MJ

I am calm, Thorny - more than ever.

I am not aware of problems with pork for Christians. As to the other animals, I think eating dogs or cats, and the like is prohibited. From the list of the birds I recall only swallow. Don't have the time to check it today.

quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose: So, MJ, what is there to be said about this pork-eating business? I have heard from many Muslims that the prohibition of eating pork in Islam has been imposed only due to health reasons. Additionally, the Old testament provides another list of animals/birds wish are "not clean" for consumption purposes.

Yes, I do. That's of Bellthecat writing on common sense.

The identity of Jesus is the subject of historically most uncompromising debates in Christianity. Clearly, while most of the Christians currently agree on it, this issue has been the source of major division. The Holly Trinity is basically the answer to this issue, as much as one may find clarity in it. Basically, the message of Holly Trinity is that The Father, The Son and The Holly Spirit/Ghost are the same identity, or just different persona/masksof the same identity. Btw, by some stupid historical mistake, Armenians have been labeled as monophizits - i.e. recognizing only one identity of Jesus. It couldn't be further from the truth. Jesus himself says, “I am the door of God,” meaning that one can enter into Gods Kingdom only through Jesus.

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An interesting, in my view, material: http://www.exxonmobil.com/news/publication...ge/c_intro.html

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Three Scientists Win Nobel Prize STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) - An American and two British scientists won the Nobel Prize in medicine on Monday for their discoveries of key regulators of cell development, which is helping research into cancer. Leland H. Hartwell, 61, of Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, R. Timothy Hunt, 58, of the Imperial Cancer Research Fund in Hertfordshire, England, and Paul M. Nurse, 52, of the Imperial Cancer Research Fund in London were cited for their research that sheds light on how cancer cells develop. These findings are about to be ``applied to tumor diagnostics ... and may in the long term also open new principles for cancer therapy,'' the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institute said in its citation. The winners will share the prize worth $943,000. The scientists were honored for discovering key chemicals that regulate the cell cycle, which is the process cells go through to divide. Cells must grow, duplicate their chromosomes - the tiny DNA segments that contain genes - and divide the chromosomes to be distributed precisely to the new cells that arise from the division. Defects in the control of this process can lead to chromosome defects seen in cancer cells. The winners were selected from nominations received from professors, past laureates and other specialists from around the world. The final choice for physiology or medicine was made in a morning vote Monday by the 50 professors at Stockholm's prestigious Karolinska Institute who make up the Nobel Assembly. Winners were then informed and the decision made public. The physics prize is to be announced Tuesday, the prizes in chemistry and economics on Wednesday, and the peace prize on Friday. Because the nomination period ended Feb. 1, this year's peace prize is very unlikely to reflect developments since the Sept. 11 terror attacks on the United States. In keeping with tradition, the date for the literature prize will be revealed only two days beforehand, although it is usually a Thursday in October. The awards are then handed out Dec. 10, the anniversary of Nobel's death in 1896. The laureates arrive to receive gold medals, diplomas and checks in the presence of the king of each country, followed by banquets laden with pageantry. The Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences was established separately in 1968 by the Swedish central bank but is grouped with the other awards. To mark the centennial this year, all living laureates have been invited to the ceremonies and related seminars, with some 150 expected in Stockholm and 30 in Oslo, including former South African President Nelson Mandela and former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. The medicine prize, which was first received by Emil Adolf von Behring of Germany for his discovery of a diphtheria vaccination, was to be given to ``the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine,'' according to the will. Last year's winners were Arvid Carlsson of Sweden and Americans Paul Greengard and Eric Kandel for research on how brain cells transmit signals to each other, thus increasing understanding on how the brain functions and how neurological and psychiatric disorders may be better treated. - On the Net: http://www.nobel.se

quote:Originally posted by Hmayk: Arags zinch Tsoutsaneh? Aragd ktsutsane vor arzhanabativ ev khelamid mard me darnalu hamar tagavin shat tjanaparh unis antsnelu, ev vstahutiun angam chi granar ellal vor verche tegh bidi hasnis...

quote:Originally posted by Hmayk: MJ, You know well what was that for. Not only for postings, but I won't tell here, it is something personal and i will not forgive you for that That's what I thought... That's why I said you have lost your ability to tell them apart... They all look the same to you.

quote:Originally posted by Hmayk: All postings are from the same person, why should I make them apart, if I understood well your comment Ah.. It was about postings...?

quote:Originally posted by Hmayk: uinfortunately Hmmm... Seems like you are already losing your abilitiy to tell them apart...

quote:Originally posted by Hmayk: Now its is your turn to feel shame, the way you treated me, remember? Are you sure it was me?

quote:Originally posted by Hmayk: It's late for you turk Go to bed and sleep well may be you need massage too Ask MJ for that, he is protecting you here and jumping on me without any reason Just shame on you... That's all I have to tell you.

If you are in search of betrayers, need not go too far - you can find them in your office. As to your identity – keep searching for it, maybe some day you would find it.

quote:Originally posted by Hmayk: hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! shad uzkatsvetsar? Tuk iravounk ounik amen pan unelou yev uselou, menk voch? Inchu? chlla mer vrayen train antsav, isg tuk dik-dik abrelou iravounk ounik ha? Polor hay aghtchikneru kloukhs havaker em yev baderazm haydararer em tser tem! Ayo! Polor hay dghaneroun tem! Vartabednern al mechu ullalov! Vertabedtunern al chmornalov! Wait for few hours, and go on on behalf of Saturday Night Live, please.

My pleasure, Movses. I also liked the material. I am not much knowledgeable in ASALA matters, but this material was consistent with my perception of that controversial organization. Basically, one can trace in this material the three basic contradictions of the phenomenon of ASALA, and its being of organizationally a derivative underling of the PLO, feeding from the same ideological spring as PLO and PKK, and lacking a coherent program of actions or targets. It is especially interesting to see it qualify as “enemy” the “Turkish Imperialism,” and their verbiage on ‘supporting those who reject the authority of the oppressing classes and willing to work to strengthen and expand coalitions within the international revolutionary system.’ Would’ve been great to have a copy of ASALA’s formal program.