Those agreements particularly stipulate the trafficking of oil and petroleum products from Chechnya to Turkey via Georgia, as well as training guerrillas in the Turkish Army. Gunmen were to receive the training in Turkish Northern Cyprus and even in the Kurdish southeast of Turkey, which is closed for Turkish tourists. The illegal oil business alone provided up to $150 million to the terrorist treasury each year. The Chechen diaspora in Turkey is rather large and influential. For example, there are about 25 thousand Chechens living in Istanbul. There are 20 various organizations working in Turkey to support the guerrillas. Here are a few of them: the Chechen political organization "Fighters for Freedom of Chechnya," the Chechen association "Northern Caucasus," and so on. It stands to reason that all these organizations were set up with only one goal: to collect money for terrorists. According to Russian intelligence, the Turkish special services joined Chechen terrorists in seizing a Tu-154 jetliner in March of 2001 and in taking over the Avrasia ferryboat in January of 1996. A Turkish court sentenced some of those terrorists to a short period in prison, which was absolutely inadequate for their crime. Afterwards, many of them returned to Chechnya, where they were either nabbed or killed. It is worht mentioning here that the Turkish government treats Kurdish terrorists in a much tougher way. There are many facts to prove that the Turkish government supports Chechen terrorists. Those that we mentioned are not kept secret, actually. It seems that no one thinks that they should be hidden. This is a strange thing for a country that is running after European Union membership. The Europeans are probably correct in their refusal to make Turkey an EU member.

Associated Press STUTTGART, Germany-German state investigators on Monday rejected suggestions that the seven-week delay between an FBI tip and the arrest of a Turkish man suspected of planning to bomb a U.S. military base amounted to bungling the investigation. The top security official in Baden-Wuerttemberg state, Thomas Schaeuble, acknowledged Monday that German judicial authorities had "difficulties" in contacting a witness, identified only an American woman, who told U.S. security officials that suspect Osman Petmezci, 24, was stockpilling chemicals at home. "The witness was not at the apartment where she was registered as a resident," he said. Schaeuble said the FBI tipped its German counterpart, the Federal Criminal Office, on July 17. The witness, who has since returned to the United States was located and interviewed by a German judge only on Aug. 29. Her account led to the arrest Thursday of Petmezci and his American fiancee Astrid Eyzaguirre, 23, a civilian employee at a base stor at U.S. Army Europe headquarters in Heidelberg who had access to many base facilities. The boss of a chemical factory where Petmezci worked said Monday he did not belive that Petmezic stole chemical at work, as investigators havd suggested. He described Petmezci as living a Western lifestyle, drinking alcohol and eating pork, both of which are forbidden for strict Muslims. German officials say they found bomb-making chemicals and five pipe bombs at the couple's apartment. Prosecutors belive they planned an attack on Sept. 11 on Heidelberg military installations.

A pipe bomb exploded at 10:15pm Saturday evening at the Birth of St. Mary Armenian Church in the village of Bakrkoy, Turkey. A bomb, similar to a pipe bomb was placed at the back door of the church. Although the noise from the explosion was massive, and shrapnel from the bomb was dispersed, there were no injuries and the damage to the church was not extensive. Neighbors, however, were terrified. Yesterday morning, Marmara spoke to the Chairman of the advisory body overseeing the neighborhood of the church, Dr. Vartan Erkol who said that there was only slight damage and that the perpetrators have not been caught; there are no suspects. Lately attacks on Armenian churches have become routine. Though damage from these attacks has been minimal, a message is nevertheless, being sent. It is unclear whether these attacks are organized by one sourse, or are isolated, unrelated attacks.

Some new facts continue to be published, and these facts are evidence of the huge amounts of aid secretly provided to our enemy during the last war. There are some thoughts revealed in Baku nowdays, which directly contradict the official version of the history of this war. During the trial of the former Minister of Defense Rahim Gaziev, the oppositional leader Etibar Mamedov confessed, that in the spring of 1992, with the help of Turkish special services, he delivered 500 thousand dollars to Azerbaijan for military purpose. He also told, that among those involved in the defense of Shushi there were Turkish officers-advisers, many tanks and artillery. The former Defense Minister added, that at that time the Azerbaijan army did not have heavy material at all. Rahim Gaziev told literally the following: "We were bying weapons from Russian military commanders, and we were paying a lot of money for them. It was necessary at that time, the war has its own rules, hasn't it? We think that the disclosures made in the Azerbaijani electronic newspaper Zerkalo, are interesting not only for the Azerbaijanis themselves, but also for all those, whose main job is to clean up the history of war.

sorry Azat, i just had to make a noise...ok, ok...it's over i promise hope the team of moderators aren't that angry

now that we know who is related to whom...lets get back to the topic Mehr-God does it sound the bell?

ohh, how could i miss that? seaphan too thinks that the first and the last name have a persian origin. now we know where this dumb-founded childish opinions come from.

now i see why this rubo character is so concerned about the others. no one talks to this poor creature anymore and he hopes to find a frind... what a joke

now i see why this rubo character is so concerned about the others. no one talks to this poor creature anymore and he poes to find a frind... what a joke

rubo, why are you hanging from t-bark's d***? lern to stand on your own ground frist before you are involved defending someone else. you have a record on your own that needs to be cleared, remember that. what t-bark writes is only one side of the story. after reading in between the lines, one wouldn't have hard time to understand that he sings the same song that all the other revesionists sing. To the armenians it might just sound great when someone talks about historical armenia and our rights, but for a non-armenian, "Greater Armenia" "Armenian Territories" "Us vs them" sound too provocative. James Russel too was acting as a frind of the armenians before he was cornered and forced to speak the truth. The same James Russel, the so-called true frind of the armenians, on November 5th will be presenting turkey to the world as the "protector of Asia-Minor" historical monuments. Next time, before you are involved defending someone, remember to clean your ass first because you too smell like a shit. BTW, where the hell were you last night when Hovik Nersesian was talking about distortion of the armenian history and the people like you and t-bark? Why weren't you there to defend your point about refering everything thata armenians have to the "Persians"? Had no guts to show your face, huh?

in about an hour you'll have a chance to ask the same question to Hovik Nersesian. i only regret that the webmaster alouds these much nonsense to be posted here by the turks. one must be STUPID to say that this word or that word has a kurdish origin without understanding where the kurdish language itself is originated from.

Here is a pleasant challenge that we came face to face with:) I give you my word, you will be proven wrong by an expert if you ever dare to say that Mehr is not an armenian name. Don't belive me??? (I care less) Here is a chance for you to check the facts. Tonight and every friday night, you'll have a chance to speak with Hovik Nersesian who happens to know the old Pahlavi(and not only). He is an academic from New York. http://www.amga.tv/live.asp hey t-bark, what is your real name? got something to hide, dude? I seen you making such provocative comments in the past too. That should be typical to the turks, huh? Hope you'll have guts to speak the expert that i mentioned.

MosJan, tonight at 8:30p.m./pacific time/, they will be in a live program here in glendale. You can either watch the program on Ch. 26, or just listen them at http://www.amga.tv/live.asp http://www.amga.tv/

Talk to Hovik Nersisian every friday at 11:30p.m./Pacific Time/, on a live armenian program from Glendale(U.S.A.). Here is a chance for you to ask him questions about the armenian history. http://www.amga.tv/live.asp http://www.amga.tv/

ok, i am gone now. i'll be back monday for another round of "defending the truth" match

Nairi, any more questions befor i am gone.

Nairi, is calling someone a "propaganda minister" means love to you? Why can't he just prove me wrong instead of trying to paint a wrong picture of a person.