MJ

quote:Originally posted by Paul bunyan: MJ, but you haven't said whether or not you are a mason. but of course, masons ARE a secretive bunch its well known ;-) is anyone interested in helping the Armenians resettle their ancient homelands? Kashatagh, Kashunik, Kovsakan, and Karvajar? You don't get it, do you? Btw, are you an Azeri activist looking for materials? (not that I am serous or care. Not serious just becasue it is very hard to take you serious.)

Primitive Banalian, Let me put it this way: I see nothing wrong with the Masons, I know at least few of them - Armenian and others, and I am happy to enjoy their friendship. Additionally, I know where the anti-Masons come from, and I prefer the Masons to the anti-Masons, if I have to make a choice. I also think that I have nothing to fess up to you, but feel that you finally have to fess something up to yourself so that to understand better your place in this life. Note that there is no need to fess it up to me -I have very little interest in it, since whether you fess up being a Mason or a Moron, hypothetically speaking, you come across pretty transparently. I would also add that whatever organizations I may or may not belong to, I would not be ashamed to disclose, since I wouldn't join them if I am not comfortable with making it public, and I couldn't care less what you or your alikes may think.

Ruben, I, for example, have a totally different perspective on him and the US foreign policy, etc. First, I think he is an extremely smart person, however he is very humble. He has Texan accent, and he is not a good orator. But is it bad or important? I listen to what he says very carefully. I pay no attention when he stumbles linguistically in his speach. I try to understand the essence of what he says. And as a rule, I can’t be more satisfied. All this media fuss about his IQ has started from an interview of a Boston Globe correspondent, who asked him the names of the presidents of five third world countries. He gave two correct answers out of five. Not being experienced in relations with the national media, he didn’t figure out on the spot that he should’ve not allowed “being tested.” And then, this incident was taken way out of proportions and built up further, using his linguistic stumbles. The media has been very unfair to him in the initial stage of his presidency. However, at least in the US, it has come to accept that it has underestimated him. Even the former president of the US has declared that he is being way underestimated. And the interesting thing is that Bush likes being underestimated. It is easier for him to push his agenda while being underestimated. So far, he has been successful in all issues, but one – his environmental image. It was obvious from the beginning that the environmental issues were going to be his biggest vulnerability, and that for his adversaries it was the easiest card to use against him. And he has not done well in dismissing this image so far. I hope he would pay more attention to this issue in the future. But this is a separate conversation. You have to take into consideration, that he was a very successful governor prior to his presidency. He didn’t aspire to become president unlike some others. He was pressured by his colleagues, the fellow governors of about 30 US States to go for it. And these governors new him the best, because they had worked with him side-by-side for years. As it pertains to the US foreign policy, in the previous 8 years the US basically didn’t have foreign policy. Something that the Europeans appreciated very much. The US foreign policy is finally getting on track after 8 years of neglect, which irritates the Europeans. He has one of the most competent foreign policy teams ever, and he has the support of most foreign policy experts in the US. He is not the person who makes up foreign policy. The US is not Armenia. The foreign policy here is an institutional issue. It is maid up by entire departments. There are a couple of foreign policy schools of thought in the US. He is representative of the most praised ever wing of the Kissingerian thought. They indeed made a blunder when being kicked out from the Human Rights committee. And Colin Powell, the State Secretary was in fault here. But he was tricked and stubbed in the back by the Europeans, especially the Swedes. This was a dirty trick played in an arena, when things have been conducted on a gentlemanly level in the past. However, you have to take into consideration, I think, that while the US was kicked out, Libya and Sudan were let in. Then, I think we can make some conclusions about the motives of the voters. I also want to mention that I strongly disagree that the US is “one of the strongest violators” of Human Rights, as you put it. What makes you to say that? Which Human Rights do you think the US violates so strongly. You can compare with /cgi-bin/forum/ultim...c&f=19&t=000031 , for example. I am not saying that the US has never violated the principles of Human Rights, but I think your statement is exaggerated. I also would appreciate if you could inform as about the treaty on chemical warfare, the battleground, and if you could articulate why the US refuses to sign it. I think we would all benefit is we can somewhat diligently analyze the issue, and learn its details. With all due respect, I never could take BBC or CNN serious, especially when it comes to world affairs. I personally see no threat to the world coming from the US, and I am puzzled at the superstitious allegations along these lines. I would be very interested in hearing a coherent and logical explanation of the character of these threats that somehow I cannot see on my own. How’s your Web project coming along. Did you get volunteers to help? Cheers, Martin

Actually its more like, only two countries advocate that the sanctions be kept - the US and Britain. OK. But, first, I am not supportive of the Economic sanctions against Iraq. Second, I don’t hear you bashing the UK. Third, I don’t see any country, including the Arab countries, advocating the lifting of the economic blockade against Iraq. If you know something more, I would appreciate if you can educate me. Oh, but it has especially during the Cold War, overthrowing democratically elected governments and installing their own in many cases tyrannical allies. And with the destruction of the USSR, matters are likely to get worse as the US seeks to further its economic and millitary dominance over the world. First, I would appreciate if you tell me which democratically elected governments have been overthrown by the US. However, I am aware of instances in the history of the US, as well as many other countries who have been in position to do anything of the kind, when they have supported one force against another in other countries. I would also appreciate if you could educate me on how does the US seek to further its military dominance in the world? As to the economic dominance of the world… Could you also elaborate how is the US trying to achieve it. And how is it possible? Also, do I sense a frustration in your tone due to the “destruction of USSR?” Yes, Im a member of Usama Bin-Ladins terrorist organization because I seek to 'damage' the image the US has created of itself at home. I don’t think you would be of much interest to Bi-Ladin. But I do think that you have a habit of not being diligent in your assertions. Yes, its either Im paranoid or you are ignorant. I know for sure that I am not ignorant. Therefore, I would like to ask you if you are paranoid. Please confirm. I also think that it is never “either this or that.” As a rule there are other alternatives, too.

Dear Rouben, I am also curious as what makes you to say that?

Too bad I still cannot read it. What font does it use? Garo, can you read it? Any idea why after switching to the User Defined Encoding, I still cannot process the text? Thanks for the effort, anyway, Hmaik.

Steve, I have a long reply to you. But have sort of lost my interest to do so, unless I have to.

quote:Originally posted by glasnost71: MJ, I hope you kidding... I know some christians "holding high morals", and they would resume calls on using the "guillotine" as a "barbarous moral" and "barbaric self-esteem". Yes. But... What kind of right do the non-Christians have to live, in the first place?

quote:Originally posted by Kazza: Why? What do you mean? All I was ever doing was AGREEING with you and talking about something else, agreeing with your veiw!!!!!!! So dont look so sad. [ August 01, 2001: Message edited by: Kazza ] You don't mind if I worry for you, do you? I couldn't understand what did I have to do with your comments above, and how/why was I interjected into the middle of it?

quote:Originally posted by glasnost71: What about executioners, should they stay alive, Paul Bunyan? Don't you sound like an old "song"? Nooo...He is just a good Chrstian holding high moral grounds...

quote:Originally posted by timucin: Good to see you too, Martin. I think it will be a positive experience. I have been reading the posts for a while as an unregistered guest - interesting ones. I especially liked the discussion Imasdun and you had on the subject of pan-Turkism while ago. Too bad I missed it. Anyways, nice forum. see you around t. Where is he? Haven't seen him around for quite some time.

I am coming after you, Steve. Hold on.

quote:Originally posted by Aghmug: I still don't understand how marriage is a mechanism that allows women to sleep around. That's the part I don't get. If anything, in more traditional societies, the man thinks he owns the woman after marriage and that she should stay home, cook and take care of the kids while he fools around. No? Why don't you get it, Mike. That's exactly when she is given the opportunity to sleep around.

I also think that the recognition has not much to do with the fact of the Genocide. Recognize it or not, it has happened. Nor I think that the continuation of the cash flow towards Turkey is threatened in any way. In fact, as it goes, recognizing the Genocide or not, their cash flow will only grow. As to the cultural and political difficulties that Turkey is experiencing in recognizing the Genocide, I stand ready to help them to overcome these difficulties. Wanna join?

The only thing I worry about is for you, Kazza.

quote:Originally posted by gamavor: I don't know what those who support Genocide recognition gain, but I know too well what those who deny it gain. Gamavor, I think it is possible that those who support Genocide recognition may gain nothing material from this interaction. However, I don't see what may the opposition gain that should be of concern to us? They would refuse to recognise the Genocide even more than they do now? Or do you mean that the effort itself may shed doubt on the fact of the Genocide? In that case, let me remind you someone you know well ( ): "Armenian Genocide is historical fact. Period. As a crime against humanity it was officially recognized ..." I see nothing but positive coming for us from this effort. At least no harm. After all, if there was no Genocide, there is nothing to "reconcile" about. Armenians haven't done anything to the Turks which requires reconciliation, right? It is the opposite. If anything, this effort exposes further in the eyes of the Turkish nation that there is at least some valifity to the Armenian claims. Then, it is better to pursue the Genocide recognition with an 55% awareness inside Turkey instead of 11%.

As a matter of fact, I haven't figured what is it that they are supposedly trying to pull out. Your bank account details so that to witdraw from there? In any case, I have had mixed reactions. Sometimes have just laughed, sometimes have felt reporting it to FBI. Eventually, have decided that it is not worth my time.

quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose: And, aw, I have a message for you, MJ... /cgi-bin/forum/ultim...ic&f=1&t=000359 ehehehehehe Yeah. I see. I'll try to slow down.

quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose: Wheeeeeeeew... First time I heard of such! :- Actually it used to be a very successful program throughout the USSR. In 10 years students there used to learn much more than in 12 years in the US. At least few years ago, those who would come from Armenia, after attending school there for several years, they would've been much ahead of the ordinary students in the US.

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For some 4-5 years now, I periodically get hit by such email offers. They always come from Nigeria. Feel free to contact them, if you choose to make money. MOMOH HASSAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION SENIOR STAFF QUATERS QRTS 1/3, MOMOH HASSAN ROAD ZARIA, KADUNA. ATTN: MJ ASSALAM ALAIKUM PERMISSION TO REMIT US$15 MILLION INTO YOUR COMPANY OR PRIVATE ACCOUNT IT IS MY PLEASURE TO WRITE AND INFORM YOU OF A TRANSACTION INVOLVING THE TRANSFER OF US$15,000,000.00 (FIFTEEN MILLION U.S DOLLARS) ONLY INTO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT FOR SAFEKEEPING PENDING MY ARRIVAL WITH MY COLLEAGUES FOR THE SHARING WITH YOU AS THE ACCOUNT OWNER INTO WHICH THE MONEY IS REMITTED. I AM AN ACCOUNTANT WITH THE NIGERIAN NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION (NNPC), LAGOS AND THIS MONEY ORIGINATED FROM OVER-INVOICED CONTRACT EXECUTED FOR THE CORPORATION SOME YEARS BACK. THIS CONTRACT HAS LONG BEEN COMPLETED BY A FOREIGN FIRM AND THE CONTRACTOR DULY PAID. I NOW SEEK IF YOU WOULD PERMIT THE SURPLUS TO BE REMITTED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I AM A TOP GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL AND I CANNOT COME OUT OPENLY TO CLAIM THIS AMOUNT. THIS IS WHY I AM LOOKING FOR A COMPETENT AND HONEST COMPANY OR INDIVIDUAL ABROAD WHOSE DOCUMENTS WOULD BE TENDERED BY ME HERE IN NIGERIA AS ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT EXECUTED THE PROJECT. HOWEVER, I WOULD WISH TO RECEIVE YOUR PERSONAL ASSURANCE THAT YOU WOULD NOT SIT ON THE MONEY WHEN IT GOES INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU KEEP CONFIDENTIAL THIS TRANSACTION, IN ORDER NOT TO TARNISH THE CONFIDENCE REPOSE IN THE OFFICIALS INVOLVED IN THIS TRANSACTION. TO EFFECT THIS TRANSFER, I THEREFORE REQUEST THE FOLLOWING: YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER, THE NAME OF YOUR BANK, ADDRESS, TELEX, TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHERE THE MONEY WOULD BE TRANSFERRED INTO AND ALSO YOUR PRIVATE FAX AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS FOR QUICK COMMUNICATION. I PERSONALLY WANT TO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE HONEST ENOUGH AND WOULD NOT SIT ON THE MONEY IF FINALLY GOT INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. IT IS ON THIS NOTE THAT I CONSIDER IT PROPER TO WRITE YOU ASKING FOR YOUR PERMISSION AND SUPPORT TO TRANSFER THIS AMOUNT INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. YOU SHOULD NOT FEAR ANY RISK BECAUSE I HAVE CONCLUDED ARRANGEMENT TO SAVE GUIDE YOU IN THE TRANSACTION. THIS BUSINESS IS 100% RISK FREE. HENCE IT REQUIRES HIGH LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE AND SECRECY. MEANWHILE THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN OF THE SHARING MODALITIES: A. 10% WILL BE USED TO SETTLE TRANSFER CHARGES AND LEGAL PROTOCOLS; B. 30% IS FOR USING YOUR ACCOUNT; C. 60% OF IT WILL BE FOR ME THE ORIGINATOR. BE INFORMED THAT ON COMPLETION OF THIS BUSINESS I WILL USE PART OF MY MONEY TO INVEST IN YOUR COUNTRY UNDER YOUR CARE. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE TRANSFER OPERATION WILL TAKE SEVEN TO TEN WORKING DAYS TO COMPLETED. N.B.: PLEASE CONTACT ME ON MY DIRECT PRIVATE TELEPHONE: 234-90-506224. FOR SECURITY AND CONFIDENTIAL REASONS PLEASE ALWAYS REQUEST FOR MY ACCREDITATION NUMBER TO WHICH I WILL RESPOND "12CN". PLEASE, IF IN THE EVENT OF YOUR REJECTION OF MY PROPOSAL, PLEASE NOTIFY ME IMMEDIATELY AS TO ENABLE ME SEEK FURTHER FOR KIND ASSISTANCE. THANK YOU. MAA SALAAM. YOURS, MOMOH HASSAN 234-90-506224.

I have few things to take care of. Will respond to you later tonight, hopefully.

quote:Originally posted by gamavor: Sorry my friends, I didn't know that timucin is a representative of the mutant race. [ July 30, 2001: Message edited by: gamavor ] Gamavor, With all due respect, I think that you are being very unreasonable, softly speaking, your stance is unjustifiable, unethical, and knowing you, I am just puzzled to find an explanation for your behavior on this subject.

The following material is stolen from http://www.armenianforums.com/site/article.php3?id=254 Armenian newspaper urges neutrality to stop escalation of ethnic conflict in Georgia Posted on - 30/07/01 15:55 By ArmenianForums.com Yerevan, (July 30, 2001) The Armenian newspaper Ayots Ashkar has said that Armenia's best policy towards reports of potential unrest in the Georgian region of Samtskhe-Javakheti, which has a predominantly ethnic Armenian population, is to maintain absolute neutrality to avoid any escalation of tension. It said that various factors could have contributed to this tension, including rivalry within the Georgian leadership, artificially-created economic difficulties and the location of the region on the route of a planned pipeline to Turkey, which is why Armenia's best policy is to stay out of this complex situation. The following is text of Armen Bagdasaryan report by Armenian newspaper Ayots Ashkar on 30 July entitled "What is going on in Samtskhe-Javakheti" Georgia has found itself in such a difficult foreign and domestic situation that any political cataclysm taking place in any of its regions could lead to the aggravation of Georgia's relations with one of its neighbours. On 26 July we received a worrying signal. A Georgian MP from Akhalkalaki region, Melik Sarkisyan, called for the dismissal of the governor of Samtskhe-Javakheti, Gigla [Grigol] Baramidze. Sarkisyan also warned that otherwise, local residents would start mass protest actions. All this again proves that Armenia is dealing with an extremely unstable neighbour in the shape of Georgia. One thing is clear: Armenia has nothing to do with what is going on there. We hope that the problem can be settled within that republic, without anyone giving this event an ethnic colouring. As for the event itself, it gives serious grounds for anxiety if we take into account some factors: 1. Social: Today in Samtse-Javakheti numerous social and economic problems are artificially not settled because of obstacles created by the leadership of Samtskhe-Javakheti who sit in Akhaltsikhe. As an example, we should cite the fact that Armenia is supplying electricity to this region of Georgia, which has a predominantly Armenian population, but unlike Ninotsminda, the Akhalkalaki region is artificially deprived of the opportunity to use it. 2. Inter-authority and inter-clan fight: Recently different mass media have reported that the Georgian MP from Akhalkalaki, Melik Sarkisyan, is Georgian Parliament Speaker Zurab Zhvania's man. Relations between Zhvania and Shevardnadze have been quite tense recently. We also know that in the propaganda against Zurab Zhvania, mention is always made of the likelihood that he is of Armenian origin, and there is even a suggestion that Sarkisyan is his relative. So it is not ruled out that the action against the Samtskhe-Javakheti governor, Gigla Baramidze, is an attempt to weaken Shevardnadze's position in the inter-authority and inter-clan fight. 3. Geopolitical: A new and very interesting situation has been observed recently in Samtskhe-Javakheti-Tbilisi relations. Whenever a regular stage of Russian-Georgian negotiations concerning the withdrawal of Russian military bases from Georgia comes along, some event takes place in Javahkh. Is this a coincidence, or is there some logic to this? There is one more condition, which is by no means minor. At the end of July Shevardnadze will leave for Baku to sign a package of papers on the construction of the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzrum gas export pipeline. It should be taken into account that today in Turkey they are trying to initiate criminal proceedings against the leaders of the BOTAS state company, which is importing gas from Russia. This is the company which has in fact neutralized any chance of implementing the 1998 agreement, sponsored by the USA, regarding gas supply via Turkmenistan-Iran-Turkey. So we have to conclude that in fact the draft for construction of the Baku-Tbilisi-Erzrum gas pipeline is the final attempt to get rid of the export of natural gas via the North-South strategic axis. The best option for ensuring the failure of this attempt is the destabilization of Samtskhe-Javakheti, which is on the Tbilisi-Erzrum route. It cannot be ruled out that recent events in this region are a result of the simultaneous influence of two or even three of these versions. That is why the best option for ensuring relations do not become even more tense and do not move to an inter-ethnic level is to maintain absolute neutrality towards the events going on today in Samtskhe-Javakheti.

Pigeti, Good to see you here. Hope you would have a positive experience.