MJ

quote:Originally posted by dragon: Aghtchik jan, Mi kich Apovian garta lav el gu sovores... This is a recipe for losing any understanding of Eastern Armenian, if it even exists. [ August 22, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

quote:Originally posted by Paul bunyan: MJ, how about telling us a joke? Paul Banyan

To stir things up...

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: Barev dzes tghamardzner yev aghtchikner, intchpes eq, Aghmug, if your question was for me... I have the French Assimil course, called "L'Armenien sans peine". I think it's a very good one, however 'sans peine' is not really true I thought I was doing OK until I started this topic today. To be honest, chem haskanum intch douq asum eq. chem haskanum douq intch eq asum.

Maybe because few things in this life have to be kept non-contaminated?

quote:Originally posted by gamavor: MJ, As long as “WE” see these things as “requirements” , and not as necessities , we won’t be able to move even a jot ahead. Gamavor, It wouldn't take any effort to sell that argument to me.

Yes, I think you are right, However, few of the requirements that you require are well satisfied in Armenia. While many of them require a strong push.

quote:Originally posted by gamavor: MJ, You know my opinion about that! I do...

I'd like to remind everyone that the Sport Base in Tsakhkadzor was the main base of the USSR Olympic team, which was built before the Mexico Olympiad due to the climatic similarities of Tsakhkadzor and the Mexico Olympiad locations. Under modest investments, that base may be upgraded, I think to attract major "pilgrimage" from those interested in winter recreation. However, I think it would be "peanuts" in the see to have any serious effect on the economy of Armenia. As to the countries mentioned by Gamavor, these countries all have good beaches, and I think that is what eventually attracts the tourists.

I get it. That's why I find it being tasteless.

Nice try, but too primitive. And tell your buddy his games are not appreciated here.

I think the getting of more support from Democrats than from Republicans in the area of the Genocide recognition itself attests to the fact that Armenians have traditionally been more involved in Democratic party than in Republican. Other than the underlying logic., this is a fact. I don't see how can one contest it. Even the Ramgavars have been strongly supportive of the Democratic Party rather than Republican.

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First, please allow me to use this opportunity to remind you that several times during recent years, the Armenian national Commission of UNESCO and other governmental bodies have tried to establish contact with relevant Turkish bodies and suggested plans for the joint study and preservation of the city of Ani. Because of the great historical and cultural importance of this monument for Armenia, Armenia was ready to provide such expeditions with the necessary technical expertise and financial support. Unfortunately, each and every time the Turkish side has responded with references to the difficulties in relation between our two countries. I am aware that even in Turkey there is no common view held by different institutions and the Government concerning Armenia’s cultural heritage on the territory of present-day Turkey. Last year, we received information that the Turkish committee of ICOMOS, while preparing the tentative list of for the WH1 (?) (This abbreviation in the text is non legible - MJ) presented, among other sites, the same city of Ani, capital of medieval Armenia, as well as the Monastery of Akhtamar, located on the island of Lake Van. Regretfully, the Turkish Ministry of Culture deleted these two sites from the tentative list. With regards to explosions in quarries within Armenian territory (which have already ceased) and which have reportedly damaged historical monuments, I must note that, first, for obvious reasons, Armenian specialists cannot witness the situation on the Turkish side of the border. Secondly, Armenian seismic experts explain that explosions of such magnitude cannot affect any construction at a distance of 600m. Finally, once again, I regret that our Turkish colleagues did not find it possible to contact the relevant bodies in Armenia directly, rather than to apply to international organizations. To this end, ;et me express my hope that the International Conference on Implementation of UNESCO Cultural Conventions and Other International Instruments, which will be held in Yerevan on September 17-18, 2001, and to which Turkish governmental representatives have been invited, might be a proper forum for the discussion of this particular matter. Vartan Oskanian Chairman of Armenian National Commission for UNESCO P.S. Oskanian is also the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Armenia. If I am not mistaken, this document has been submitted to UNESCO on July 31, but I will clarify the date further. I am also supposed to receive a copy of the Order of the President of Armenia to stop the explosions – MJ.

Actually this one makes it more invalid.

Somehow I still am not convinced.

P.B., do you have a message here?

OK. Now I get you. But the matter of the fact is that the acadmeia in the entire world is left leaning. It is neither an American nor an Armenian phenomenon. And it is understandable. Academia is a state sponsored and taxpayer financed enterprise, by in large. However, to call the academicians, moreover, the other lefts progressives is a huge exaggeration, in my view, as much as calling the rightists backwards and the leftists progressive is a huge exaggeration. As much as I understand the liberalism is not necessarily reflective of progressivism, and the conservatism is not reflective of backwardizm. As far as the success of the Armenians in American life goes, attributing it to the leftism is another disproportionate exaggeration, with all due respect.

As much as I know the Diaspora, and I definitely am not specialist in it, whether in America or elsewhere, for almost 80 years it has been under the dominance of ARF, Social-Democrat Hnchagians - both quite leftist organizations, and only very partially under the influence of Ramgavars, which are a centrist organization. As far as the Church goes, Echmiadzin was totally controlled by the Communists from Moscow, was formally lead by Catholicos Vasgen, who has been a staunt socialist and Marxist according to his own autobiography. As far as Anthilias goes, it has obviously been and remains under the total control of ARF. Now, which rightest forces have controlled the Armenian Diaspora in America remains a mystery for me. Additionally, of all the known forces in the Armenian political spectrum, up to 1991, all the organizations except Ramgavars have been not only not progressive, but also reactionary, though some have quite ironically called themselves “arachadimakanner.” With all this said, I definitely would be glad to see the Armenian intelligentsia not silenced anymore.

quote:Originally posted by MosJan: Also within the same framework the book of prominent mediaeval Armenian poet Grigor Narekatsi called the Book of Mournful Psalms will be published in English. Long overdue...

In my view, the Armenian history of the last 100 years is history of leftism. Never, before 1991 Armenian rightist have had any influence on the Armenian issues or the Armenian society. After 1991, the Armenian political spectrum has moved slightly right-of-the-center. And only because of that, the Armenian politics and mentality has started to make some sense. Additionally, I think that the Armenian leftism doesn’t have much to do with the progressivism, and it is a reflection of a very backward and traditional mentality in Armenian life. Moreover, it is very inaccurate to attribute whatever success we have had lately to the leftism.

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: Awwwww, come on.. what else do you think that note could have meant? I thought I had made a good joke. Relaaax, wh00t, and smile.

Nope. If it come to giveaways, please be more generous.

I hope you are kidding, wh00t, about being offended. A winkle would've been appropriate in your posting.

When are you throwing a party, Wh00t?