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Munzur, You think the Rothschild did have a role in organizing the AG? Since the armenians were getting weaker and weaker, what would have been the point of killing them? A fight to have control of the Baku oil could have been a good reason, but hardly they would have gone that far. And again, do you know anything about Rothschild's position in/about the AG?

Munzur, I think that religion was the meain reason why armenians were massacred. Before Palestine and/or Uganda, the Zionists had armenia in their list where they wanted to create a Jewish state. Armenia is believed to be where the Garden of Eaden* is. Also, Kabala teaches that the house of Torgom must be destroyed before the Messiah comes. hagarag, now i see how Torah was altered to fit the Bible. Buy one-Get one free...that's what the americans say. A lie is attached to the truth and sold for the price of one. It's true that the Zionists have started the bloody massacres-but why(?)-there you start to manipulate the truth. Just like the azeris, they mention about the ARMED conflict between the Artsax armenians and the azeris-then they attach all kind of lies(something like-inter. terrorists are in Artsax, karabagh armed forces sell people and drugs etc.) to already proven facts. If you, for some reason, have an inside story, then you must have been told to keep it a secret. Oterwise, why to repeat the same fabricated story when you aren't even willing to back up your claim with facts.

hagarag, we know that young turkish movement was started and led by the zionists. """why did they have to target THE ARMENIANS?""" [ November 18, 2002, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Eduard Markosyan ]

hagarag, i am interested with finding the truth. i care less what the excuses or stories are out there. 'who speaks today of the armenians' was said because too many were afraid to look to the face of the truth. remember, the history is to be learned from so the mistakes will not be repeated. tell me, is your answer yes or no? were the young turks zionists or not. maybe you know something that i don't. if we don't communicate, and if we don't learn from each other, then the chances are the history will be repeated.

hagarag, if i look for something, i know where to find it. vn is not where i am, and saying the same thing over and over will not change the facts. we all know what the truth is-and the truth is what you and some people from some interest groups are not willing to accept. unless you are willing to prove your point, i see no reason to continue this conversation-PERIOD-

hagarag, correct me if i am wrong-weren't the young turks salonika zionists?

gamavor, he was asked to prove his point which he not only failed to do-he even started to call me names(not that there is something wrong with being a typical armenian...i just don't appreciate the position he holds). i am sure he is old enough to understand his own mistakes. he could have been nice enough and apologize(like i did to T-bark), but he has chosen not to-and that is his problem.

Did anyone ever say be part of what we are discussing? In fact, you were told that the life goes on-and your accusations of me diverting and hidding are baseless. So what's eating you now?

You know what Sadam and Osama did with their millions. They too were supported by the U.S. . For every dollar Americans gave to Sadam, thousands of more will be returned. Junior wants a war, so he could get his hands on a free Iraqi oil. What more one can ask for!?! Millions of innocent people die while the big guys play a war.

thank you for speaking your mind. i have nothing more to add take care

h: You insult me Eduard you don't mean to play a victim, do you? h:Of course, I know who the Mamikonians were for a third time. Who were the Mamikonians? What does Korenatci or any other none armenians say about them? h: sitting at the side of many Armenain kings, many armenian kings? h:and Vartan saved Armenia's Christianity from the Persians. Vardan was a general and he did not save the Armenia's Christianity. Among with 60,000 other armenains, he fought against the Zoroastrians. In fact, when Vardan was planning to move to the world of Helens, his family forced him to stay and fight the Zoroastrians-did you know that?

h: I know Movses VERY well. so why Robert Bogosian and not Khorenatci? In fact, what do you know about Khorenatci and his works? h:I have gone beyond these traditional Armenian texts you don't mean to say the traditional texts are made of lies or they are useless, do you? h:to read the histories of other cultures vis-a-vis the Armenians and what have you found there? h:Did you know the the Bagratunis were Jews i know that the Bagratunis were part jews. I also know that some Byzantine royal families were Armenians? Does it in any way prove that Mamikonians were Chinese?

You mean the leaders to become more tolerant??? What exactly you mean to become more tolerant? You don't expect to preach your religion in their church, do you? Do you in fact know any other tolerant institution than the Armenian Apostolic Church? Did they ever blackmail, or forced anyone to do anything against their will? [ November 17, 2002, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Eduard Markosyan ]

Eminent Armenian historian Robert Bedrosian??? Who is Robert Bedrosian, where did he get the story from-and why Robert Bedrosian? Do you at least know who the Mamikonians were? Did you ever read Khorenatci?

T-Bark, your name cannot be located... I see you were mistaken for someone else -and for sure, you are asked for an apology. There were couple of others such as, Marqo, H-Rose...simply you were mistaken for H-Rose.