Sip

Dear ES, welcome aboard!!! I have to say it was very interesting reading although I do not agree with it at all. So according to "Joggi Vasadev", sheep would probably be very spiritual creatures since they become one with existance. No sheep tries to "stick out like a sore thumb" ... when one goes over a hill into a ditch, the rest all follow! Well, sorry ... but I do like the Galileos, the Heisenbergs, the Keplers, the Einsteins, and othes like them who have stuck out like "sore thumbs" I really appreciate the fact that one day one of them got up and said, wait a minute, "the earth maybe round", or "wait a minute, I think we are going around the sun". I also like the fact that someone was "far from the pack" enough to say "wait a minute guys, I think light IS effected by gravity". If that means NOT being spiritual, then by all means, sign me up. I rather know the truth and have NO spirituality than be caught up in a fantasy world that makes me feel good about myself and gives me "purpose". Basically, what I am saying, is that "being special" and "having something that the other does not" does not necessarily mean a bad thing as he makes it sound! Never the less, an interesting perspective indeed.

I don't think any side has proven anything! At least not in any sense of the word "prove". It's mostly opinion up there as far as I can see ... quote:by Eduard:Unity must come with sharing the same values that will lead us to build a future.I actually agree with Rubo on this one. That statement sounds very cool but I don't think has much practical value. Values, goals, visions of future ... all those are different from person to person and they vary over time. It would be great if we could all "share" the same values and outlooks and work together hand in hand to build a wonderful future. In some fantastic utopia, that may work! But in reality ... it's going to come down to the dirty democratic process, politicians, lobies, corporations making donations to push their cause ... and the individual vote. I think any "system" which ignores basic human needs for self-fulfilment and selfish gains and only bases it's existence on the "sharing (anything)" and "future vision" of a group is doom to fail from the start!

quote:Originally posted by Rubo:... Perhaps Mr. Eduard would explain what he would do to those Armenians who do not share your specific brand of values. ... Would you smash their computers and trash their work place? ... NO NO NO ... Please ... anything but that.

Welcome aboard Mher. Interesting Poll you setup there.

quote:Originally posted by Eduard Markosyan:WHO THE HELL IS THIS rubo CHARACHER, AFTER ALL!?! HE RUNS AROUND CALLING PEOPLE NAMES AND PLAYING A JUDGE FOR US. I second with you MJ. Unity must come with sharing the same values that will lead us to build a future. Dear Eduard, Rubo and MJ have been going at this for some time. It is definitely starting to cross the line of acceptable behavior policies of the forum. If you would like to know personal details about Rubo, Personal Message is probably the best way to find out. --- Please guys (Rubo and MJ in specific) ... It is obvious that you two have strong disagreements on certain topics (which is FINE .. this is a discussion forum after all). But at some point, the discussion stops and the "name calling" starts. If you really feel the need to attack each other and call names, then please use the PM feature of the board. Otherwise, you leave basically no choice for the moderatros than to start to delete/edit posts, give warnings, and/or other actions.

Ok not wanting to get involved in the personal attacks and the name calling as it is most likely counter productive ... What is this unity? I can see at least two definitions up there ... 1) As I understand, MJ says that unity is achieved when a group strives for a common goal. 2) Rubo, on the other hand, seems to suggest that unity (in a the "democratic" sense) is achieved through the power to vote. Well, #1, although is a cool and poetic defition, doesn't seem too practical to me. I don't remember having seen group of people that have had the same "goal". Yes, one can abstract away the goal to a level where everyone seems to agree, but the details are what it comes down to at the end. A "great republic" sounds great at first ... but what does it really mean? (i.e. I think it is too abstract and therefore it can't really unite a group). As far as #2, where is the balance? Surely a diaspporan and a person living in the country itself should not have equal say ... the main problem is going to be striking that perfect balance ... the weights placed on the "votes" ... not a very trivial task at all. Did I understand the definitions of unity correctly? [ August 12, 2002, 03:32 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/gal/t6/t6-sip5.jpg http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/gal/t6/t6-sip1_tn.jpg http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/gal/t6/t6-sip2_tn.jpg http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/gal/t6/t6-sip3_tn.jpg http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/gal/t6/t6-sip4_tn.jpg http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/gal/t6/t6-sip6_tn.jpg http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/gal/t6/t6-sip7_tn.jpg http://zr2.cs.ucla.edu/Sip/gal/t6/t6-sip8_tn.jpg (click these to see larger versions) Got some fresh ones for you guys ... all from yesterday. It was a BLAST !!! This was the same trail that one of my buddies busted his drive shaft in two pieces last time and I had to tow him back into town. But this time, we got everyone through with NO problems. [ August 12, 2002, 03:54 AM: Message edited by: Sip ]

Oh just one more clarification ... that analysis up there, is for the worst case scenario. They also claim that in many cases, it will require about log^6 n steps ... so for the 10^10 example above, the algo will require about 1343820821 steps ... which a 2GHZ computer can probably do in less than a second. But usually, it's the worst case that kills you

Wow ... very interesting find MJ. That seems to be a pretty cool discovery. I just took a quick look through the paper and seems to be a nice piece of work. I wasn't able to understand everything yet, as it is a highly theoretical paper (as expected). It'll probably take a whole week just to understand it. However, as the article suggested, although it is a nice theoretical contribution, I doubt that their algorithm has much "practical" value. Just to put things in perspective, and not getting too technical ... For example, they claim the algorithm has a comlexity of O(log^12 n)... which would mean that for a number n, they require about log n to the 12-th power (log base 2) number of steps to figure out if n is prime or not. Since in cryptography you deal with HUGE numbers, that may be too complex. Let's take n=10^10 for example (10 to power 10). log^12 (n) would be about 1805854400724855286 steps !!!! That would mean a 2GHZ computer would need more than 20 years of continuous operation at peak performance to figure out if 10^10 is prime or not ... and 10^10 is basically a 33-bit number. Now we usually deal with 64-bit or 128-bit "keys" in encryption. (much much bigger than 10^10). Note: my calculations above are just very "rough" estimates. However, I do believe they give a good "ball-park" figure and do put things in perspective !!!!

quote:Originally posted by MosJan:letom ??? Ba inch vor "letom". El urish ban chi linie.

quote:Originally posted by Harut:... is the ground "flat" all the way around the globe? ... Harut, I think you should check out THIS SITE .... or maybe even THIS ONE. [ August 09, 2002, 11:42 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by nairi:Seaphan, where are you? I'm growing increasingly more and more impatient. See above your last post. Nairi Sorry!!! I didn't even see it. I spent ALL day today trying to get my car fixed. I have been back and forth at the dealer and they weren't able to fix it ... they replaced several parts in the past week trying to find my a 4x4 problems ... FINALLY just a few hours ago they found it!!! ... and you guessed it ... it's a COMPUTER problem !!!! ahahahahahaha ... I love computers. Apprarently, one of the "modules" which controls the 4x4 thing had died so everything was going nuts ... all kinds of strange codes, things not working, flashing lights ... it was a mess. I am glad we got it fixed since I am leaving for another offroading trip in just a few hours. I would hate for something like that to brake down in the middle of no where. Mechanical things are easy to fix (relatively) I will take a look at what you posted in more detail as soon as possible although I may not have any internet for a couple of days From the brief look I got, looks like you are on to something. Glad someone else is enjoying this as much as I do! [ August 09, 2002, 11:38 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by MJ:Actually, I was thinking what the heck is wrong whith this guy.... Now I know. LMAO at MJ Dear hagarag, My incest comment was due to the fact that if Adam and Eve were the first two, in order for a population to start, a lot of brothers and sisters and cousins had to have "gotten it on" if you know what I mean So even though Adam and Eve getting it ON was maybe not incest, what happened after? Since Adam and Eve had a finite life, there must have been incest in the population tree... and probably lots of it. I only brought this up since I had a heated argument with someone a long time ago on the topic where he was maintaining that the bible has no contradictions what so ever. Not being a bible expert (never read it and he knew), I guess I really got on his nerves since he simply did not have an answer for this! The argument started off by him saying the bible frowns upon incest (again, a fact that I am not sure of but he brought it up and it worked perfectly to my advantage!!!) [ August 09, 2002, 06:06 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by hagarag:When God placed us upon this Earth, SEX, SEX, SEX was part of what he or she established for us. It is part of our genetic code. It is as natural as eating, sleeping, going to the toilet, sneezing, coughing, etc. Get used to it in all it's various forms. When GOD placed us on this Earth, he only made 2 of us (as far I as know). Therefore, incest was also as natural as coughing, sneezing, and eating. So how come we Armenian's aren't too much into incest anymore? I really wish one day everyone would open their eyes and start living like God wanted us to. Now too bad I don't have a cute sister. --- EDIT: Although I do agree with your point hagarag ... just not the reasoning [ August 09, 2002, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by nairi:Okay, how about this? ...94 108 109 111 112 117 118 120 121 243 244 246 247 252 253 255 256 270 271 273 274 279 280 282 283 567 568 570 571 576 577... Hmmmmm ... sorry Here are the first 1000 numbers in the sequence: seq.txt. Here are the first 1000 differences between sequential numbers: diff.txt. Here are the 'C' source files for the simple programs I used to generate the above files. Note that these are basically "solutions" if you can figure out what I did! So look as a last resort. Harut ... you may like this Generate the sequence: seq.cpp. Generate the differences: diff_src.txt. [ August 09, 2002, 12:32 AM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by nairi:I knew it couldn't be as easy as it looked, esp. if you (math-brains) spent a day trying to figure it out. Thanks for the solution. It was an interesting endeavor. Well, I for one didn't even realize the pattern that you found ... the "description" of the solutions is: All binary integers, assumed to be in base 3, converted to decimal. I think one may realize this pattern if that person notices the jumps happen at powers of 3 (1 3 9 81 243 ...) but I for one didn't. So the pattern is: 1 10 11 100 101 110 111 1000 ... which converted from base 3 to decimal (base 10) are: 1 3 4 9 10 12 13 27 ... ------- Edit: Don't know about you guys but sometimes I really need to focus and think about something completely unrelated to what I am doing in order to get "unstuck" on a problem (talking about a real problem that I may be working on). Has it ever happened that you are thinking hard about something, you don't seem to be ANYWHERE near the answer after several hours, and then you go do something else, like watch tv, eat, do laundry, or just check something like hyeforum for a few minutes, and all of a sudden the answer hits you? It's strange. But happens to me a lot ... even several times when I have been asleep. I think it is very strange how the thought process works in humans [ August 09, 2002, 07:56 AM: Message edited by: Sip ]

quote:Originally posted by Azat:Sip jan, es topikits naftalini(moth balls) hota galis. Es vorteghits gtar esi? Weeeeeeell, if you MUST know ... nvardk@hotmail.com happened to be a featured member today. I clicked on the profile and noticed the member number was #3 !!! I looked at the recent posts and it turns out that member #3 has had 2 posts ... one of them is the one you see here ... the other one is in another thread asking what it feels like to be Armenian. This is kinda fun ... it's like excavating ancient history about some old civilization that once existed and is now extinct!!!

quote:Originally posted by MosJan:Many of us say we do not like to listen to rabiz music or dress like a rabiz, yet we do not realize that we contradict ourselves. Here are the following reasons why... ? Do you like Aram Asatryan ? ? do you like TAta Simonyan ? ? do you like TAtul ? ? do you like ARmenchik ? ?do you like Andy ? Nunne nuee nunnee Aba ?do you like vache ? ? do you like Sako ? ? then how is it that you do not like RAbiz music? I would like to add Britney Spears and Ricky Martin to that list as well... two of the best "Rabiz" artists I have ever seen.

quote:Originally posted by nairi:Does this make sense? ...31 36 37 39 40 81 82 84 85 90 91 93 94 108 109 117 118 120 121... Nairi It makes sense if there is a 111 112 between 109 and 117. I think you have found "a pattern" which works in the beginning for what I started the problem with. But if we keep going, you are going to miss the BIG jumps! It's not a fault of the solution, it's just that to really see the pattern, we need to go much farther in the sequence. In any case, it's a strange problem to begin with. I only put it here since I wasted so much time on it and I figured it's only fair to let others do the same So I am guessing that you have noticed there is basically a repeating "+1, +2, +1", with jumps of +5, +14, +5 ... But then we got a +41 (between 40 and 81) and soon there is a +122 jump! i.e. the pattern goes: 111 112 117 118 120 121 243 244 246 ... So, if you and I are synced so far, the problem is where those "jumps" take place and try to predict the next one! Although there IS an explanation for this pattern.

quote:Originally posted by nairi:Math is my worst subject, and I'm probably completely wrong, but I'm willing to give this sequence a try: ...30 31 36 37 39 40 54 55 57 58 63 64 66 67 81 82 84 85 90 91 93 94 108 109... If math is one of your "worst" subjects, I can't imagine how you are in one of the "better" subjects!!! That is actually a pretty cool answer . Even though it is NOT the one I had in mind (I don't know what Azat has in mind), I think that is a perfectly valid answer as far as I can tell! Wow The original sequence I had in mind jumps from 40 to 81 ... so it goes: 37 39 40 81 82 84

It took me about 3 days to figure out what an SMIL file is, how I am supposed to download PNM or RTSP files to finally be able to play what is on that site ... It turns out you MUST have "realplayer" otherwise it doesn't seem to work (too easily ) ... and those ".SMIL" files (in the links) should probably be .RAM or .RM files although I am not sure. But it finally worked! [ August 08, 2002, 03:50 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

Very funny Rubo ... and the amazing thing is that for most men, probably either one would work while for women, you probably have to do all of those things! --- Edit. Actually, upon closer inspection I just noticed that you had ','s in the women's list and '.'s in the men's list which probably indicates what I was trying to say above! [ August 07, 2002, 05:19 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]

Welcome aboard arasydney ... You may want to check out www.worldlounge.com.

Well, some of them come with 3D glasses that plug directly into the card. That card is a great 3D gaming card but it will also do very good in 2D (normal windows). 512->1Gig is overkill I think. I did it on my PC when memory was VEYR cheap and I rarely use more than 256MB .. only if I run linux and windows at the same time or do some very complicated simulations do I ever get even close to 500MB. I can't imagine right now you needing more than 512 MB ram ... The problem is, if you buy more RAM, and you don't use it, it is simply wasted ... RAM is something that after a certain point it becomes useless and just sits there If you use windows 2000 or XP, go to task manager and look at the "performance" (you can get there using ctrl-alt-del) It shows exactly how much memory you are using.

quote:Originally posted by Azat:Who took the candy bar? I expect behavior like that from Domino ... but Movses ... shame on you for lying Bayts Azat, desnum es Harut e inchpes shut mexke ketsum e ko vren? .... and thanks for sticking up for me! [ August 07, 2002, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: Sip ]