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Munzur, You think the Rothschild did have a role in organizing the AG? Since the armenians were getting weaker and weaker, what would have been the point of killing them? A fight to have control of the Baku oil could have been a good reason, but hardly they would have gone that far. And again, do you know anything about Rothschild's position in/about the AG?

Munzur, I think that religion was the meain reason why armenians were massacred. Before Palestine and/or Uganda, the Zionists had armenia in their list where they wanted to create a Jewish state. Armenia is believed to be where the Garden of Eaden* is. Also, Kabala teaches that the house of Torgom must be destroyed before the Messiah comes. hagarag, now i see how Torah was altered to fit the Bible. Buy one-Get one free...that's what the americans say. A lie is attached to the truth and sold for the price of one. It's true that the Zionists have started the bloody massacres-but why(?)-there you start to manipulate the truth. Just like the azeris, they mention about the ARMED conflict between the Artsax armenians and the azeris-then they attach all kind of lies(something like-inter. terrorists are in Artsax, karabagh armed forces sell people and drugs etc.) to already proven facts. If you, for some reason, have an inside story, then you must have been told to keep it a secret. Oterwise, why to repeat the same fabricated story when you aren't even willing to back up your claim with facts.

hagarag, we know that young turkish movement was started and led by the zionists. """why did they have to target THE ARMENIANS?""" [ November 18, 2002, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Eduard Markosyan ]

hagarag, i am interested with finding the truth. i care less what the excuses or stories are out there. 'who speaks today of the armenians' was said because too many were afraid to look to the face of the truth. remember, the history is to be learned from so the mistakes will not be repeated. tell me, is your answer yes or no? were the young turks zionists or not. maybe you know something that i don't. if we don't communicate, and if we don't learn from each other, then the chances are the history will be repeated.

hagarag, if i look for something, i know where to find it. vn is not where i am, and saying the same thing over and over will not change the facts. we all know what the truth is-and the truth is what you and some people from some interest groups are not willing to accept. unless you are willing to prove your point, i see no reason to continue this conversation-PERIOD-

hagarag, correct me if i am wrong-weren't the young turks salonika zionists?

gamavor, he was asked to prove his point which he not only failed to do-he even started to call me names(not that there is something wrong with being a typical armenian...i just don't appreciate the position he holds). i am sure he is old enough to understand his own mistakes. he could have been nice enough and apologize(like i did to T-bark), but he has chosen not to-and that is his problem.

Did anyone ever say be part of what we are discussing? In fact, you were told that the life goes on-and your accusations of me diverting and hidding are baseless. So what's eating you now?

You know what Sadam and Osama did with their millions. They too were supported by the U.S. . For every dollar Americans gave to Sadam, thousands of more will be returned. Junior wants a war, so he could get his hands on a free Iraqi oil. What more one can ask for!?! Millions of innocent people die while the big guys play a war.

thank you for speaking your mind. i have nothing more to add take care

h: You insult me Eduard you don't mean to play a victim, do you? h:Of course, I know who the Mamikonians were for a third time. Who were the Mamikonians? What does Korenatci or any other none armenians say about them? h: sitting at the side of many Armenain kings, many armenian kings? h:and Vartan saved Armenia's Christianity from the Persians. Vardan was a general and he did not save the Armenia's Christianity. Among with 60,000 other armenains, he fought against the Zoroastrians. In fact, when Vardan was planning to move to the world of Helens, his family forced him to stay and fight the Zoroastrians-did you know that?

h: I know Movses VERY well. so why Robert Bogosian and not Khorenatci? In fact, what do you know about Khorenatci and his works? h:I have gone beyond these traditional Armenian texts you don't mean to say the traditional texts are made of lies or they are useless, do you? h:to read the histories of other cultures vis-a-vis the Armenians and what have you found there? h:Did you know the the Bagratunis were Jews i know that the Bagratunis were part jews. I also know that some Byzantine royal families were Armenians? Does it in any way prove that Mamikonians were Chinese?

You mean the leaders to become more tolerant??? What exactly you mean to become more tolerant? You don't expect to preach your religion in their church, do you? Do you in fact know any other tolerant institution than the Armenian Apostolic Church? Did they ever blackmail, or forced anyone to do anything against their will? [ November 17, 2002, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Eduard Markosyan ]

Eminent Armenian historian Robert Bedrosian??? Who is Robert Bedrosian, where did he get the story from-and why Robert Bedrosian? Do you at least know who the Mamikonians were? Did you ever read Khorenatci?

T-Bark, your name cannot be located... I see you were mistaken for someone else -and for sure, you are asked for an apology. There were couple of others such as, Marqo, H-Rose...simply you were mistaken for H-Rose.

how about an energizer? that will keep you going

>I see it as money well spent well spent on what/and why? was that a long or a short term strategy? will the field commanders be bribed forewer, or a new strategy will come to replace the old one?

Esh@ ira kashvitc durs chi ga. Turqeri yeres@ kartces padoshitc a. Tqum es yeresen-asum a andzrev ekav. Sranq sovor en amen varkyan@ mek iretc dimak@ pokhel. Zarmatcats chem lini ete ays erkus@ nuyn nshats mardik linen.

Domino, what you see above is only a new topic for a discussion got to say that it has nothing to do with 'diversion or/and hidding'

More and more details appear about the US-led campaign against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, spending of American authorities on the operation, to be exact. As it turned out, Washington spent 70 million dollar to bribe Afghanistan field commanders, this is the explanation how the USA managed to crash Taliban so quickly. This information is published in the book "Bush At War" by American journalist Bob Woodward. At that, the sum of 70 million dollars doesn't seem so great if we consider the total spending of the US Administration on the war campaign in Afghanistan. According to some sources, as of now the spending exceeds 10 billion dollars already. And the sun is even increasing, as the US troops are still in Afghanistan.

Domino: look eduard, i have no time to search in the trash(ar forum) if you have the quotes bring them to me. i only wish i would have that free time to search the site. but it will be done, anyway. Domino:as far as my momory goes, I never have seen any of TB posts in Ar forum. neighter at the serbian cafe. i may be wrong, i am human, as soon as the search is done, you'll know about the results. i don't think my momory betrayes me up to the point that i can be mistaken...just give me a time until tomorrow night. Domino: its none of my business if he posted there or not, ...but your allegation against a member without any evidence is a diffamation and is under the belt, you only show your weakness and your innability to discuss by diverting and hidding that inability behind your slander if you continue, soon you'll have a good novel based on nothing. there was NEVER a discussion between i and t-bark. therefore, there wasn't even a need to divert and hidden any inability. Domino: this sort of attack i have recieved a lot in places like turkey.com where people were recoding everyone of my moves in every forums i frequent, and then bringing those things against me because they can not discuss concerning the presented topic and again. you were involved in discussing issues with them, and they have used your words against you. the pain you feel of being spied on has nothing to do with t-bark being told that he uses different strategy in different forums.

T-Bark: However, if you would be kind enough to post the links to these postings, I would have a chance to see what the potential impostor has been up to. here is the link: http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/178855 Domino, you too can search the site before i direct you to the exact postings.

ha Mos jan. asenq jisht es asum:) sran lurj @ndunel@ nuynn a inch vor mi ayl molorkayini het xosal@

t-bark, :)h p r baby. you almost broke my heart. mental-health related forums, no copyright to any of the monikers let's see, what is left there(?) net-worrior with [no] time to kill haha just like the stars in the sky, "there are billions of Tbarks in the universe" Domino:why not explaining your history in forums? how come do you know the serbian cafe or the armenian cafe hey:) welcome to the planet earth. we, the people of earth, sometimes do subject related search. do you at least know what that means? Domino: for long would have this kind of memory problem mixing TB posts with others. w w, do you know that for fact? can you prove it? Domino:just for the interest hey:) something tells me that you can get interested to know about some stuff too could that also be a forum? Domino:could you give your nickname in those other boards? i would, if you were at least polite enough to ask it in a nice way Domino:I mean, the reason why you are mixing TB with others? you are not TB, by any chance, are you? how can you know for fact that i am mixing TB with others? hey, i forgot:) you are a santa-claus -you know just about everything (no sarcasm, i hope:) ) Domino:is because his uses of the same nickname in the armenian cafe? did i ever say that he was in the armenian cafe? Domino:while you have hidded on different nicknames something like??? Domino:what are you hidding? in fact, what are YOU hidding? why are you afraid of using your real name? and why to ask such provocative question? are you up to something?

And that is why you hate the armenians, huh? In your early remarks, you said that you were harassed by your armenian wife, and that is why your brother was married to a jew. In fact, you even hate the armenian faith on God. You claimed to be a follower of some asian religion, [for which i could care less]...but the comments you make about the armenians and their faith, shows how much you hate everything that is associated with the name armenia/armenian. You even said lets close all the armenian churches and let the armenian renaissance began. You know very well that the church is the only armenian institution that has survivied the genocide and the attacks made by the zionist. You know very well that the church was the only institution that protected us from assimilation. You claim that the fight for the recognition of the genocide is the only thing that unites the armenains. Without having a shame, you lie about the well documented facts about Vardan Mamikonian. You say what the turks and their zionist masters say. You aim to rewrite the armenian history. Du minchev angam hayeren grel, kardal chgites. Ev ays ameni het miasin, pordzum es atelutyun sermanel jogovrdi mej handep irentc inqnutyun@. Amot qez.