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AMBASSADOR AZNAVUR ? How much of the below is taken out of context and how much is twisted to fit their agenda? Does this item better fit under the topic of LIARS’ CLUB and see who are the bigger liars? http://www.armtown.com/news/en/trt/20110908/168086/

Dear Nvard, please forgive me for digressing and perhaps going off topic inserting the above story about the tattooed Grandmother. It was an attempt to show why we are leery of the practice. There may be a reason why most Armenians have an aversion of tattoos. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17143&st=0&p=218516&hl=tattoo&fromsearch=1entry218516 Except at pilgrimage to Jerusalem they would get tattoos with Christian themes to show the fact that they are sanctified. I can’t find it now, some time ago Johannnes told us that the Armenian (sur)name “kmhdes/makhdes/ makdes (ian) from the Arabic “mukkades” to mean “sanctified”, i..e has visited Jerusalem ( Arabic kudus/holy city) ** in pilgrimage. Those men and women were often nicknamed “hajI” from the Arabic “haj/pilgrim(age). In fact some children were named “hajI” At one time there was a store across the main gate of the Armenian Convent in Jerusalem which in fact was a tattoo studio. http://books.google.com/books?id=PnB0AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq=jerusalem+armenian+tattoo&source=bl&ots=UQAoTJ8ER4&sig=XmQ2gWZzsNgBAJbDuICr9H_WVqw&hl=en&ei=W0NiToufAurx0gGv7NCwCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&sqi=2&ved=0CE4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=jerusalem%20armenian%20tattoo&f=false You will notice above that someone interpreted “mah-desi” as “I saw death”. WRONG!!!! Cheap amateurish linguistics. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=5844.5;wap2 ** At one time Armenians would name their children, male and female “kudsi” to mean “holy-/sacred/ Jerusalemite.”

Mananekh/ Mustard. Khardal from the Arabic خردل =Mustard To see the Armenian of it see “մանանեխ/mananekh” below. The flower; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b1/Yellow_mustard_flower.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b1/Yellow_mustard_flower.jpg The seed; http://www.botanicoil.com/images/seed_Mustard.jpg http://www.botanicoil.com/images/seed_Mustard.jpg

http://asbarez.com/97928/%e2%80%98grandma%e2%80%99s-tattoos%e2%80%99-a-riveting-film-about-the-forgotten-women-of-genocide/ ‘Grandma’s Tattoos’: A Riveting Film About the Forgotten Women of Genocide http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2011/09/0901khanoum.jpg http://asbarez.com/App/Asbarez/eng/2011/09/0901khanoum.jpg "Grandma Khanoum" ----- Should you ask what "Khardal(ian)" means ,look here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=19754&pid=283961&st=0entry283961

How many of the above mentioned vestments/զգեստ can you see and identify here; http://araratian-tem.am/media/catholicos.jpg http://araratian-tem.am/media/catholicos.jpg http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Karekin%20II%20Nersissian,20132nd%20Catholicos%20of%20All%20Armenians.jpg http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Karekin%20II%20Nersissian, %20132nd%20Catholicos%20of%20All%20Armenians.jpg http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Karekin%20II%20Nersissian,%20132nd%20Catholicos%20of%20All%20Armenians.jpg http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Karekin%20II%20Nersissian,%20132nd%20Catholicos%20of%20All%20Armenians.jpg http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Karekin%20II%20Nersissian,%20132nd%20Catholicos%20of%20All%20Armenians.jpg http://www.mospat.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/MG_1994.jpg Btw. One of the entries above caught my attention; A surprise? Shouldn’t be. I have known that word to be from the Arabic to mean “stick/tree branch/shepherd‘s staff”. The Armatakan does not treat it, but the Dictionary of Synonyms says “ասա/asa” to see “գաւազան/gavazan”. Armenian Gavazan; http://www.melikiancollection.com/Selections/Armenian-Artifacts/Melikian-Antiques-092/438739180_aDAey-S.jpg http://www.melikiancollection.com/Selections/Armenian-Artifacts/Melikian-Antiques-092/438739180_aDAey-S.jpg Jesus the Good Shepherd and His staff; http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Jesus-Good-Shepherd-14.jpg http://www.turnbacktogod.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Jesus-Good-Shepherd-14.jpg This will be treated in its own turn. Beware. It is a bit “unorthodox” to say the least.

VESTMENTS ԶԳԵՍՏ-Zgest The following is from Sydney Australia. It may not be complete but it will do. Some of the English translations may be kind of amateurish just as the Latin transliteration is ala stanbol. We will come back and see the definitions of “vestment” and the Armenian “զգեստ/zgest" as they both seem to be from the same original Greek, or even further back from Sanskrit. Please open the site and see the pictures, and if you know the more correct names of the objects, be it Armenian or English. --- http://armenianchurchsydney.org.au/learning/church-vestments/

PAGAN TEMPLE in SHIRAK ? I have not seen this story except in Tert-Am below. Neither can I find an English verion. How reliable is this? Below we read that in an archeological dig, so far the most extensive ruins of a pagan temple has been unearthed near the village of Hoghmik in the Shirak region. That an accompanying plaque describes the site as having several chambers each dedicated to particular rites, like baptism and military conscription. And that it sheds light on many pagan terms that have yet not been explained. The Hoghmik village had been known as Illi until 1975. Also note that it is located at the banks of the river Ilik. (which I cannot find). We may not see the Hoghmik Village here. It is south of Amasia and northeast of Jradzor. http://www.armsite.com/maps/mshow.phtml?when=now&slide=1 --- http://www.tert.am/am/news/2011/08/25/shirakbagin/ http://tert.am/g_image.php?id=165120&tmb=3

A long time ago we used to play a childish card game “աղջիկ փախցնել/aghjik pakhtsnel”. I forget all the rules, but it seems like whoever ended up with the Queen of Hearts would lose the game. http://catholicunveiled.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/queen-of-hearts.jpg http://catholicunveiled.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/queen-of-hearts.jpg Some time ago a friend, a mature unmarried woman told us a joke and I called her -“anamot knik” . Sorry! She retorted - “Yes knik chem. Yes aghjik em!!”. ---- ԱՂՋԻԿ, Aghjik. Տես..ԱՂԻՋ=Կոյս, աղջիկ: Փաղաքշական , endearing and diminutive, i.e words ending in “իկ/ik” ** ** I just learned an Armenian word for “diminutive - նուազական/nvazakan. Where is “գաբիկ/gabik/գաբօ/gabo/kapo”, a diminutive of Gabriel/ Գաբրիէլ/kapriyel?

Hurricane-Irene-Huri? Irene, from the Greek Irena to mean peaceful/serene? Yeah right!! Where is Maral and her daughter Huri? See#s 25 and 27 here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=9993&st=20 Maybe she will name her next daughter Irene! From the Russian? Oh Yeah!!! I am surprised they did not say from the furkish “irin”/ pus/թարախ Yes, tonight we will all join in singing Good Night Irene. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcHLCv6sFFU&feature=related You may have already heard that Miss Irene the Hurricane has been wreaking havoc at the Atlantic coast of the US. What is the Armenian word for Hurricane? One source says- Փոթորիկ, Մրրիկ (Each of which deserve further consideration) My first instinct was that the word is of Native American origin, but Webster’s says Spanish. (I am not totally convinced.)** ** Ah!! I found it. Just as I suspected. ” It seems to be from the Arawak speaking Indians of the West Indies”. As always, please beware of definitions given in even the best dictionaries, as often they are published as presented by amateur linguists without further research. The best examples would be that “yoghurt” is of furkish origin, and as my paper edition says that “heathen” is from the Armenian “hetanos”, which btw has been amended since.

Thank you Mos. I had never seen that word. before, neither did I know its meaning. In fact it is spelled կնգուղ/kncough. ** This brings us to “Վեղար/veghar”. We will see what it actually means just as we will see what գլխարկ/glkhark/ hat/head cover is. Sorry . I cannot find what գլխարկ/hat comes from except գլխարկել to cut the heard off. Popoz http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17911 Look here; http://hetq.am/eng/articles/3746/ http://hetq.am/arm/articles/3746/ http://armenianchurchsouth.ru/am/files/2011/01/17.jpg http://armenianchurchsouth.ru/am/files/2011/01/17.jpg[img]</p><p> </p><p>http://incl.flavii.de/de/wissen/kleidung/cucullus.jpg</p><p> </p><p>[img]http://incl.flavii.de/de/wissen/kleidung/cucullus.jpg http://www.prepolino.ch/themen/roemer/bilder/cucullus.gif From the Greek -Χθνχθλλθσ khunkhullus, to the Latin “cucullus” and to the English “cowl” Also, at times Cowl is the headdress, the comb of a male bird. (Աքաքաղի) ԿԱՏԱՐ Which also appropriately means “summit/ top of the mountain”. Also known as “crest/crete”. http://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/ULY/ULY069/u21758646.jpg At times I have heard some Kiliketsis use the word “kenkil” to mean “hair bang, which I thought was from the furkish. Apparently not. Just replace the K with G and the L with GH http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VvvQcWhf3DU/Tg_3P0tH_JI/AAAAAAAAAFI/L9a0HX2-rPM/s1600/Long+Hair+With+Bangs.jpg http://www.canmag.com/images/front/davinci/davinci7.jpg https://www.halloweenmanor.com/store/images/thumbnail/MONK-ROBE-wATTACHED-COWL-1297.jpg --- We will further expand and see what զգեստ/zgest/vestment is.

See # 69 here, Vard Koshik@s;http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18730&st=60 Here is Nvard dancing in her Red Shoes.

Someone please tell the vatican what to do do with those archives? Where were they in 1895 and 1915? When even today the pope(s) are going to furkey,kissing and hugging with brother kardash mehmet Not to forget that the name of that bishop is "pagano" i.e "pagan/hethanos".

You mean "Kermer fstan (h)akouts e"? Can you see our King of MusaLer MosJan dancing? See songbook-dance. http://www.mousaler.com/ The above is in a non-copiable PDF format. Can someone convert it to text?

I hear you. I have no idea where that key of "և," is. I could care less. I have enough problems to learn where the keys for Ա and Բ are. When did we become so stingy and lazy to not type Ե and Ւ? not Ե and Վ please! Wait till you see our friends in "jerewan"** type it as ՅԵՎ. ** Look up some maps made in Germany and see how they spell Yerevan/Jerewan. When did we become so stingy and lazy when we invent words like երկաՅնա-կլորա-խմորա-ծակ/yerkayna-klora-khmora-tsak for macaroni and "հեռուստատեսութՅուն/heroustatesoutyoun" for TV. And now, we cannot type Ե and Ւ? How about we abbreviate that two mile long English word A-N-D to something like ND? PS. Those who insist that the word ԵՒ is a letter have no business in Armenian linguistics. Ննջէցեք դուք անդորր Մաշթոց եւ Աճառեան, Նահատակ Եղբայրներ:

ALAVERDI? ala-Verdi? Of late we have been reading a lot about Alaverdi, most of which are very disturbing. Like the scandal about Serop Der Boghosian, and even more disturbing this connected http://hetq.am/eng/articles/3600/ Thank you MosJan. Is it like ala-VERDI as in Celeste Aida? I don’t think so. In the Italian “verdi” means “green”. Was Giuseppe Verdi-s real name Hovsep Ganachian? Can we stop playing silly semantical games and admit. No shame. That the modern name is from furkish??. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T2YOepsOYY&feature=related http://www.google.com/search?q=%D5%A1%D5%AC%D5%A1%D5%BE%D5%A5%D6%80%D5%A4%D5%AB&hl=en&rlz=1W1RNTN_en&biw=1055&bih=467&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=gmFSTpKpLKjZ0QG83IHrBg&sqi=2&ved=0CF8QsAQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaverdi --- --- http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%B1%D5%AC%D5%A1%D5%BE%D5%A5%D6%80%D5%A4%D5%AB To me this is BS/YT. It is, at best a retrofitting as there is no record that I can find,or anywhere a refernce to that so called "molla allah-verdi oghli tarkhan". http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=13853 -- All the above entries are incomplete. There is more about the naming of the town that it was originally known as Manes/Manesgomer. To me , all the above assumptions that it was named for a certain molla is a lot of eshu poch/donkey manure. It is true that it was renamed so at the Seljuk invasion. The name “allah verdi”is blatantly furkish to mean “god given”, that it was given to them by allah, much like the Armenian “Astuatsatur/Assatur” Why don’t we rename it Assatur? NO!! Let us not retranslate from the furkish. Let us go back to its original historical Armenian name of MANES.. Maness if you will, as in English “manes” will be read as “meynz”. It all sounds Greek to me. See why. In that cursed non-language "allahverdi" means god-given, gift from god. Like the Armenian- --- TBC- to be continued.

Dear Aratta, please tell us where that Ջրվէժ/waterfall (Niagara) is.** **Someday we will see why ջրվԷժ is spelled with the letter Է not Ե. Hint. “vezh-vizhum” i.e miscarriage/abortion.. Only if those armianski linguiski clowns in Yerevan would learn real Armenian where the Է turns to Ի when Ե does not. As in Վէրք Վիրաւոր/Verq/Virawor. Clowns? Indeed! And they are to teach us the Armenian Language/Aemianski Languaski/filoloktsia? ԼեզուագիՑու ՑՅՈՒՆ? Yes. Yes. We already know that the word ԵՒ/ ԵՎ YEV/AND is a letter of the Ayb Ben Gim. What is the Armenian word for IDIOT? Some may say "Arpa". I plead guilty! I am an idiot. How else would I be here all this time? This a matter for argument ՎԷՃ not վեճ as the former turns to "vijabanel" but the latter does not. Should we believe them like when some of our friends in Yerevanntell us the word in reverse (furkish)"jeb" to mean pocket/grpan գրպան. To not forget that they also tellus that the word for "shave" is that trash word "trash". Anyone here speak Armenian? http://www.armenianow.com/features/28380/armenia_gyumri_barber_shave This is the trash we know; http://worldtravelalert.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Italy-naples-trash.jpg http://worldtravelalert.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Italy-naples-trash.jpg

'ervant. Just you wait. "Just you wait 'enry 'iggins, just you wait!"** We have not yet խորուել/roasted you. Or have we? Please remember who the inventor of that term HyeKhorum is. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=13557&st=0&p=165076&hl=hyekhorum&fromsearch=1entry165076 ** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31OQe2uheKk Here is Kho Khorovel

Բարով տեսանք Օհան: Long time no see. For those who cannot see and read the Armenian, it says that if the Boshas/Gypsies had not invented the sieve/մաղ we would all be eating mouse droppings. Meaning- “were it not for the sieve to separate flour from other impurities” True! The Gypsies best known for their Tsigan music are also inventors and experts , among others the horse tail hair sieve. The rest of the story is equally fascinating. http://fiberarts.org/design/articles/images/reduce1.jpg http://fiberarts.org/design/articles/images/reduce1.jpg HAHA HEHE! Sorry, forgive me the silliness. This story has more holes than a “մԱՂ/sieve”. http://www.gardentalk.com/sieve.gif http://www.gardentalk.com/sieve.gif Below it says that the Bosha artisans will buy worn out wares from the peasants, renew and repair them and resell them (to the original owner). This reminds us the Kesaratsi joke, where they would buy a sick old black donkey, repaint it white and sell it back to the same merchant. Is it like patching the hole in a shoe with chewing gum? See #3 and 5 above. We have spoken about Gypsies and and chewing gum before. Gypsy Men Selling Sieves Postcard http://216.188.208.141/Romania/Gallery/GypsyMen.htm The above adage is attributed to the English. We know the Armenian version of the saying. Doing the impossible at an impossible event. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=17735&pid=283660&st=100entry283660 “Քո հարսանիքին մաղով ջուր պիտի բերեմ/I will bring water in a sieve at your wedding”. I will gladly do that at the weddings of Azat, Harut, Sip and others. --- Also add this feature from HETQ ; http://hetq.am/arm/articles/3746/ In the English version the word “bosha” is omitted http://hetq.am/eng/articles/3746/

ԱԽ՜ ՏԱՄ Վախ եմ ասել You’re doing an excellent work. Thank you again. Did you take pictures of what was once known as “aghdam”? We seem to forget that there is no place with name anymore. It is known as AKNA; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=31394&pid=276871&st=0entry276871 Can we please stop using furkish names for Armenian towns and villages, PLEASE!!?? Some day we will tackle with “Alaverdi”

Dear Kingdom, before I forget. Thank you for those wonderful pictures. Verrry Interresting. Please tell us about that “hetaqrqir ughi”. Please survey the below map and see that a direct linez between Yerevan and Stepanakert is about 200 km. By American standards that would be about 120 miles. By those standards. At 60 mph it would be a 2 hour drive. OK. 3 hours. http://travel.javakhk.net/travel_javakhk_maps/Armenia_Artsakh2.jpg http://travel.javakhk.net/travel_javakhk_maps/Armenia_Artsakh2.jpg We are happy that the Stepanakert airport is almost ready that will reduce the Y-S flight time to under ½ hour. However it will deprive the average traveler/driver passing through many of those towns and villages, and miss many interesting side attractions. Not to mention that it will bypass many important locations in the Syunik region, like Sisian, Goris, Tatev and others. About a decade ago Arsen, a fine young man drove us from Y to S through Sisian, Goris and Berdzor. At the time the highway was in such bad shape, most of the way there was no asphalt left and it was pocked with potholes bigger than the Grand Canyon, except for that freshly constructed highway from Berdzor and on. It took us better than 20 hours, with, of course mandatory stops. On the way back Arsen, as gracious as he is (we compensated him generously) showed us Satani Kamourj and Tatev, which at the time was a virtual pile of rocks. He also took us to Jermuk, a highlight in its own right. To not say that if there were a direct highway between Y and S one could not stop and visit those wonderful places like Jermuk, Tatev, Goris, Berdzor and Shushi. Once again, dear Aratta, please tell us about that “hetaqrqir ughi”.

We have discussed this subject to the ground. That surnames ending in “ian-yan” are 99.9% Armenian, leaving out that 01% who hide behind the surname to hide their real identity, in most cases that they are in fact followers of moshe. Where is that Դանձ Գլուխ Hagarag? We have also stated that the “ian/yan” is not an exclusive Armenian property, that many Persians and those in the Indian subcontinent do in fact use it. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15758&st=0&p=195073&hl=nazarian&fromsearch=1entry195073 Enough comedy. Let us get serious. Who is to conduct a serious scientific research to tell us when ,where and why Armenians began to use the “ian/yan” ending of family names? You will see that neither Mashtots, Sahak Partev, Paustos Buzant, Anania Shirakatsi, nor Khorenatsi had “ian/yan” ending surnames. We don't know what TigranII's family name was. OH! No! Silly me! It was Orontid/Yervandouni/Erwanduni. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18383 Here is another perso-yudan/mosheyan? Hiding behind the “ian/yan” surname? Or, is the fact that he is Iran-IAN means he is Armenian? http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2011/08/19/fars/ We have also written about "sayed/syed/seda/sayida". Syed/Sayed means Lord/Ter/ՏԷՐ , and Սեդա/ Seyida means "lordess"? ՏԻՐՈՒՀԻ.

Bra Brew** Tempest in a cup. ** “Bra” is an abbreviation of the French word “brassier” and the Fr. word “brasserie” means brewery. ---- ---- Hot Pants Are you being served? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrN5q2JD_Wg&feature=related Also see the story from a furkish newspaper in NewsAM Aug. 20

HAHA! HEHE! Of course those clowns use their own private musical scale/octave of A-Z instead of A B C D E F G/ Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Si http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/C_major_scale.png ]img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/C_major_scale.png[/img] That in fact the Armenian musical scales, the “khaz” was invented by you-know -who. http://news.am/eng/news/71345.html ---- What will be next? That we cannot use the Ayb Ben Gim, since they invented it along with the Arabic script, the Cyrillic and of late, the Latin? We will believe them when they show us that they have a native musical style after they prove that they have a native language, a bastardized furky and farci فارسی (The latter being a bastardized Arabic). Rhymes with "farty". What will jt be next? Chinese/Hindi/albanian/Zulu or Urartuan?

HAHA HEHE!!! BINGO!!! http://news.am/eng/news/71198.html Do they mean our youth should get off their butt, come to church for this, where we have better “online games“? See # 21 by our house philosopher Azat; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=7028&st=20

Attaboy Mr. Tankian! APRIS!!! Not only you have good cultural taste, you are also a true patriot. What the **** is vorivizhum anyway? We remember that fiasco where who’s that pretended to sing that piece of trash “kele” **which I thought was Komitas’ Kele Kele. Remember that “vorovizhum/vorosharzhum“**** by that clown Andre? What a disaster! And last year there was another fiasco, a family feud of sorts, and we lost in all those, specially when last year those nomads from boku won. **In the local native vernacular of Aleppo “kele” means tin can, a euphemism for a chamber pot- kakaman. CAN W FORGET ALL THAT GARBAGE AND GET BACK TO REAL ARMENIAN CULTURE???? Further. When did boku become a European city? Why do diasporans, specially those from Aleppo have better taste of Armenian culture? http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=27194&pid=270623&st=0entry270623 Here are father and son Tankian; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5MRixQNmsI&feature=related? Սարգիս Թանգեան for King of armenia*** *** I spelled "armenia" with the lower cas A to mean the kingdom of all 8 million Armenians wherever they may be. ****Btw, "վիժում/vizhum" means miscarriage/abortion.