MJ

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: I didn't know I had the power of messing up peoples minds. You sure have the power of messing the minds of "Erkragundi amenamets erekhaner." [ August 28, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

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Steve, These materials have been sent directly to me, though clearly, the first one has been submitted originally to UNESCO. Reading your reply I also have a general feeling of “the Belthecat saying what one would expect from him.” I am not a specialists in blasts. However, I can understand that 600m limitation of impact and the gorge may make all the difference in the world. Now, if the sonic waves may do harm, theoretically speaking it is a possibility, perhaps. At least I know that the nuclear explosions are accompanied by sonic waves. That this is a real issue with the blasts that have taken place at these quarries is beyond my expertise. I understand you have adequate expertise in sonic waves. Please share it with us. I see not a shred of arrogance or racism in their reply. To the contrary, I see plenty of such in your postings. The materials publicized by the Foreign Ministry of Armenia clearly states that the Armenian specialists have not had the chance or perhaps have been denied the opportunity to examine the impact of the blasts on the other side of the border. To every common sense person it is clear that this is the reason for them not having any evidence on the damages sustained by the structures of Ani as a result of the blasts. Now, if you have evidence that the structures have been damaged as a result of explosions, I think it is your turn to introduce them. On a professional note, having done some research on wave phenomenon (not sonic, however), I cannot see how the sonic waves can be reflected off of the gorge and travel right into the ruins. It doesn’t seem to me that the geometry of the landscape supports such argument. P.S. I have made these letters available on the days I have received them. [ August 28, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

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Sorry for not replying earlier: I was away for an official visit. S***** passed me your request. I would like to assure you that the explosions for mining purposes have stopped on June 30, 2001. You can use my response as an official one. Unfortunately, I cannot send you the copy of the President's decision, as it is part of a government meeting protocol. However, I can inform you that the Minister of Foreign Affairs Vartan Oskanian has sent an official letter to UNESCO on the matter on July 31, 2001. In his letter, the Minister notes that despite Armenian's several attempts during the recent years to establish contact with relevant Turkish authorities and suggest plans for joint study and preservation of the city of ANI, and Armenia's readiness to provide such expeditions with the necessary technical expertise and financial support, each and every time the Turkish side has actually rejected the cooperation by making references to the difficulties in rel ations between our two countries. Additionally, the city of Ani and the Monastery of Akhtamar, which were included in the tentative list of World Heritage List last year, were deleted from the list by the Turkish Ministry of Culture. However, with regrets to the explosions which have already ceased for two months, and would not be restarted, I should note, that the Armenian specialists could not have witnessed the reportedly damaged historical monuments and assess the extent of the impact, as, according to our seismic experts, the explosions of that magnitude could not have affected any construction at a distance of 600m, particularly, given the existance of a gorge in between the explosion site and the monuments. Once again, I would like to assure you that the explosions have stopped, the main reason for it being the impact that it could have had on the gorgeous monuments in ANI. Thank you for your interest in the matter. Sincerely, Dziunik ----------------------------------- Ms. Dziunik Aghajanian Spokesperson Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Agassi won easily in the first round of the US Open, today.

How sad... There is virtually no market for these jobs in the US outside academia, which is neither realistic aspiration (to try to get in) nor worthwhile. So, again, you would be better off as a programmer, however, there are jobs that may utilize your knowledge of analytic geometry and linear algebra, for example. You should look in the area of visualization software for the mechanical engineering industry, for example (CAD/CAM type). Unfortunately, I have been away from that side of industry for so many years that my knowledge on the state of the market is not current. Who have you worked with in the area of function theory or geometry in Armenia?

quote:Originally posted by SAS: _____________________________________________MJ, himnakan masnagitutyunns e matematika, bayc yes hima avel shat tsragravorogh( programmer) em, qan matematikos. SAS, You have better chances of finding a job in the US as a good programmer than as a good mathematician. Nevertheless, which area of math have you been specialized in?

Perhaps. He was a highly professional performer, devoted to the concept of the purity of the Armenian music.

He was pretty old.

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: Because I want him to be Armenian. OK. Granted.

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: In Holland since ages the most celebrated Saint. A few days ago I discovered that he must have been Armenian! http://www.op.org/san-nicola/basilica/Snicola.htm Why not Greek?

quote:Originally posted by khodja: Just read the history of the region in which you reside and you will understand VERY well what I am alluding to. I find the history of the region I reside in to be one of the most fascinating. But it doesn't seem to have much to do with the cannibalism you were trying to allude, as well as with the partisan politics so passionately you were trying to present in some upside-down manner.

quote:Originally posted by Aghtchik: The tulips need time to grow also Gamavor. By the time the tourists can enjoy the tulip fields the tulip planters are enjoying their holiday. Groetjes, Aghtchik. P.S. This reminds me of the topic about Tourism as a solution for Armenia. I am not going to suggest that Armenia should make tulip fields, but if Sinterklaas really is Hye it could be an idea to use that as an opportunity get some Dutch attention for Armenia. I am already imagining it... a documentary on Dutch national TV called "The cradle of Sinterklaas." There are vast tulip fields in Armenia, btw. For example in Tsakhgadzor.

quote:Originally posted by khodja: MJ, There are conservatives who genuinely believe in less government, less taxation. I can understand and do tolerate their views. There are other conservatives who look down upon and want to take advantage of others, who will not give these others a fair shake in life. I have no tolerance for this kind of thinking, especially when it emanates from people who claim that they are speaking for Jesus, Allah or Moses. How do they want to take adventage of others, or how would they "not give a fair shake to others?"

Khodja, Indeed we are short of tolerance towards each other. But are you tolerant to the Armenians who don't share your opinions or views on whatever issues? So far I don't get that impression. P.S. Btw, why Khodja?

Dragon, First, I would like to know the source of the material above. However, regardless if the source, I am ready to claim that the assertions regarding the newly established “Reconciliation Commission” certify only about the total political immaturity and the total lack of professionalism of the majority of the Armenian parliamentarians, as well as the forces of Diaspora opposing to it. To be less declarative and more to the point, here are my assertions: 1. The establishment of the commission subject to discussions is a very positive thing for the Armenian side, and it is a necessary step; 2. I have not expected that it would succeed at this time. However, I think it is a good and necessary first step, and it has not exhausted itself, yet; 3. The establishment of this commission has been initiated by the US State Department, I assume. It is well known, and it is obvious that the US State Department has always been the body (along with Pentagon) blocking the recognition and the condemnation of the Genocide in the US Congress. It has done so not out of the lack of knowledge that the Genocide has taken place, but out of a desire to serve the whatever US interests. Nothing has changed in the geopolitical arena to assume that the State Department would have a different attitude towards the potential US Congress Resolution on the Genocide next time. The only way to resist the obstacles that would be (expectedly) created by the State Department is to exhaust the possibilities to achieve progress in Turkish-Armenian relations through direct negotiations. This implies only a need for more accelerated and unified front of discussions with the Turkish side. However, it looks like at this time the Armenian side is blocking any progress; 4. The immature attitude of the Armenian side, which resembles an expectation of a beginning chess player, who after his first move of a pawn thinks the opponent should surrender, is going to promote another waist of resources by the Armenian side. Only an immature player (as well as thinker) may not recognize that the declaration of the Turkish member of the commission was a blunder from his side, and could be successfully used by the Armenian side; 5. The only mistake that the Reconciliation Commission has done is its title – they should have been more modest about it. However, I am not aware of any declarations attesting that they pretend to speak on behalf of anybody else but themselves; 6. All the religious organization are the least in the position to make declarations on behalf of the interests of the nation. They would shine under a better light if they don’t intervene in the political life of the nation, but rather prey for the nation, and provide it spiritual leadership; 7. All the noise surrounding this commission testifies that the opposing side has a very long way to go to gain elementary skills in the arena of political and diplomatic endeavors. It would be useful to leave the politics to the professionals and selling “basturma” to “nbaravatjars.” Finally, I would give all the support I can to the Reconciliation Commission and the potential new structures that would be brought together in case of its dissolution. Obviously, this material addresses your expectations of my recognition of my “erroneous attitude towards the commission.”

quote:Originally posted by dragon: Aren't you one of them??? Why? Am I too complex or mysterious for you?

Armenian National Committee of Virginia 3848 Columbia Pike, #302 Arlington, VA 22204 anc_virginia@hotmail.com PRESS RELEASE For Immediate Release: August 24, 2001 ANC-VA WELCOMES GOVERNOR GILMORE'S ARMENIAN ADVISORY COMMISSION -- Unprecedented State-Level Commission to Expand Economic and Cultural Ties between Armenia and the Commonwealth RICHMOND, VA - The Armenian National Committee of Virginia (ANC-VA) hailed Governor James Gilmore's recent announcement of the "Governor's Armenian Advisory Commission," an unprecedented, official state-level body which will advise him on programs to expand cooperation between the Commonwealth of Virginia and Armenia. "We commend Governor Gilmore for his foresight and commitment to forging closer ties between the Commonwealth and Armenia," said ANC of Virginia spokesperson Lorig Armenian. "Virginians of Armenian heritage - from Richmond, Norfolk, Roanoke, Northern Virginia, and throughout the state - look forward to helping the Governor's efforts to build a better future for the citizens of both Virginia and Armenia." The twenty-five member commission is tasked with advising the governor on ways to promote the development of economic, professional, cultural, governmental and educational links between Armenia and Virginia. In a statement issued last Friday, Gov. Gilmore noted, "The citizens of Armenian descent living in Virginia have enriched the Commonwealth through their leadership in business, academia, government, the arts, and many other areas. I look forward to their input as we work together to strengthen our ties to Armenia." Gov. Gilmore, who also serves as Chairman of the Republican National Committee, has been a long-time supporter of Armenian American issues. During his term as Governor, he has issued annual proclamations commemorating the Armenian Genocide. Previously, as Attorney General, he served as honorary chairman of the annual Armenian Martyrs' Day program held in the state capital. Last year, Gov. Gilmore supported community-wide efforts to pass legislation commemorating the Armenian Genocide. Most recently, he worked in support of a successful grassroots effort by the Richmond Armenian Martyrs Day Committee and the ANC-VA to include the Armenian Genocide in the Virginia Standard of Learning (SOL) for the Commonwealth's public schools. As a result of these efforts, the Virginia Board of Education included the Armenian Genocide in the SOL Teachers' Guide. "We are deeply honored that under the Republican administration of Governor Jim Gilmore we have been given the opportunity for developing recommendations to foster an environment where Virginians and Armenians can share in the vast riches of each culture," said Melanie Kerneklian, member of Richmond's Armenian Martyr's Day Committee and the local ANC. "Rarely in the annals of state history has there been a Governor so willing to reach out to Armenians. This example of his leadership will stand out as a model for other states to follow." --------------------------------------------------- Armenian Advisory Commission Announced at Armenian Breakfast for Lt. Gov. Candidate Jay Katzen --------------------------------------------------- Dr. Cheri Yecki, Deputy Secretary of Education of the Commonwealth of Virginia, formally announced the formation of the Commission at a Richmond Armenian community breakfast for Del. Jay Katzen, a long time supporter of Armenian American issues and a candidate for Lieutenant Governor. Yecki, who served as the Governor's liaison to the Armenian Martyrs Day Education Committee, played a key role in ensuring the inclusion of the Armenian Genocide in the SOL Teachers' Guide. She stressed the Governor's commitment to strengthening ties between Armenia and the Commonwealth, which is home to some 20,000 Americans of Armenian descent. In his remarks, Del. Katzen welcomed news of the Commission and pledged his support for its activities. A member of the House of Delegates, Katzen worked with then Delegate, now U.S. Representative, Eric Cantor (R-VA) in spearheading efforts to pass Armenian Genocide legislation last year in the Virginia General Assembly. Despite extensive opposition by the Turkish Government and the defense and tobacco industries, the ANC-VA and the Martyrs Day Committee educated the Virginia legislature about the need to condemn the ongoing Turkish denial of the Genocide and commemorate April 24th as a day of remembrance of that crime. Katzen, who wrote his Masters' thesis at Yale University on the Armenian Genocide, has been at the forefront of efforts to secure recognition of the Armenian Genocide and to include the teaching of this chapter in history to the Commonwealth's school children. ##### ======================================================== To get involved in working with state and local governments in your area, contact your local ANC chapter or regional ANCA office. In the Eastern United States ANCA Eastern Region 80 Bigelow Avenue Watertown, MA 02472 Tel: (617) 923-1918 Fax: (617) 926-5525 Email: ancaer@mediaone.net In the Western United States ANCA Western Region 104 North Belmont, Suite 200 Glendale, CA 91206 Tel: (818) 500-1918 Fax: (818) 246-7353 Email: ancawr@anca.org

Vsem,Vsem, Vsem, Radio, Moscva, Kreml, Vakhtjanvel e Il'ich@ SAS, what discipline of mathematics do you specialize in? In any case, mathematics dosen't offer "green card" at all.

I think that this observation leads us to an understanding that there is no rationale for making strong statements about Masonry. That basically, beyond some basic truths which are publicly available, everything is a rumor, and the elementary professionalism suggests to leave the subject alone. Additionally, I have observed that most of the people making strong statements about Masonry are one or another way associated with the countries of Russian/Soviet influence or the Catholic Church. The first one needed a secret organization to justify its oppressive policies inside the country, and would've invented it even if it had not existed. If I knew the Catholic Church better, I am sure I could've suggested something similar originating from them.

I understand. The revival of the State of Israel has been very forcefully pursued by the founders of Zionism. On its own, it is a very noble desire. However, the divisions between the Jews on the subject of how were they going to secure that process has been very significant - at least not any less than the divisions between the different Armenian factions. This subject is of great interest, I think. It needs to be studied professionally. There is much that we don't know about it. Prof. Yair Auron himself indicates in his latest book that the documents that he has studied provide only minor insights of the full picture, perhaps. Readers of his book would anticipate that there is much of interest in the archives of Western Zionism. However, we are also aware of some people of questionable integrity fabricating documents discrediting Jews. One example might be the story of Jewish Organizations (Intelligence Service ?) smuggling artifacts out of Armenian Museums, which was submitted to Groong, and which was disclosed due to the efforts of our Naira. Therefore, when being presented with materials on this subject, I would be very meticulous in studying the source of the materials and the evidence, and would not take anything for granted if I am not absolutely convinced about the integrity of the source.

Why do you say that Masonry emerged as a Jewish teaching or knowledge? I have thought that it has emerged more as a revival of Egyptian knowledge. Am I wrong? As much as I know, the ethnicity or religion doesn't have any place in Masonry, which is contrary to that of Jewish self-consciousness.

I don't know if they are fabrications or not. But I know that Jews maintain them being fabrications. And I would give them the benfit of doubt, unless there is a contrary evidence. So far, beyond the rumors, I haven't come across any solid evidence, and I definitely would be interested to see any evidence that is there about Jewish or Masonic concpiracy. However, I am aware of the founders of Zionism having a position on the Armenian-Tuskish issues, at least in late 19th century, and it doesn't make them shine under the best light given the evidence.

Gamavor, I assume you know that Jews maintain that the Protocols of Zion’s Wise Men are a fabrication by some Russian anti-Semites? Could you also inform us when and how have the Jews destroyed Armenia several times, and how do they relate to the Masonry?