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AVARAYR Fact or Fiction? WHY IS NOT ANYONE DIGGING THE "FABLED" SITE OF AVARAYR? IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE AFRAID TO BLOW THE WHOLE "FABLE" AWAY? Don’t let me forget to ask if this saga is recorded in any other peoples’ archives, like one of the main actors -the Persian? One of our least disputed Sagas., or is it? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mcR12IXif0k/SZworyjuqqI/AAAAAAAAAIw/4K9ij0zASec/s400/Num%C3%A9riser0241.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mcR12IXif0k/SZworyjuqqI/AAAAAAAAAIw/4K9ij0zASec/s400/Num%C3%A9riser0241.jpg http://www.armenian-history.com/Nyuter/HISTORY/middle%20ages/pictures/vartan.gif http://www.armenian-history.com/Nyuter/HISTORY/middle%20ages/pictures/vartan.gif http://www.armenica.org/history/en/overview/avarayr.html http://4.bp.blogspot...A9riser0241.jpg See also Yeghisheh, where we saw that some dispute his accounts and the dates of his life. Some argue that he based his epic on Parpetsi. We will see it under another cover; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=35530&pid=283160&st=0entry283160 I have asked this before. I can’t pinpoint where. Was it here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=4606&st=0&p=36258&hl=avarair&fromsearch=1entry36258 At times we have also agreed that “history” without archeological corroboration would just be mere mythology. Of all the archeological digs, why is not anyone digging Avarayr that is now supposed to be in a relatively friendly territory? Below read Karapetian’s article about “ Armenian monuments in Iran”. You may want to kill me for this. The legend. Yes I said legend. I am not ashamed neither am I afraid to be known an iconoclast. When and where did we learn to write this kind of history-schmistory-mistory? From those who say that their people wandered in the desert for forty, repeat forty years, who yet have not produced even a shred of physical evidence? ** Was there really a ”battle of Avarayr”? Where is the evidence? Where was it? Why is not anyone researching it? Has anyone found even a shred of evidence, like a button, a shoe/sandal lace? Never mind all that. Where are the tusks of all those elephants? Why are we not digging the site? Is it because we know it will blow away the whole legend ? It is not in enemy territory of furkey but in a relatively “friendly “ Iranian territory. Not to forget that a few hundred years ago that area was part of Armenia. Observe this map. Avarayr is supposed to be to the north of Khoy, what is now known as Marakan (protected area), a stone’s throw away west of Jugha. A map of modern NW Iran. A detailed map. See the inset, locate the Tghmout River and the actual site of Avarayr. http://www.armenica.org/history/en/overview/avarayr.html What is now known as Qarziaeddin This is what they call St. Thaddeus Monastery now Qara Kilisa/ Black Church; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Northwestthaddes.jpg http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/74937/ What is the matter Mr. Karapetyan, is your shovel not sharp enough to dig at Tghmut River? And this. http://tert.am/en/news/2011/07/25/samvelkarapetyan2/ Not to forget where Samvel blew the whistle on the Sanahin Fiasco; See #161; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18873&pid=283032&st=160entry283032 ---- ** It is assumed that Alexander and his army marched all the way from Athens to Afghanistan. Yet, even today, after 3000 years we still find artifacts that they left behind.

Yes. քաշքշող . Just like some others say "chekishdermeh-ji-ian". Ցիգ դու քաշիր հօ եզը. Արա հօ.

So far only a Brazilahay, a Parskahay, and MosJan have responded to the question by this Halepa-Amerika-hay. Let me repeat. I would like to see the opinion of our former Yerevana-Hay friends, hopefully positive about the subject. I know, many of them may not remember those days. How about their parents and grand parents? They know who they are. I will abstain from naming names lest I leave some out. Please forgive me for sounding the “zartonk”, the wake up call, to take a break from such mindless items like kardash and baghdadli-oghlu.

ԿԵՆԱՑ Կամաւոր Խիստ Հետաքրքիր. Քարսուն մտրակի հարուած քեզի: To Life Gamavor Verrry Interrresting. Gamavor you get forty lashes for stealing my title of the Master Stretcher. However NO!!! The Armenian word for biography is ԿԵՆՍԱԳԻՐ/kensagir **. It is directly related to the Latin “bio=life- graphy=writing“. The above word “dedicate” is interesting as in the Armenian consecration as in the dedication of an item, such as a cornerstone of a church is known as նուիրում- nviroum , օծում***- otsum. Now we come to the “Կենս- kens” Կենսագիր.=Life -Writing. Gamavor, don’t let me to forget to thank you for stimulating my brain. Կեցցես դու Կամաւոր!! We all assume that the Armenian word for “bio-life” is ԿԵԱՆՔ/կյանք(?) kyanq . Yes. except that there is no particular entry in the Etymological Dictionary-Armatakan. AAH!!! Look up Կեն/ken as in կենաց/kenats/կենսագիր Once again we redirected to “կել/kel“, which in turn is from կեալ/kyal. Which in time the L turned to N as in կեան/kyan. ԿեԱՆՔ is the plural of կեն/կեան I will stop here since it will take another ten pages to cite all the words derived and based on the root word. **Note that I avoided the unnecessarily elongated կենսագրութիւն and կենսագրական ***Օծում. Another interesting word.

Yes Boghos, that is the kind of positive response I was hoping for, even if my original post may have been kind of negative. Oddly, none of our former yerevanite friends have responded to tell us how Anastas was viewed in the 50-60-70-80-90 and 2000-s. Is there a tacit message here? When one googles "mikoyan-migoyan" a million sites will refer to Ardem of the MIG fame, and very few, next to none to Anastas.

This would be funny were it not tragic. Headline; Somali famine refugees begin Ramadan fast

Միթէ սրանք շփոթում են Կարսի Ամրոց Միջնաբերդը http://ermeni.hayem.org/francais/kars2.jpg http://ermeni.hayem.org/francais/kars2.jpg Եւ, Նաեւ Կարսում Վարդանի Կամուրջը http://ermeni.hayem.org/francais/kars6.jpg http://ermeni.hayem.org/francais/kars6.jpg http://ermeni.hayem.org/ermenice/kars_uni.htm

ԵՂԻՇԷ Yeghishe The major if not the sole authority on the Battle of Avarayr, Vardananq. Estimated dates of his life, 410-415 to 470-475 AD. Was there really an historian Yeghishe as the legend goes, and that he was Vardan‘s personal secretary, and that he actually participated in the Battle? A quote from the below Armenian, where it says- “very little is known about his historicity, that ver little comes to us in the form of folkloric legend“. See below (highlight) in the English bio where the dates are debated and that his opus was based on Ghazar Parpetsi’s account. Anyone here names their sons Yeghisheh? In addition to the above the biblical Elisha, meaning “god is salvation”, is supposed to be the successor to the prophet Elijah --- Is that him behind Vardan with a clerical cap? Ghevond Yerets to the left and the little girl Shushanik; http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mcR12IXif0k/SZworyjuqqI/AAAAAAAAAIw/4K9ij0zASec/s400/Num%C3%A9riser0241.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mcR12IXif0k/SZworyjuqqI/AAAAAAAAAIw/4K9ij0zASec/s400/Num%C3%A9riser0241.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeghishe http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D4%B5%D5%B2%D5%AB%D5%B7%D5%A5

COMMISSAR and MASIS SAR Truth hurts. We know it best. Can we talk? Can we for once speak the truth? All those legends about who did what to us. Can we talk about WHAT WE DID TO US? How about we stop passing the buck, like what mehmet, lenin and stalin did to us and start talking about what we did to us? The saga does neither start or end there. Look at what is happening in the fiasco of Artsakh. Everyone and their cousins are talking about it, including but not limited to the likes of (ras)Putin, Medvedev, alioghlu, erbokhan, Obama and others,... OSCE, ABC, NBC, CBS, UPS and FEDEX are all talking about it. Where is our voice? Who’s listening? Who is hearing? Everything we say is echoed and misquoted from ankaka and bokhu. This is from the category of Famous Armenians-Mikoyan. Do we have a category of “infamous Armenians”? All these legends to loll an lullaby ourselves to sleep at night. Anush qoun, bari yeraz. Քուն եղիր բալաս: http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=35501&pid=283116&st=0entry283116 And this, another “infamous Armenian-Shahumian”. http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=22191&pid=260830&st=0entry260830 We know that at that time ivan the chicken and mhmet the wolf signed, chicken- scratched on the dotted line. In 1922 when it is assumed that stalin ceded Nakhjavan and Artsakh to assergagjan, both so called Armenians, Mikoyan and Shahumian were commissars, neither of which livde in Armenia. Just like today when neither . Queen Louise, King Hovnanian, nor prince Manoian live in Yerevan. Yeah, yeah, let us bark from 10,000 miles away and see if anyone hears us and are scared. Why did Shaumian die in baku 1000 miles away from Yerevan and Mikoyan die in moscow, 3000 miles from Yerevan? Just like Vratsian and his cohorts dying in Beirut? Did either of them have something to say about that Stalinist transfer of territories? How about we stop lying to ourselves. No one believes our lies anyway!!! How come Anastas did not change his name to Mikovski and Stepan to Shahumov, or shahumoghlu? What the is “Mikoyan” anyway, is it Mkrtichian or Mikayelian? Or “shahumian”, whose , ում շահու մասին ենք խօսում/ “shah” are we talking about? http://www.armenianhistory.info/ussr.htm

I’ll vote for him. If anything he speaks the furkey language with many bleeps! Batman is a unit of weight. Some say it is furkic, others say it is Sanskrit/Persian. Also note that in their non-language “batmak” means to sink. Like in Batum? Where is Hagarag to tell us that his grandfather was the khoja mayor there ?

Yes indeed Yervant. But where is Sip’s buffet ? Are we invited? Is he buying us tickets to Outer Mongolia? http://mandarindanvers.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/buffet1.70215154.jpg And Ed’s bottle of “konyak”?. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/ArmenianBrandy.jpg/220px-ArmenianBrandy.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/ArmenianBrandy.jpg/220px-ArmenianBrandy.jpg

This is eerie. are you kdding? You mean there is a Kanaker near Damscus, Syria? I thought we had the exclusive trademark to Քանաքեռ/KANAKER Anyone see this news item? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14305762 ---- Who knows this song? I do. I cannot find out who the poet and the composer are.

Thank you Aratta for the wonderful pictures above. I can’t tell whether you have pictured the lake. Please label/describe your thumbnails. I don’t know how. There must be a way. This may be a bit off topic, a mere coincidence, serendipity (lucky find)? Was it prompted by your adventure and reportage? --- Քարի Լիճ http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hy/a/a6/Aragatslich.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hy/a/a6/Aragatslich.jpg Look what they are talking about. http://www.armenianow.com/sports/other_sports/31367/armenian_divers_team_record Sorry, I could not resist and hide my indignation. This is ridiculous. What kind of russa-latina-anglo Armenian is this? Is this how they speak on the streets of Yerevan? Look at the Armenian version, and tell me what kind of Armenian it is. See how դայվեր/diver turns to սուզել in the text, as in սոՒզանաւ/submarine. «Հայ էքստրիմ» high extreme ??? Here in the Diaspora we are busting our balls to speak real Armenian, but see what is happening in Yerevan. It is not funny. It is tragic. ---

Here is the first verse, I cannot find the rest. Ինձ ասում են Նախշուն բաջի, Ղարաբաղի Նախշուն բաջի: Ես գնացի տավարածի, Տավարս կորավ, ես մնացի… Seems like it is her own composition; Here is her biography. How come we have not known her all this time? http://www.armedia.am/?action=NKR&what=show&id=1247165807&lang=arm http://www.armedia.am/_images_/01(1341).jpg http://www.armedia.am/_images_/01(1341).jpg ---- It is so gratifying to see and hear genuine Armenian traditional instruments . No oud, no dumbek.

Thank you Harut. That is wonderful. She is beautiful! As always it fogged up my glasses. Even if I still can't make out the words. I may if it were in writing.

Curruptsia Ecclesia? And, we have the gall to speak about furks and asszeris desecrating our sacred monuments!!! He must be too busy defrocking, which He has done half a dozen times in the past several months. All those defrocking stories don’t specify the reasons. Could it be political, that they speak up about the corruption in the Church? The de-frockings are moving faster than the en-frockings. http://www.armtown.com/news/en/htq/20110328/201103281/ Where is Ms. Louise Simone Manoogian? http://hetq.am/eng/news/3044/ Also read some of the indignant angry readers’ comments. Here is one of many; ---- http://hetq.am/eng/news/3009/ Observe more pictures and video; http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2011/07/3009.jpg http://hetq.am/static/news/b/2011/07/3009.jpg

Thank you Zartonk That is exactly the kind of response I am looking for.

The scan is blown out of proportions where it has become fuzzy. Can we have a better reduced and better resolution version? What I can see, it says Հանրահավաք Նուիրահավաք Հայկական Բանակի համար. Fund raising convocation for the Armenian Army in G -Bolis 1920, Of all the places stambol? Army? Which? Of course, in those days there was no TV or “telethon/tele-marathon”.

ՀԱՄԱՍՏԵՂՔ** Constellations ** I chose this heading to avoid the ten mile long the Hanragitaran heading of Համաստեղությունների ցուցակ under the monograph Աստղային Երկինք We also notice that the Armenian ՀԱՄ -ԱՍՏԵՂ is a direct translation of CON-STELLA/Together Stars. I chose to air this under the category of Mythology because, as you can see some of it is science of Astronomy and some the pseudo-science of Astrology. Neither it is about this. To see his biography go here; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=15007 Now let us see who knows the Armenian names of the following . To follow. Click on your favorite to see the pictures.. Like Orion=Հայկ/Hayk and Hercules =Վահագն/Vahagn. To not overlook ARA. http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/constellation_list.html Alphabetical listing of constellations Not in the Armenian Ayb Ben Gim Andromeda Անդրոմեդա Antlia Պոմպ Apus Դրախտային թռչուն Aquarius Ջրհոս Aquila Արծիւ Ara Զոհասեղան Aries Խոյ Auriga Կառավար Boötes Եզնարած Caelum Դանակ Camelopardalis Ընձուղտ Cancer Խեզգետին Canes Venatici Որսկան շներ Canis Major Մեծ Շուն Canis Minor Փոքր Շուն Capricornus Այծեղջիւր Carina Ողնուց Cassiopeia Կասիոպնա Centaurus Կենտաւրոս Cepheus Ցեֆիոս Cetus Կետ Chamaeleon Քամելիոն Circinus Կարկին Columba Աղաւնի Coma Berenices Վերոնիկայի Վարսեր Corona Austrina Հրաւային Թսգ Corona Borealis Հիւսիյային Թագ Corvus Ագրաւ Crater Թաս Crux Խաչ Cygnus Կարապ Delphinus Դելֆին Dorado Ոսկէ ձկնիկ Draco Վիշապ Equuleus Փոքր ձի Eridanus Երիդան Fornax Վառարան Gemini Երկւորեակներ Grus Կռունկ Hercules Վահագն Հերգուլէս Horologium Ժամացոյց Hydra Հիդրա Hydrus հարաւային Հիդրա Indus Հնդիկ Lacerta Մողէս Leo Առիւծ Leo Minor Փոքր Առիւծ Lepus Նապաստակ Libra Կղեռք Lupus Գայլ Lynx Լուսան Lyra Քնար Mensa Սեղանասար Microscopium Մանրադիտակ Monoceros Միաեղջիւր Musca Ճանճ Norma Անկիւնակապ Octans Օկտանտ Ophiuchus Orion Հայկ Օրիոն Pavo Սիրամարգ Pegasus Պեկաս Perseus Պերսեոս Phoenix Փիւնիկ Pictor Կենդանագիր Pisces Ձկներ Piscis Austrinus Հրաւային Ձուկ Puppis Նավախել Pyxis Կողմնացոձց Reticulum Ցանք Sagitta Աղեղ Sagittarius Աղեղնաւոր Scorpius Կարիճ Sculptor Քանդակագործ Scutum Վահան Serpens Օձ Sextans Սեքստան Taurus Ցուլ Telescopium Հեռադիտակ Triangulum Երանկիւն Triangulum Australe Հրաւային Երանկիւն Tucana Տուկան Ursa Major ՄեծԱրջ Ursa Minor Փոքր Արջ Vela Առագաստ Virgo Կոյս Volans Թռչող Ձուկ Vulpecula Աղուէս

ԽՈՅ Ram ԽՈՅԱԿ Capital The horoscopic constellation Aries that is known in the Armenian as ԽՈՅ/Khoy . Is it related to the Armenian word ԱՐԻ/ari=brave From the Armatakan. To mean non-castrated male sheep. Then it goes on to cite some ծակ գլոխ/holes in the head professors who say that it is from the furkish “koch/ghoyun” OH YEAH!!! Then why did Agathangelos use the word? Where did he get it from a thousand years before the world had heard of those non-people? Is it perhaps in reverse, since those damn people did not know what a sheep was until they arrived in Armenia? And as to խոյակ /khoyak once again the Armatakan does not say much except that it means սիւնագլուխ , now we know why it is called column head=capital. Cap-capi/capo means head-գլուխ. Once again look here; There is no etymology of “kochar” that I can find, (is it because it is not an Armenian word?) but the associated word “քոչւոր/kochvor” to mean nomadծվաչկատուն/ խաշնարած is very common. Hanragitaran, Kochari Dance; The rest is technical about rhythm and so on. **It is accompanied by “zourna and dhol”. Where does it say “oud and dumbek”? If it is a male men dance, then what are these girls doing here? http://www.astrologyweekly.com/zodiac-pictures/constellation/aries20.jpg http://www.astrologyweekly.com/zodiac-pictures/constellation/aries20.jpg http://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/AKS/AKS014/999ZZ_EH0067D001_H.jpg ԽՈՅԱԿ Khoyak -Capital, Do you see why the capital, top of a column is called Khoyak-Ram? http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/Image/1566/200607/Thumb/1566-298141.jpg http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/Image/1566/200607/Thumb/1566-298141.jpg http://www.google.com/search?q=zvartnots+cathedral&hl=en&rlz=1R2RNTN_enUS376&biw=1056&bih=467&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hA0hTs17wsqBB5jZyL4L&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQsAQ Koch I saw this word here, note also that they use the word "yurt" several times; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=35264 http://hetq.am/arm/articles/2854/ Գյավասը ոչ թե գիշերանոցով, այլ առօրյա հագուստով պետք է գիշերի: Դեռ նախքան լուսաբացը` ժամը չորսին, մեծ բեռնակիր ավտոմեքենան պետք է գա, որ Գյավասենց «ողջ տունը» վերցնի ու տանի սար. հունիսյան վարար անձրեւների ավարտից անմիջապես հետո եզդիները թողնում են իրենց տունն ու գյուղը եւ «քոչ» գնում: Yes, in that other language “koch” , in fact “goecher” (sounds like the French “oe” a in “of=egg” ) means migrant/nomad. See how many surnames like “goecherian “you can find. Which brings us to kochar/ kochari/ kocharian. Just as “Koch” also means ram, yet both of those words are from that other language. This below is a loooong strtch and full of holes, just like some say that “Dolma” is furkish and “Tolma” is Urarto-Armenian. How far can we stretch before it breaks and we become the laughing stock of the world. And that the dance “kochari” is based on the word “Koch” to mean ram/khoy , and that it means “koch-ari= brave as a ram”. Streeeeetch, and streeeetch more , se if anybody believes us. Don’y go by me. I still believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. Kochari http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%94%D5%B8%D5%B9%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%AB

ԶՈՒԱՐԹՆՈՑ ZVARTNOTS It means HOUSE of ANGELS. Why is Zvartnots, one of the most fabled, sacred historical land mark not being re-erected? At my last visit the fragments were scattered all over in an helter-skelter manner. One lame excuse I have heard is that the architects have not yet figured how to reconstruct the three tiered monument. OH YEAH! Where are Trdat** and Sinan? Some say the latter was Armenian. Which Armenian landmark and cathedral did he design? The present trend is the easier and cheaper alternative of piling one primitively ugly stone on top of other and calling it a cathedral or monastery. Observe the ornate masonry and artistry at the ruins of Zvartnots below. Or is it because Zvartnots may overshadow the neighboring Ejmiatsin? Honestly, I was so surprised and disappointed to see how small Ejmiatsin Cathedral is. It sure is not a Notre Dame. or St. Sophia. ** http://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D5%8F%D6%80%D5%A4%D5%A1%D5%BF_%D5%B3%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%BF%D5%A1%D6%80%D5%A1%D5%BA%D5%A5%D5%BF http://www.yerevanrent.am/Monuments/pic/ejmiatsin.jpg http://www.all-free-photos.com/images/normandie/PI18272-hr.jpg It is rumored that this was designed by the Armenian architects Trdat and redesigned by Sinan. http://www.lrfdecor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Hagia-Sophia.jpg Gagik Zvartnots http://www.virtualani.org/marr/marr_fig91.jpg http://www.virtualani.org/marr/marr_fig91.jpg http://www.virtualani.org/marr/marr_fig84.jpg http://www.virtualani.org/marr/marr_fig84.jpg http://www.virtualani.org/marr/1905excavation.htm Zvartnots http://caucasus-pictures.blogspot.com/2009/03/blog-post.html https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tML7p6nZg-w/Sb0ux0jzzhI/AAAAAAAABss/MxgzWGpakPY/s800/_DSC0619.jpg http://armenianstudies.csufresno.edu/iaa_architecture/images/zvartnots_01_large.jpg http://www.google.com/search?q=zvartnots+cathedral&hl=en&rlz=1R2RNTN_enUS376&biw=1056&bih=467&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=hA0hTs17wsqBB5jZyL4L&sqi=2&ved=0CCwQsAQ http://cache.virtualtourist.com/3473371-Things_To_Do-Ejmiatsin.jpg http://cache.virtualtourist.com/3473371-Things_To_Do-Ejmiatsin.jpg ԶՈՒԱՐԹ sometimes written as ԶՎԱՐԹ. On the surface to mean “ուրախ/happy, glad, խնդումերես/smiley face, angel” comes to us from the Assyrian.. When we say ուրախ զուարթourakh zvart we may refer to “happy awakening”. Pay special attention to “արթ/arth” ending. Does it have to do with արթնանել, զարթնել, զարթոնք, awakening? Referring to angels who are forever awake? BTW. When it is spelled as ԶՈՒԱՐԹ in in classical Armenian it is meant cto be read as “զ-ու- արթz-warth/zwarth” not “զվարթzvarth”.When did “զուա/zwa” become “zva”” Don’t tell me , it happened after we met those damn people who don’t have the sound of W. We do? Yeah!!! We did. Only if we stop speaking Perso-Russo-furkish. NWhat do you think the letter Ւ/ U/Hyun is? --- There may be a need to form a society dedicated to the reconstruction of Zvartnots, preferably in the Diaspora, to lobby, finance and promote, including non-Armenian architectural archeologists to guarantee that the funds will not be wasted to use inferior materials and techniques and pocket the spoils. Where is Steve Sims aka BTC-bellthecat of Virtual Ani?

Finally something to “sink one’s teeth in”. See also these. My intention was to post this article here, but for a mysterious reason I could not. Aecheology; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=13562 Toli; http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=33356&st=0&p=280059&hl=toli&fromsearch=1entry280059 http://hyeforum.com/index.php?showtopic=32417&st=0&p=278344&hl=toli&fromsearch=1entry278344 ------- http://www.armenianow.com/features/31107/armenia_tolma_traditional_dish http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/dolma-festival-armeina.jpg http://www.armenianow.com/sites/default/files/img/imagecache/600x400/dolma-festival-armeina.jpg Features | 15.07.11 | 11:02 Source URL: http://www.armenianow.com/features/31107/armenia_tolma_traditional_dish

It may be the worst kept scret that asszerbokhjan is a major conduit of illicit drugs. And now they are sampling the merchandise. http://storage.koinup.com/090303x124542/124542-6.jpg

Kochari. Many more. See the sidebar. Please, NO oud and dumbek!! Zurna and Dhol, Tar and Kamancha!! Aragats; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UBcu9xBoyY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKga6ouDwI&feature=related

Presidential Dance; Sounds like Sayat Nova, I can't make out the words. Is it Armenian?