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That's OK, Ali. I wouldn't be able to read it till weekend - I am out the door in few hours.

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quote:Originally posted by edward demian: MJ Yes, there is something which I wish to convey. Before the Massacres in Sumagit and baku, Azerbaijian had a sizable population of christians and jews. These people were Azerbaijanis. Natives of the land of Azerbaijian. It was the muslims that participated in the pogroms. Do you mean they committed pogroms against Christian Armenians and Jewish Jews?

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: Don't you love Serj Tankian's lyrics? NO.

The world Junior Championship contested in Peristori, Greece, Aug. 16 to 29, was won by the Hungarian grandmaster Peter Acs, 20, who scored 10 points in the 13-round Swiss-system tournament. Second place was taken jointly by the international master Merab Gagunashvili of Georgia and the grandmaster Levon Aronian of Armenia. Each titled 9.5 points in the competition, which was played by 89 boys and man 20 and under.

I just saw our Archbishop Anania Arabajian pray for the fallen in New York among other priests and mullahs, etc. He was miserable... Such a pity to be represented in such a miserable way... [ September 23, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

Armenpress POLITICAL 21 September SPEECH BY H.E. MR. ROBERT KOCHARIAN, PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA, ON THE OCCASION OF THE 10TH ANNIVERSARY OF INDEPENDENCE OF THE REPUBLIC OF ARMENIA YEREVAN, SEPTEMBER 21, ARMENPRESS: Dear Compatriots, Your Holiness, Honored Clergy, Dear Guests, I congratulate you on the anniversary of Armenia's independence. Ten years ago, through a popular referendum held on September 21, 1991, the people of Armenia opened a new page in their history. By selecting freedom, independence and democracy, the Armenian people embarked on the difficult but holy task of building the Armenian statehood. Is 10 years a long period of time for a country whose capital is nearly 2800 years old, for a country which is marking the 1700th anniversary of the official adoption of Christianity as a state religion, and whose President takes the oath on a 7th century manuscript Bible? It seems that it has only been 10 years, but then, it has been a whole 10 years. In our country, and in our region, the last decade was significant for the furious progression of activities. The last decade seemed to be the microcosm of our history, in which we could find the concentrated reflection of all the signposts of our history. Our generation saw war, famine, emigration, blockade, earthquake, bombed ruins, destroyed economy, and other things, but remained determined and unwavering in its choice. At critical times, it displayed admirable unity, offered heroes and displayed incredible examples of sacrifice, and, achieved historic victories. We returned to the international arena as a state, to take our worthy place among the family of nations. During the last decade we witnessed such formative processes, that today we can truly speak about having entered a new era. We are speaking of new geopolitical realities, a new order of values. The contemporary world is experiencing qualitatively new relations, which demands of us new levels of national and public consciousness, and new standards of responsibility. 1700 years ago, the Great Armenian Turn became a huge spiritual and cultural factor, which contributed to the creation of a Golden Age of letters and literature, architecture, philosophy, lasting monuments of historiography. The Armenian Church has had and continues to have a unique role in the life of our people. It is one of the oldest institutions in the world, which has functioned uninterrupted for 17 centuries. The Armenian Apostolic Church has always stood by its nation and its state, and in the absence of statehood, has in some ways, replaced the state. The reestablishment of statehood was our people's ultimate goal, and which for centuries put its deep imprint on the Armenian public, political mind and on almost all cultural forms of expression. We have paid an extremely high price for our independence. During the last two, three hundred years there has not been a generation of Armenians, which did not place the life, work, mind, and financial means of its best sons on the altar of sacrifice. The Armenian statehood is, first of all, the guarantee of Armenia's self-expression - its enterprising spirit and creative mind. We must determine our own fate. Our understanding of the freedom of speech, human rights, liberal economy and the rule of law correspond to the understanding of developed countries and internationally accepted standards. Our country's full accession to the Council of Europe is born of the interests of the people of Armenia. National and universal values harmoniously complement each other here. And the draft constitutional reforms, which are the result of extensive expert studies and political efforts, also arise from our contemporary demands. It is on these foundations that we are building our state structure. Perhaps the structure is not going up as quickly as we would like, but I assure you, the steps being taken are fundamental, and have long term and strategic significance. The economic difficulties and poverty, which Armenia faces today, may call into question one's faith in independence and statehood. Armenia, for decades, formed part of a planned Soviet economy, which today simply does not exist. It is natural that in the transition between the collapse of the former and the creation of a new economy, the people's living standards would experience a decline. There was going to be a decline in production, but I am convinced, not on the scale, which we saw. Subjectivism, incompetence, inexperience, and finally, economic romanticism - these were the reasons for the disproportionate decline in the economy. All this had to have an affect on the mood of our people. The strong spirit of a nation is forged not only as it battles with the enemy, but also as it enjoys the happiness of home and family, and the full joy of life of the growing generations. These factors are no less important in affirming faith and belief in independent statehood. We are seeking more effective solutions to urgent, fundamental economic problems. In the past, many things were being done for the first time. The time for inexperience and learning by trial and error is over. Today, determined and calculated approaches are necessary. It is obvious that Armenia's economy can develop only if it is open. We must encourage domestic and foreign investments if we wish to improve the people's standard of living. If we intend to multiply our national wealth, then by explicitly assessing our material and natural resources, we must secure an inflow of foreign capital, and create favorable conditions. The basis of our society's stability must be the private sector of our economy, and a formed middle class. In other words, aimed development of small and medium size businesses is essential. The accumulation and influence of private wealth will force responsibility on political forces, which in turn will lead to long-term public stability. This is the only right way towards neutralizing aggressive revolutionism. In order to resolve these issues, effective governing mechanisms are necessary, as is a public service sector. We will continue to work to simplify the processes through which citizens and the public sector interact. Gradually, the effort to secure various permits or registrations by individuals, enterprises or organizations is becoming simpler. We must confess that it is probably early to speak about successes in battling corruption. Corruption must be fought not by creating new oversight bodies, or by loud declarations, but by identifying and removing the causes of that problem, and by passing the necessary laws and making the necessary legislative changes, and by implementing them earnestly. The essential need to increase the effectiveness of government agencies continues to be at the center of our attention. It is important that we have a good, organized, systematized, tightly functioning and small government apparatus. The diligence and discipline with which laws are enforced is an issue, which rightfully concerns our public. It is essential for us to create an environment, conditions and a tradition where not adhering to the law not only means punishment by law, but also something which is met by disdain and intolerance by all of society. I believe that the careful realization of all of these objectives will lead to the inculcation of respect by our public towards the government and civil servants. The problem of employment, which is the most troubling for our people, is one that we can solve. Further, I am convinced that many of our citizens who have left the country will return to find comparable jobs and living conditions here. We have succeeded in bringing certain large enterprises back on track - enterprises which just a few years ago were considered hopeless. These positive steps will continue and soon, the movement forward will be noticeable to many families. We will have a changed economy that will register renewed growth. The rise of Armenian independence was born on the Artsakh movement. These two are closely interwoven in the mentality of our people. The Armenian army was born in the battlefield, where thousands of Armenians sacrificed their lives. Each of them, and their collective heroism will be remembered forever. The army was formed and today it has the highest military capacity. This is one of the main prerequisites for peace and every one of us should realize its importance. We have and will always be advocates of the principles of the peaceful solution of the Artsakh conflict. As to the means for the solution, I shall state definitely -- the effective independence of the Republic of Nagorno Karabagh has never been and should never be a bargaining chip. We view regional cooperation as a prerequisite for peace and stability in our complex region. We are prepared to develop relations with all the countries in the region. We are ready for serious cooperation, which would include all fields of bilateral relations with our neighbors. However, our relations with the traditional partners, who have been tested through years, are the basis for our regional policy. In such relations Russia has a special place. While stressing the significance of close cooperation with European and other international structures, we see Armenia's future in its ability to keep pace with the modern world. The world is changing rapidly. The technological revolution has made the world stronger, more inter-linked, but also more vulnerable. Humanity is facing a new evil -- one called 'international terrorism.' The events of September 11 in the US shocked the world by the magnitude of their horror. We mourn together with the US, we believe that the evil must be punished and we are prepared to assist with our modest capabilities. Terrorism is becoming an ideology with the ugliest of manifestations. Armenia itself has felt its consequences. We are confident that the global community has to unite its efforts in fighting this evil. Dear compatriots, The Republic of Armenia is the motherland for all Armenians. The existence of various Armenian structures dispersed around the world makes it necessary for us to become organized as a nation. The concerted efforts of Armenia and Diaspora have already shown tangible results in the implementation of Armenia's foreign policy agenda. The potential of such coordination has just surfaced. I am confident that we will reach new horizons in tandem with improved and increased levels of organization. The present level of recognition of the Armenian Genocide would have seemed unbelievable ten years ago. Ten years from now, is it possible that we will have achieved that which seems unbelievable today? I refer to all the challenges we are facing today. Armenia's and Diaspora's cultural, educational, sports, health-related and other relations have never been so active. As Diaspora continues its best benevolent traditions, it is also closely cooperating with the Armenian authorities to attract new investments to Armenia. Our independence was declared when one third of Armenia was lying in ruins. The grave consequences of the earthquake, the pain of the loss of thousands of human lives, combined with an uncertain future had created an extremely grim environment in the earthquake area. Regretfully, for several years, the issue was ignored. Today the guidelines for the rehabilitation of the earthquake regions have been reviewed. We have exerted a great effort to find additional funding. Strict monitoring and oversight measures have been taken in the utilization of these funds. We are grateful to the USAID, the Lincy Foundation, the Armenia Fund, and numerous individuals and organizations for their valuable collaboration and their assistance in the rehabilitation efforts. We have not only managed to overcome the depression of the population in the affected regions, but have also achieved a breakthrough in the reconstruction process. And today there is no doubt that we will soon set aside the phrase "Disaster Zone." Dear compatriots, I am confident that as a result of comprehensive reforms and our joint concerted efforts, the Republic of Armenia will soon become the best-organized, democratic state with a modern economy and this is the most efficient way of fulfilling our national goals. Once again, I congratulate you on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of independence of the Republic of Armenia and 1700 anniversary of the adoption of Christianity. Our celebration is a great one, to fully comprehend which we have to only recall when was the last time a state was maintained on the Armenian soil for 10 consecutive years. We are celebrating today with an solid confidence in the eternal freedom and independence of Armenia. Long live the Republic of Armenia. [ September 23, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

Armenian Church History and Doctrine by Fr. Shenork Souin. The Christological Controversies/Oriental and Eastern Orthodox Churches The Armenian Apostolic Church is an ancient Church of apostolic origin and thus comprises a fibre of the fabric that makes up the one holy apostolic and catholic church. It did in its history however reject the Fourth Ecumenical Council of AD 451 which is known as the Council of Chalcedon (modern Kadikoy in Turkey near Constantinople). This council was summoned by the bishops not to define Christology, but to fine tune it and to examine the extreme "monophysite" heresy of the Alexandrian Eutyches who took the Christology of St. Cyril to an extreme seeing in Christ a humanity which was lost, swallowed up in a see of divinity. The Armenian Church along with the Syrian, Ethiopian, Coptic (See of Alexandria) and the Indian-Malabar Church or Church of the Apostle St. Thomas, comprise the 5 churches that rejected not only Eutyches, but also the definitions and acts of Chalcedon due primarily to the Tome of Leo, which "separated' the pactivities of Christ according to human or divine, thus tending strongly toward the dangers and errors of Nestorius. These 5 churches maintain, until today, the linguistic heritage of the Third Ecumenical Council, known as the Council of Ephesus, (even today, the ancient town of Ephesus, one of the 7 churches of the Book of Revelation, known as Efes (Turkish) remains a sacred site of pilgrimmage, as the home of the Virgin Mother of God who lived with John the Apostle, according to the command of the Lord who in John 19:26 , "When he saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved (John) standing by, said to his mother,"Woman, behold your son," and there took her Dormition from whence her body was Assumed into heaven, celebrated by the Armenian Church on the Third Sunday of August, the Feast of the Assumption of the Most Holy Asdvadsadzin).which condemned the arch-heretic Nestorius who denied that St. Mary was Theotokos, or Mother of God, saying rather that she was only Christotokos or Mother of Christ, since in his thought she gave birth not to God, but only to the human nature of Jesus. He denied that in Christ dwelt bodily all the fullness of God. He spoke of two natures, one human and one divine, joined not personally but by "good pleasure" so as seeing in the Incarnation both the Son of God and the Son of Mary, a horrible confusion of the divine person hood of the Incarnate Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity. The council declared that after the conception of Christ in the womb of Mary, by the "Gospel" spoken to her at the Annunciation of the Arch-angel Gabriel and the "overshadowing" of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever, is bothe perfect God and perfect Man in one Divine Person, the Son of God, equal to the Father in His divinity which has no beginning, and equal to us in everything except for sin according to His humanity, which after the Incarnation has NO end. The Armenians, who in 451AD were fighting a battle in defence of Christianity against the Persians who outnumbered them and desired to bring the Armenians to political submission and also strip them of the Christian faith and with it the HOPE of eternal life, were not present at the council and thus never bowed to the political pressure of the West who abandoned them while they were being persecuted for the very faith about which the West speculated in a war of words. To them, the controversy was settled by confessing in concord with the Ephesian formula that there is in Jesus Christ "One Nature of the Incarnate Word." This ideological, political, linguistic and theological difference has kept the 5 Oriental Orthodox Churches separate from the rest of Christendom for many centuries since, although the Armenians have had a history of emminent ecuminists, such as St. Nerses the Graceful, St. Nerses of lambron, who while being doctors and confessors of Armenian Orthodoxy, struggled for the unity of the church with a sense of humility and great love for the sister churches of the Chalcedonian Council, even acknowledging the validity and the orthodoxy of the Greek Orthodox in their day. The Eastern Orthodox condemn the errors of Nestorius and interpret the acts of Chalcedon from the perspective of St. Cyril's Christology (St. Cyril was the holy father that spearheaded the deposition and defeat of Nestorius and his vile heresy) seeing a personal union of two natures, a sharing of natural attributes in the person of Christ and that in the Incarnation, St. Mary is and always will be the All-Holy Mother of God Theotokos (the Armenian word for Theotokos is Asdvadsadzin). The Oriental Orthodox on the other hand reject the Eutychian heresy that sees the in Christ's Incarnation, the humanity of Jesus swallowed up like a "drop of vineger in a sea" of divinity. In the One Nature, both completely and fully human and divine, the properties of both continue to operate in the person of Jesus Christ. Both errors are avoided and rejected, serving as a balance for Orthodox Christology. The 5 so-called Oriental Orthodox Churches other wise known as the Non-Chalcedonian or Lesser Orthodox Churches, have always acknowledged the "orthodoxy" of not only the 3 preceding Councils, but the 3 Councils that succeded Chalcedon. Happily, in recent years, there has been a rapprochment among the 2 families of Orthodox Churches over the divisions caused by the Fourth Council. There have been numerable dialogues and symposia that have included theologians and fathers of the various orthodox churches that have brought the two churches so close as to declare that in essence, the two families share the one Orthodox faith, with very little but maybe the administrative and jurisdictional issues that still separate us. Today we even see many Non-Chalcedonian Oriental Orthodox gentlemen studying in Orthodox Seminaries, ie. the joint curriculum of St. Nersess Armenian Seminary and St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary. Also, church school curriculums can be shared amongst the two branches of Orthodox Churches without fear of "contamination". Today, it is believed that in principle, the Orientals acknowledge the orthodoxy of the Eastern Orthodox, while the Eastern Orthodox acknowledge the orthodoxy of the Oriental Orthodox, paving the way for a joyful return to a reunified Church. We ought all pray that the anathemas of the past one against another be dropped so that an age of one undivided holy and apostolic Orthodox Church can become once again to a world divided, the eschatalogical sign of the witness of Christ's life and resurrection to the world. Rev. Fr. Shenork Souin For a greater understanding and clarification regarding the relationship of the Armenian Church with the Church of Rome, in view of the dialogue between the Pope and the Catholicos, see my Press Release. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Thebes/108...hristology.html

quote:Originally posted by wh00t: MJ, Azeris are Muslims, aren't they? Are they? What a revelation... - - - - - - - - - - - 45 From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. 46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" 47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, "He's calling Elijah." Matthew 27 [ September 23, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

Thank you for your self-determination, Hadji.

quote:Originally posted by edward demian: This is a perfect example of the cultural differences between the Armenians and the Azery Muslims. Respect for envoys is an act that even the most primitive people understand. It is pretty much the dividing line between animals and humans. Edward, When you add the epithet Muslims to the characterization of Azeris, is there a message that you are trying to convey?

Compensatory Narcissistic Personality Disorder PTypes personality types proposes Compensatory Narcissistic Personality Disorder as a pervasive pattern of unstable, "overtly narcissistic behaviors [that] derive from an underlying sense of insecurity and weakness rather than from genuine feelings of self-confidence and high self-esteem" (Millon), beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by ten (or more) of the following: · seeks to create an illusion of superiority and to build up an image of high self-worth (Millon); · has disturbances in the capacity for empathy (Forman); · strives for recognition and prestige to compensate for the lack of a feeling of self-worth; · may acquire a deprecatory attitude in which the achievements of others are ridiculed and degraded (Millon); · has persistent aspirations for glory and status (Millon); · has a tendency to exaggerate and boast (Millon); · is sensitive to how others react to him or her, watches and listens carefully for critical judgment, and feels slighted by disapproval (Millon); · is prone to feel shamed and humiliated and especially hyper-anxious and vulnerable to the judgments of others (Millon); · covers up a sense of inadequacy and deficiency with pseudo-arrogance and pseudo-grandiosity (Millon); · has a tendency to periodic hypochondria (Forman); · alternates between feelings of emptiness and deadness and states of excitement and excess energy (Forman); · entertains fantasies of greatness, constantly striving for perfection, genius, or stardom (Forman); · has a history of searching for an idealized partner and has an intense need for affirmation and confirmation in relationships (Forman); · frequently entertains a wishful, exaggerated, and unrealistic concept of himself or herself which he or she can't possibly measure up to (Reich); · produces (too quickly) work not up to the level of his or her abilities because of an overwhelmingly strong need for the immediate gratification of success (Reich); · is touchy, quick to take offense at the slightest provocation, continually anticipating attack and danger, reacting with anger and fantasies of revenge when he or she feels frustrated in his or her need for constant admiration (Reich); · is self-conscious, due to a dependence on approval from others (Reich); · suffers regularly from repetitive oscillations of self-esteem (Reich); · seeks to undo feelings of inadequacy by forcing everyones's attention and admiration upon himself or herself (Reich); · may react with self-contempt and depression to the lack of fulfillment of his or her grandiose expectations (Riso). Dimensions Here is a hypothetical profile, in terms of the five-factor model of personality, for Compensatory Narcissistic Personality Disorder (speculatively constructed from McCrae, 1994, pg. 306): High Neuroticism Chronic negative affects, including anxiety, fearfulness, tension, irritability, anger, dejection, hopelessness, guilt, shame; difficulty in inhibiting impulses: for example, to eat, drink, or spend money; irrational beliefs: for example, unrealistic expectations, perfectionistic demands on self, unwarranted pessimism; unfounded somatic concerns; helplessness and dependence on others for emotional support and decision making. High Extraversion Excessive talking, leading to inappropriate self-disclosure and social friction; inability to spend time alone; attention seeking and overly dramatic expression of emotions; reckless excitement seeking; inappropriate attempts to dominate and control others. High Openness Preoccupation with fantasy and daydreaming; lack of practicality; eccentric thinking (e.g., belief in ghosts, reincarnation, UFOs); diffuse identity and changing goals: for example, joining religious cult; susceptibility to nightmares and states of altered consciousness; social rebelliousness and nonconformity that can interfere with social or vocational advancement. Low Agreeableness Cynicism and paranoid thinking; inability to trust even friends or family; quarrelsomeness; too ready to pick fights; exploitive and manipulative; lying; rude and inconsiderate manner alienates friends, limits social support; lack of respect for social conventions can lead to troubles with the law; inflated and grandiose sense of self; arrogance. Low Conscientiousness Underachievement: not fulfilling intellectual or artistic potential; poor academic performance relative to ability; disregard of rules and responsibilities can lead to trouble with the law; unable to discipline self (e.g., stick to diet, exercise plan) even when required for medical reasons; personal and occupational aimlessness. Sources: Forman, Max, (1976). Narcissistic disorders and the oedipal fixations. In Feldstein, J. J., (Ed.), The Annual of Psychoanalysis. Vol. IV. pp. 65-92, New York: International Universities. McCrae, Robert R. (1994). "A Reformulation of Axis II: Personality and Personality-Related Problems." Costa, Paul T., Jr., Widiger, Thomas A., editors. Personality Disorders and the Five-Factor Model of Personality. Washington, D.C.: The American Psychological Association. Millon, Theodore, and Roger D. Davis. Disorders of Personality: DSM-IV and Beyond. 2nd ed. New York: Wiley, 1996. pp. 411-12. Reich, Annie, (1986). Pathological forms of self-esteem regulation. In Morrison, A. P., (Ed.), Essential Papers on Narcissism. pp. 44-60. Reprint from (1960) Psychoanalytic Study of the Child. Vol. 15, pp. 205-32. Riso, Don Richard. Personality Types: Using the Enneagram for Self-discovery. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1987. pp. 102-3. The Sociobiology of Compensatory Narcissistic Personality Disorder Sociobiology promises to provide more parsimonious explanations for various clinical phenomena, including personality disorders, than other models of human behavior (Cf. Antisocial personality). Compensatory narcissism is a complex adaptive system designed to compel constant striving for higher social rank based on achievements of the intellect and imagination. It is adaptive because higher social rank brings greater access to resources and mating opportunities, greater survival and reproductive success. Compensatory Narcissistic and Narcissistic Personality Disorders differentiated In a chapter of Disorders of Narcissism: Diagnostic, Clinical, and Empirical Implications, "DSM Narcissistic Personality Disorder: historical reflections and future directions," Theodore Millon differentiates Compensatory Narcissistic from Narcissistic Personality Disorder: The compensatory narcissistic person deviates in a fundamental way from other narcissistic subtypes, as well as from the proto-typical narcissistic person. Overtly narcissistic behaviors originate from an underlying sense of insecurity and weakness rather than from genuine feelings of self-confidence and high self-esteem. Beneath surface pseudoconfidence, this narcissistic person is driven by forces similar to those experienced by people who overtly display characteristics more akin to the negativistic and avoidant personalities. For more information visit http://www.geocities.com/ptypes/compensato...tory-narpd.html . [ September 22, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]

It is unfortunate that you have qualified my resentment to your way of entry as assault. As much as I could see, you where the person assaulting this forum, and rather than doing something positive, you are the person who has built his/her premise on a negative – a violation of a fundamental American rule, which is “be positive.” I don’t think it was hard to identify the thread at /cgi-bin/forum/ultim...ic&f=9&t=000728 , which has been created immediately after the terrorist actions have become public. Additionally, there were other real time discussions taking place in other threads of the forum. For the future, I would advise you to check the “Today's Active Topics” hyperlink of the forum, as well as to use its search engine if you would like to find something relatively easily. As it pertains to my “defensiveness as a moderator,” I find it worthy to mention that first, it would be hard for you to push me into a defensive stance (only a while ago you qualified my stance as “thinly-veiled assaults,” and second, as much as it may be of interest to you, I have denounced my moderatorship a while ago. I think I would stop here.

First, if you would’ve looked carefully around, you would’ve found an entire thread devoted to the events. Second, why didn’t you take the liberty and exercise your membership privilege of expressing the sympathy rather than blame the rest of the members for not doing it? Third by approving your membership, this forum has already granted you access to the already open communication lines and provided you with the privilege of speaking freely. Finally, nobody can discredit you, unless you do it yourself.

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