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Gee ya think? Nice circle you got there But I love how you desparately try to avoid direct questions: Well, do you believe that Jesus died in the cross and was resurected? "Allah raising Jesus up" doesn't answer that now does it? But don't bother. It is irrelevant now because I know what you will say. You just can't admit that you don't believe in the fundamental truths of Christianity. I know the Qur'an says Isa was a nice guy. But that IS a slap in the face of Christians

Sassun, as usual you have posted a lot of fluff but from what I gather: 1. You do not believe in the crusifiction, death, and resurection as you completely avoided answering it again. 2. You do not believe in the holy trinity and the passage you quoted from Qur'an supports it. So now I ask you again, based on this, how can you POSSIBLY claim you think Christianity is a legitimate religion? Such two faced statements are what are causing people to push you away. You cannot have it both ways. You can't say "I think Christianity is legitimate" "Isa said I cannot say to people to take me and my mother as Gods besides Allah" "Jesus didn't die on the cross and didn't get resurrected" "I think people have a right to believe what they want" "I think Islam is the True Religion" [this implies everyone else is an idiot for not believing it]So far, you have said a bunch of contradictory, flowery yet nonsensical, and just basically a hosh posh of garbage statements. I hope you realize that it is you who is pushing all your Christian Armenian friends away by the mere fact that you have switched to Islam and slapped them in the face by proclaiming that their faith is somehow not "true". Until you are willing to admit this, you will create 10s or 100s of more pages going in circles. It is not "Armenians" who push you way but Christians. It just sucks for you that the majority of Armenians are Christians so you either have to learn to live with this fact, or accept that by claiming Islam is True, you're going to get your ass handed back to you by those who don't share in that "belief" I am not religious. I couldn't care less if Christian Armenians or Muslim Armenians or Jewhova Witness Armenians "push" me away. At least I can have pride in not being two-faced. It is YOU who is the one pushing Armenians away ... not the other way around. By the way, I was one of the VERY few here that said you are still an Armenian. But after having talked to you some more, I can start to see that statement might have been a bit premature since you don't want to be Armenian. You want Armenian to be you.

I'm going to take a guess here and say probably answer more of your wife's questions and give your son a lot more money ... not to mention get less sleep That's amazing about the dog.

Sassun, you did not answer my direct questions. Why?

Wait wait wait hold on a second hoooooooold your horses. Do you mean to tell me that you recognize that Jesus was crusified, died on the cross, was resurrected, and then ascended to heaven? Do you mean to tell me that you recognize the legitimacy of the holy trinity (foundation of Christianity)? WOW I must say you are one enlightened muslim Come on brother. I'm not that stupid to fall for your crap mister single handedly taking on a whole bunch of people in one thread. OF COURSE you must think Christianity is bull shit if you believe in Islam. Why are you trying to cover that up?

You keep saying that but when the time comes for Jihad, you will have to kill Armenians. You are trying to make everything sound all wonderfull and peachy while in reality, being muslim and being Armenian (last I checked the official religion of the country was Christianity) go very much against each other. To you, the Christian Armenians are the infidels yet you want them to accept you as their own. Sassun, it is as simple as this: DO YOU RECOGNIZE CHRISTIANITY as a LEGITIMATE religion? If you do, then I still think you can be Armenian even though you yourself claim to be muslim. I just know you cannot recognize Christianity if you are a muslim. You must denounce it. And there in lies your problem. IF you were an accepting person youself, PERHAPS, PERHAPS you yourself might have been something worthy of acceptance by the Armenian community at large.

By the way, LMAO at his "doctorate" ... this is straight from Wiki (I'm NOT making it up): "In September 2005, Duke received a Ph.D. title in History from the Ukrainian Interregional Academy of Personnel Management (MAUP). His doctoral thesis was titled "Zionism as a Form of Ethnic Supremacism".[33] Duke had previously received an honorary doctorate prior to his PhD. Interregional Academy of Personnel Management is regarded as the main source of anti-Semitic activity and publishing in Ukraine,[34]" I wonder I could get a Ph.D. in Theory of Indian Buffets from the Ukrainian Interregional Academy of Cullinary Arts.

LMAO at how the guy started to sweat when Blitzer asked him directly "Do you hate jews?" ... "Do you believe there was a Holocaust?" What a duche bag this David Duke. I hope they perform a Jihad on his ass in Iran.

Associate Degree in what? Is it some sort of liberal arts degree? In the US, any degree after highschool will improve your chances of getting a job over someone with only a highschool diploma but that's about it. It really depends on what you want to do.

If you can prove the Qur'an is above all other 'holy' books, being "Armenian" or not will be quite irrelevant. Obviously the whole point of this thread has been that the Qur'an is somehow leaving you unfulfilled .. there is something still lacking in your life even with the Qur'an and that's why you are in seek of your Armenianness. So I don't have much hope that you will prove much about your Qur'an. What I am interested to see is the discussion about which is the Truth: Qur'an or the Bible and there are people on each side claiming one way or the other and they can't both be true.

Hagarag is going to explain how Jesus and Muhammad had a common Armenian ancestor who was gay and married to a jew in the higher echelons of the time. You just wait ...

Great ... I look forward to discussions with our "intelligent" turkish "friends" regarding any allegations of evidences that these stories weren't originally written as such.

Yah come on guys ... let's have a real discussion here once and for all. You can't both be right. Bible + Jesus vs Quran + Allah ... which one of you two got it right?

Would Monte Melkonian approve of an Armenian switching over to Islam?

You didn't threaten them with Jihad, did you?

Pinto beans usually do the trick I think it's safe to say this thread has run it's course. Sassun, how can you possibly expect people to embrace you when you say you have no good "Armenian" friends, you can't talk to them, they are all pushing you away (which means you give them reasons to push you away -- justified or not), that somehow Arabic is able to capture the true meanings of what you believe (and not Armenian), etc etc etc. It is very difficult to take you seriously about wanting to be "Armenian" anymore. I also HIGHLY doubt your children will learn any Armenian, especially if your wife is not Armenian. Unless by some straaaaaaange turn of events you find an "Armenian" women the same as yourself that is muslim and prays in Arabic and has Arabic friends while she is still "Armenian". Ok I got a head ache.

And I fully agree. Sassun, at least be able to admit that you have assimilated. Otherwise, if you don't see this simple truth, then you are REALLY lost. As I have said, I think you are still Armenian but your children will not be.

Is Arabic a superior language to Armenian? Or does Allah speak and understand Arabic and not Armenian? See it's little rediculous things like that that disturb me greatly about what you really consider "important" as far as your faith and beliefs are concerned. You are so set on minute irrelevant details that you are missing the big picture. It is absolutely insulting to have someone say the one true creator speaks (or even prefers) a specific language or act (like the washing of the hands after farting thing we discussed earlier).

Ok I seemed to have learned from this thread that Islam is the one TRUE religion that is universal. I am eagerly awaiting the next devout new member to sign up to claim the same of his or her religion (whatever that religion may be) in a few days. How the hell some of you religious types get so brain washed into this cult mentality, I will never understand. Allaho Akbar.

There must be SOMETHING that brings about a change in belief. So far you have said reading the Quran made you feel like somehow Islam was the true religion. Well, Christians say the same thing about Christianity (actually, I'd love to see a discussion on this topic between you and our own aSolider). My whole point is that you and your "beliefs" are really no different than Christians and their "beliefs". You all read a book and start feeling all warm and fuzzy and get carried away with your "beliefs". Don't worry ma man, you are still just as Armenian as Sasuntsi Davit. I just hope we in this forum have made you think a little bit about WHY you are asking these questions. I think your true confusion is not whether you are Armenian or not ... but you just somehow need to affirm that the choice you made in switching to Islam somehow hasn't made you abandon who you really are. In a sense, I think it's is healthy you are asking questions but I do think you need to ask the more fundamental questions first and not skip over them with simple answers like "oh that's just my belief".

What specifically about Islam makes you feel so warm and fuzzy inside that Christianity is lacking? Why are you having such a difficult time answering this simple question? Why did you switch? What is it about Islam that makes you feel so much better?

I'm going to take a guess and say around 44.

I was thinking it might perhaps be more the other way ... to get attention from the non muslims: As in "Look at the choice I have made. Accept me. Talk about me. Or if you don't accept me, then still talk about me." In the end, it really doesn't make sense to ever boast about one's religion. Why even proclaim it at all? A relationship with God is a very personal thing and should be kept as such. All this prancing around with various symbols, and facing a certain direction then sticking rear ends up in the air, making cross gestures, standing and kneeling etc etc etc are just meant to show off. I HIGHLY doubt an almighty God is at all interested with such "showmanship". What really matters is what is inside and how you live your life.

I am no doctor but he should really have this checked out. That's assuming he cares about living. If he doesn't care but you care about him living, then definitely make him have this thing checked out. The only thing I know about heart attacks is that some aspirin could save the patient's life. But again, I am no medical doctor, and don't know anything about this type of stuff. But I do know chest pain, difficulty of breathing, and turning black and blue are usually indications to head to the ER ... I don't care if you are a smoker/drinker or not.

The reason I asked why you converted to Islam since Christian faithfulls say those exact same things except with different lables: "Christianity is the true path. Christianity is truly simply perfect. The Bible cannot but be God's word. Christianity has not only given a spiritual basis for followers, it has also ordered society and societal relations. If you look at life, and all the things that go on around you, you will find its explanation in the Bible. When you pray, you feel you are not alone. In short, finding Christ is the solution. To everything. Accepting Christ is, literally, submission to God." So now again my question, why Islam? If the same exact aspects of Islam that you have brought up can be (and are) said of Christianity, why did you pick Islam? Seems like both religions provide the same promises in the context of everything you have mentioned.