MJ

Shock waves are generated by the aircrafts only in supersonic regimes. Same is true about thunderstorms, etc. As I said above, I don't have a feel of the detonations [of 2000 to 120,000 tons shots], as how strong they are, and if they can generate shock waves which travel beyond 100-150m without being dissipated. I am highly suspicious of it. Tooth, feel free to appeal to your experts (you don't need our permission to do so, right?). [ August 30, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

Sorry, I didn’t intentionally mistype your User name. What does it mean, by the way? I agree that the issue of the impact of the detonations should’ve been scientifically studied before trying to use it for political gains. Understandably, the Armenian side has not had that opportunity. However, the insinuations that the shock waves or sonic waves may have caused damage to the structures do not look serious to me. However, I am ready to concede to any serious such evidence. I think that the Armenian side had to be extra careful with this issue, given the appearance of a possibility of damage to Ani. It was obvious that the issue was going to be demagoged. Nevertheless, discounting for the delays to stop the detonations, I see them behaving quite professionally, and can’t find an element of arrogance or racism in their replies. I think their arguments about the limitations of the impact of the detonations were valid ones. But if they were technically not accurate, that is a different issue to be addressed at a different level, I think.

Tooth, No problem. Sorry if I sounded rude. I didn’t mean to. The term “shock wave” or “traveling waves” is a well defined scientific term. There is a huge body of research associated with it in the disciplines from genetic studies to supersonic jets. I am sure that your friends deal with one of the forms of “shock waves.” However, in astrophysical applications I am sure they deal with some very specific types of such waves due to the absence of atmosphere (non-dissipative waves). Anyway, it’s been about 7 years I am out of that realm of work. Anyway, the bottom line regarding the Ani quarries is that the detonations are stopped for about two months, now.

SAS, I think you would be better off sending your resume to a good head-hunter.

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: B.t.w. MJ, thank you for teaching me how to edit, I have been editing like a maniac ever since Let me now what else can I teach you, Aghtchik.

SAS, The experience you described to Garo was what I meant as useful one in my previous recommendations of looking at the visualization software market. I am sure Garo would be a better adviser for you on that capacity. Yes Moscvai hamalsarani zhoghovrdin el lav gitem.

quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose: Looks like it is beddy-bye time for you, MJ... (((: Just another sleepless grumpy old guy here...

MosJan, You can do it as many as you want. My point is that the Church should not do it.

MosJan, But you understand, right, that "matagh" is the most anti-Christian ceremony that perhaps only the Armenian Church continues. There is nothing more against the nature of Christianity and the mistery of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ than "matagh." That ceremony alone makes the Armenian Church a pagan establishment. Such a shame...

Edward, Shock waves are things that I know something about. Shock waves may be generated only in the wake of a supersonic flow of the pressurized air, i.e. flow of air at speeds faster than the speed of the sound. I don't have a feeling that the underground explosions of such magnitude are capable of generating shock waves in the first place. Regardless of this observation, however, even if such waves are generated, due to the moderate altitudes of the questioned location, the viscosity of the air would trigger total dissipation of these waves accompanied with heat transfer after traveling some 100-150m, at best.

I am not in a poetic mood, tonight. Have no specific plans to travel South in the near future. But things may change any time. Somehow, lately, I have redescovered renewed interest towards North, though.

Gamavor, I am well aware of the story of Abraham. But the tradition originating from it has lost its meaning with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and under that light, in a post-Christian era, its maintenance is a pure abomination. As far as the "get-together" is concerned, I don't mind a "get-together" with "khorovats" lamb and red wine, with everything else that comes with the wine. But the issue here is the anti-Christian traditions of the Armenian/Orthodox Church. Btw, I am not aware of the Russian Orthodox Church maintaining such tradition, for example.

OK.

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: Period! I thought it was already over...

'Matagh' is a pagan tradition irrespective of the Armenian connection. It has nothing to do with Armenia specifically. As far as the 'political correctness' is concerned, the simplest and most assured way of 'political correctness' is to stick to all the disgraceful traditions that one can dig up from the depths of the barbarian past.

Not a competition.

Aghtchik, I don't know much about what Muslims do along these lines. However, clearly, the ceremony of 'matagh' is a pre-Christian one, of which the Armenian Church is full of. I am not some kind of animals' rights' activist, and that is not my motivation when rising against the ceremony. I don't have issues with it when pagans do it. It is consistent with their beliefs. However, when the alleged Christians do it, it is the biggest hypocrisy, disgrace and blasphemy against the Christian teaching. Basically, it implies that those who do 'matagh,' are in the denial of the mystery behind the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Historically (which continues all the way to our days), when sacrificing a lamb, part of it has been given to the priest who "blesses the salt of the sacrifice." Search for the reasons why the Armenian Church has accepted the 'matagh'in the list of its cerimonies in this domain. After all, it is very consistent with that institutions' hypocrisy. I don't know how does the word 'corrido' translate from Spanish (I presume), however, 'matagh' translates from Armenian as sacrifice (of something very dear). [ August 29, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: Unenal PMS te ch'unenal PMS, ays e harts@ The Eater's Soliloquy To eat, or not to eat, that is the quandary, Whether ‘tis nobler in the mind to suffer The hunger and temptation of food savoury and fine, Or to grab it and devour it all And by such a confrontation will get soul satisfied but body bloated. To try, to tast; No more; and by a taste we mean to pick up The knives and forks, and begin the serious business that may last six hours, until the last morsel of dessert and last drop of cappuccino disappear, ‘Tis a salute to culmination That we have hoped for in a long long time. To try, to taste; To taste perchance to get all twenty dishes; Aye, there's the problem of a thousand years, And to that joyful exercise, there comes a sobering end, When we receive the bill from the waiter, And the insolence of the weighing scale the next morning Plus the insulting arrogance of the waistline. ‘This the great enterprise of the great feasts Or to suffer the mental torture of the Unrequited love of the tongue? By: John Lam http://www.angelfire.com/oh/Pretzel/

Speaking of morality, I think our Armenian Apostolic-Pagan Church would shine under a better light if it first abandons its disgraceful and shameful anti-Christian practice of sacrificing lambs or roosters, etc, i.e. "matagh." [ August 29, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

There is a possibility of some deformation of these names, among other things. With some effort the name “Mechegil” may be interpreted as “Mechegiugh,” which would mean “The Middle of Village.” Such village names with slight alterations could be found in the Republic of Armenia – “Giughamech.” The “gev” in “Yengetghev” may also be a variation of “Giugh” – village. “Garmuch” sounds to me as “dialectization” of “gamurch,” which means bridge in Armenian. “Usot” can go for “With Shoulder.”

Normally they would - both the places and the names. You can safely say that a name is Armenian if it means something in Armenian. However, being adapted centuries ago, a lot of names are considered to be Armenian when they clearly are not. One can easily trace many of them all the way to the Bible. Or, for example, many would take the name Kirakos as an Armenian name, when clearly, it is an adaptation from Greek. There are many such instances. A lot of names that we consider to be Armenian, and they are quite popular even in our days, are of Persian origin.

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Edward could you go one step forward and tell us what is the potential implication of these blasts on the structures of Ani?

It is still possible. Armenian language has gone through significant evolution. It may mean something that we today have no knowledge of.

I think at least the first one and the last one sound Armenian.