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"Gamkrelidze and Ivanov's hypothesis for placing the PIE homeland in the general region of Transcaucasia and eastern Turkey received further linguistic confirmation in a study at my home base-the University of Pennsylvania by Donald Ringe, Ann Taylor, and Tandy Warrow." Source:Ancient Wine: The Search for the Origins of Viniculture - Page 33 by Patrick Edward McGovern

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Author of the word `genocide' - which referred not only to the Jewish Holocaust but also the the Armenian Genocide, when he came up with the concept following the Second World War. `In fact, when Mr. Lemkin coined the term genocide the Armenian events were one of the two archetypes he used in his work'. Mr. Lemkin was Jewish himself. The fate of the Anatolian Armenians during World War I, and especially the inability of the victorious Allies to prosecute effectively the leading Young Turks, deeply shocked the young Lemkin. In the wake of this experience he concluded that an international law against the wholesale extermination of ethnic and religious groups had to be created. In order to achieve this goal, Lemkin was willing to limit state sovereignty, which most legal philosophers and practitioners of international law rejected: “But sovereignty of states implies conducting an independent foreign and internal policy, building of schools, construction of roads, in brief, all types of activity directed towards the welfare of people. Sovereignty cannot be conceived as the right to kill millions of innocent people.” As Lemkin stated in his unpublished autobiography, the destruction of the Ottoman Armenians had a lasting impact on him and reinforced his interest in mass violence. Until his death he was working on a broad study of genocides in the history of humankind. Although his manuscripts on the Armenian genocide and on the Holocaust have been touched upon in the last years, the real signifi- cance of his unpublished works has been neglected. "For example, as we speak about the Armenian Genocide of 1915, not everyone realizes that “genocide” is a word that was not coined until 1943 by Raphael Lemkin, a Polish-Jewish jurist. Turkish propagandists know this well. They point out that what happened to the Armenians could be a massacre or a tragedy, but not genocide, simply because the term genocide did not exist back in 1915. This argument is as ridiculous as saying that Cain could not have murdered Abel because the word murder was not yet invented at that time! Mr. Lemkin had repeatedly mentioned in his writings that as a young man he was so troubled by the Armenian mass murders and the then on-going Holocaust that he coined the word genocide and worked tirelessly until the United Nations adopted the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, on Dec. 9, 1948. " (From: Lemkin Discusses Armenian Genocide In Newly-Found 1949 CBS Interview, Harut Sassounian) http://www.huliq.com/38675/raphael-lemkin-...e-word-genocide

They were talking about the resolution on CNN and FOX news

The American government has continuously refused to recognize one of the first Genocides because of political motivations. The Turkish PM Erdogan has warned Bush that the Armenian Genocide resolution would harm ties. A resolution that should have been recognized years ago, even if Turkey is a ally, a well-known documented fact should be recognized and taught widely in American schools and around the world, because it can also shed some light on modern genocides educate more people and the Armenian Genocide influenced Hitler to go ahead with the Holocaust. Hitlers famous speech: "I have issued the command -- and I’ll have anybody who utters but one word of criticism executed by a firing squad -- that our war aim does not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formation in readiness -- for the present only in the East -- with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space [Lebensraum] which we need. Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?" (Source: Lochner, Louis P.What About Germany? Dodd, Mead & Company, 1942 pp. 11-12.) Some backround information on the word 'Genocide': The term “genocide” was coined in 1944 by Raphael Lemkin, a Jew born in Poland, who as a law student in his native country was struck by a paradox on reading about the trial of Talaat *****’s killer in Berlin. “It is a crime for Tehlirian to kill a man, but it is not a crime for his oppressor to kill more than a million men?” Lemkin is said to have asked at the time. Although the word itself did not exist in 1915, most qualified historians today agree that the events of 1915–20 constituted genocide. In 2003, the International Center for Transitional Justice, a non-governmental human rights organization headquartered in New York, commissioned a legal opinion that concluded that the killing of Armenians did fit the accepted legal definition of the term. (Source: Turks, Armenians, and the "G-Word" - Belinda Cooper and Taner Akcam) http://www.huliq.com/37100/america-should-...menian-genocide Note: HyeFedayis I moved your topic from History forum and made it a post here, please before posting a new topic look for existing ones if there is one, use them instead of creating new ones. Thanks Arpa for bringing it out to our attention. Yervant

The Shushi Massacres were the massacre of Armenian inhabitants in Azerbaijan in 1920. Around 20,000 Armenians were killed and the city of Shushi was destroyed. The massacres had begin when Turkish and Azeri troops organized clashes against the Armenian population of the city. When the Karabakh capital of Shusha fell to Azerbaijani forces on March 1920, its entire Armenian population was killed or expelled. According to Chairman of the parliamentary Commission for Foreign Relations of Karabakh, Vahram Atanesyan: "The massacre of Armenians in Shushi in 1920 is nothing but a genocide, Chairman of the parliamentary Commission for Foreign Relations of Karabakh, Vahram Atanesyan, said at a press-conference today. He said the massacre was perpetrated by Azerbaijan with the support of the Turkish expeditionary corps. Atanesyan stressed that Karabakh has never been a part of Azerbaijan and was de facto independent at that moment, its status being recognized by Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan." http://www.huliq.com/36703/the-shushi-massacres

The excavation, led by Professor Alishian, uncovered 11 meters (36 feet) of earth before reaching the uppermost strata of the city’s development. A total of 12 levels or generations of the city’s history were uncovered before the excavation stopped. When you look at MokhraBlur, you are not looking at a hill, you are looking at what remains of more than 6000 years of continuous living on one spot. As each layer was uncovered, bones, pottery, jewelry and metallic artifacts were discovered, each older than the previous. Several levels were covered with blackened heaps of bones and broken objects, indicating a battle that destroyed the city. Like Troy, later generations rebuilt on top of the ruins of their ancestors. One of the most remarkable things about MokhraBlur is its isolated location and the feeling you get of discovering it for the first time. Shards and fragments of pottery and bones litter the site, and one can scoop up history with each handful. The locals say that whenever there is a good rain, they can still find intact perfume flasks and pottery loosened from the soil. As you walk up towards the gate, you will pass a small swamp ("jahidj" ׳ÑÇ×), fed by spring water. This is what remains of the marshland that spread out in all directions around MokhraBlur 6000 years ago. The marshland formed an excellent natural protective barrier, as well as a reliable source of drinking water. The excavation site itself is the fortified center of the town. It served as the religious and military stronghold for the city. As in other cities of the era, townspeople lived outside the main walls. The entire city stretched to the edge of the village behind you, holding up to 10,000 inhabitants (which was a large city in those days). As you walk up the hill from the gate, look towards your left at the top of the hill, and you can see an outline of a cyclopic wall ("pahrisp" å³ñÇëå ) that encircled the central fortified citadel in the 4th-3rd millennia. The wall was made from foundations of blocks of stone averaging 1-2 tons each. These stones were drug to MokhraBlur from sources 10-20 kilometers away. There is some thought that the stones may actually be the middle level of an older wall. Since excavation stopped before they could complete uncovering layers, the actual age of the city is possible another 1000 years older. If so, these stones were either drug on sleds from unheard of distances at that time, or--using a relic the excavators found at the lower levels of the dig as a sign--they were among the first to use the wheel. Unfired mud brick was used to complete the walls above the stone foundations, which accounts for the current mound shape of the site. At the top of the mound you will arrive on a large flat area with a series of holes in it. These are the actual digs. The first pit on your right is shallow. You can see fired brick ("Aghius" ³ÕÇáõë) forming the top of an interior wall in a building constructed around 3500 bce. The rooms uncovered at MokhraBlur were not large or high. Skeletons uncovered in the area show that the average height of inhabitants was 4 ½ feet (1.35 m). All about you are fragments of pottery, in different colors. The black unglazed pottery is the first of its kind discovered in the ancient world. It and red pottery come from the earliest layers uncovered, ca. 4000 bce. Geometric patterns on some fragments depict wheat shafts, snakes and spiral designs, and come from a later period, late 4th millennium bce. The spirals are unique in that they are joined together in the center into a "V" shape, depicting a ram head. Before the discovery of the observatory at Metsamor, they were understand to be a symbol of a god, but are now also believed to be depictions of Aries the ram, one of the constellations of our galaxy. The glazed black pottery is 3rd millennium bce, but shows a sophisticated glazing process predating any other found in Asia Minor. And you hold these in your hands! Put them back now, since they cannot leave the site. [...] Source: http://www.tacentral.com/tourarmenia/history_thecradle.html Earliest Use of Water Dams at Mokhrablur? Opinions on negative and positive effect of dams on the environment. In order to balance the discrepancy between the natural water resources and the requirements for water (for the population, irrigations, industry), water dams had been built already in the history, created by valley dams (the El Kafara dam in Egypt of the year 2,600 B.C., the Armenian dam Mokhrablur from the 3rd-4th millennium B.C.). In Slovakia, in the vicinity of Banska Stiavnica, 54 dams and reservoirs have been built since the year 1510 A.D. [...] Source: http://www.aquamedia.at/templates/index.cfm/id/2331 Mokhrablur: Earliest known example of monumental stone? About four km S of Echmiatsin, about 150 m W of the main S road to Margara just before a railroad embankment, is a low hill behind a little hamlet, surrounded by an iron fence (gaps in NE side). This is the Chalcolithic (late 4th Mill. BC) through Hellenistic (4th-1st c. BC) site of Mokhrablur (“Ash Hill”). There are 8 meters of deposits representing 12 distinct habitation layers. Very little is visible, beyond one huge stone block and a wide range of pottery samples. The Soviet Armenian Encyclopedia makes the daring claim that Mokhrablur’s central temple, which they say dates to the 10th c. but actually seems to be of the 1st half of the 3rd millennium BC, was the earliest known example of monumental stone architecture in the Soviet Union Source: http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/data/Armenie-Armeni...%20Guide%20.htm

When you search Armenian Genocide in google.com there are denialist pages at least two can we remove those racist propaganda sites?

Go around town and ask people you won't go anywhere online. Also sounds unusual.

Also there is no real point of debating them, they will always deny. It's a waste of time, seriously make your time more useful than discussing things with ignorant people. They won't believe anything you say, they only believe in what they hear from those absurd racist Armenian Genocide websites. They are Genocide deniers.

According to wikipedia, "Over five hundred thousand Armenians fought for the Soviet army, and half of them fell in battles" and the reference said ' 83,700 according to Krivosheev' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_World_War_II

From 87 to 85, Tigran's Army victoriously entered Armenian Mesopotamia [Northern Mesopotamia], the province of Korduk', Migdonia and Adiabenē, which were previously under the control of the Parthians. The kingdoms of Osroyenē and Atrpatakan [Atropatene] also pledged their loyalty and support to Tigran the Great. In 85, the Parthians officially recognized him as the supreme ruler of the East. Tigran took the haled title of King of Kings, from the Parthian monarch, and honorably held it to the end of his life. In 83, after a bloody strife for the throne of Syria, governed by the Seleucids, the Syrians decided to choose Tigran as the protector of their kingdom and offered him the crown of Syria. Tigran was crowned the same year with the support of the local aristocracy. Tigran conducted an "open" policy of free trade within the Hellenistic metropolitan polis'[cities] of the vast Armenian Empire, granting autonomy to those important cities, who could mint their own currency and were judged according to the local laws and customs. The Syrian mints also issued coins depicting the Emperor, King of Kings Tigran the Great. According to Justin, Tigran reigned for eighteen years on the Syrian throne. During this period, the Armenian forces advanced and conquered the kingdoms of Commagene [mostly Armenian in its demographic composition] and Cilicia [also containing a sizable Armenian community]. Once in Syria, Tigran was confronted with another foe, Queen Alexandra, ruler of Palestine. Josephus noted "She [Queen Alexandra] was a sagacious woman…she increased the army the one half, and procured a great body of foreign troops, till her own nation became not only very powerful at home, but terrible also to foreign potentates." [Wars, I.v.3; Antiq. XIII.xvi.4]. The Armenian troops quickly advanced and took the city of Acre [Ptolemais] in Phoenicia. Tigran's Army successfully besieged the onetime seat of the Seleucid capital -- Seleucia-on-Tigris. Josephus in his Antiquities wrote that Queen Alexandra "presented Tigranes, with many valuable gifts, and also ambassadors…" The Queen pledged her loyalty by offering all of Phoenicia to the King of Kings. After the successive campaigns on the eastern sea shore of the Mediterranean Sea, and conquests in Syria, Phoenicia and Palestine, the Armenian warriors gained a reputation and respect not only throughout the Near East, but the Roman domain as well. The famous Greek historian Strabo wrote: "They fight on foot and on horseback, both in light and heavy armor. The horses are also protected with armor. They use javelins and bows and wear breastplates, shields, and coverings'; [XI.xiv.12] And..."They have a passion for riding and take good care of their horses..." While Plutarch wrote that the Armenian archers could kill from 200 meters with their deadly accurate arrows. The Romans admired and respected the bravery and the warrior spirit of the Armenian Cavalry -- the hardcore of Tigran's Army. The Roman historian Sallustius Crispus wrote that the Armenian [Ayrudzi - lit. horsemen] Cavalry was "remarkable by the beauty of their horses and armor" Horses in Armenia, since ancient times were considered as the most important part and pride of the warrior. It was the horse and the wagons [as well as the iron weaponry], that made possible the vast migrations of Indo-European peoples from Armenia -- Aratta. http://armenianempire.com/

The Five Fingers your from there right? good music. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea...endID=106586182

A Turkish singer has caused outrage after releasing a song which many people believe justifies the murder of an ethnic Armenian journalist in January. Hrant Dink was shot dead outside his newspaper's office in Istanbul. 'Don't Make Plans' by Ismail Turut has become one of the most requested songs one Turkish DJ's radio show after a clip set to the tune received thousands of hits on the popular video-sharing website YouTube. The clip showed pictures of Dink's body and the suspected killer, while the lyrics of the song include the line; "If someone betrays his own country, he'll be taken care of immediately." Dink had been criticised for describing the mass killings of Armenians during the rule of the Ottoman Empire as "genocide" in defiance of the official Turkish line. At the time of his murder, Dink was being prosecuted penal code article which that bans insulting the Turkish identity. The European Union, which Turkey is hoping to join, has asked Ankara to remove such restrictions on freedom of expression. 'Harmless' song Turut - who describes himself as a Muslim and a nationalist - has said he does not approve of Dink's killing. He also said he had nothing to do with the YouTube clip and insisted that his song is harmless. "I feel like a victim in my homeland for defending some of our values" Ismail Turut, singer Turut was speaking to the Associated Press news agency the day after he and Arif Ozan, the writer of the song, had been called to explain the meaning of their work to a prosecutor. "Even if I have 40 heads and they chop off all of them, I will not apologise for even a letter [of the song]," Turut said. "Who has been subject to the slightest of harm because of my song?" Up to 1.5 million ethnic Armenians were killed between 1915 and 1917. Armenians say the deaths were part of a co-ordinated programme of genocide but Turkey insists the numbers are inflated and that the killings occurred during a time of civil unrest. Riza Dalkilic, head of Istanbul branch of the Human Rights Association, has filed a complaint against the song. "He must apologise," she said. Turut argues that if there really is freedom of expression in Turkey, his video should be tolerated. "I feel like a victim in my homeland for defending some of our values" he said. "Don't I have the right to freedom of expression?" http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4DC...0B0B88BE074.htm

I found this interesting anyone else? I know there is more out there, they just need to be more courageous and be more educated on the issue. "HI , MY NAME IS SERKAN I AM FROM TURKEY. FIRST MY ENGLISH IS NOT GOOD SORRY ABOUT IT. WHEN I WAS IN TURKEY I NEVER HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT GENOCIDE THE ONLYTHING I KNOW ABOUT ARMENIANS IS WHAT MY GRAND GRAND FATHER TOLD ME. HE TOLD ME OUR VILLAGE WAS AN ARMENIAN VILLAGE , ONE ODAY THE TURKISH ARMAY CAME AND KILLED THE ARMANIAN WE TRIED TO SAVE THEM HOWEVER ARMY TOLD US IF U SAVE THEM WE GONNA KILL YOU. WHEN I COME TO LOS ANGELES I READ SOME BOOKS AND WATCHED SOMEVIDEOS ABOUT GENOCIDE NOW I SUPPORT YOU ARMENIAN PEOPLE BECOUSE I AM FROM TUNCELI WHICH IS A CITY IN EAST OF TURKEY THEY DID THE SAME THING TO US IN 1938 BECAUSE WE DIDNT SUPPORT GOVERMENT'S POLICITS AND POLICY.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBY71QvB8xE THIS IS THE VIDEO ABOUT TUNCELI GENOCIDE I JUST WANTED TO WRITE YOU DONT THINK ALL THE TURKISH PEOPLE IS SAME ..."

Ah I can't read Armenian only speak and understand.

Goes to Turks. Also I am not attacking them it goes to the deniers.

Did you hear about the Hrant Dink song? where Turks praise the Dink murderer ? how many Turks loved it? so many. Armenians are not hateful spreading awareness of a Genocide is not hateful. But Turks always making stuff up is absurd, and especially your denial and that is why only Turks deny this, and that is why you have the turkish penal code to cover up stuff. Please go anywhere in the world see how many times they try to disrupt book readings about the Genocide, or steal and vandalize Armenian Genocide memorials etc. The only thing you guys come up with is "Armenians are terrorist!" you seen the protest in NY? where basically they were like idiots some American mentions terrorist you hear the crowd before that speechless, than the people scream "YA!!! ERMANIAN MURDERERS!" shows how pathetic and low life scums some people are going so far to deny a genocide, or the millions of millions Turkey pays American colleges to shut down anything they have to do with the Armenian Genocide. Taner Ackam a Turk who speaks about the Armenian Genocide. Or Orhan Pamuk who said "one million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it." Or Elif --afak who was accused of 'insulting Turkishness" for her works. Dude really you guys are patheic so many references about the Genocide. You can just admit it and move on like the Germans did. So do you know about the Hamidian, Adana massacres? that were before the Genocide? so all these people who talk about the Armenian Genocide are liars? "The first upsurge of Armenian nationalism starting in the 1880s had caused both the Ottoman and the Russian Empires to be increasingly suspicious of the loyalty of their Armenian subjects. Thus, in retaliation for an 1894 uprising in the old Armenian heartland of eastern Anatolia, the Ottoman government organized a series of massacres over the course of two years with, according to Armenian sources, hundreds of thousands of Armenian deaths the result." Source: Modern Hatreds, the Symbolic Politics of Ethnic War by Stuart J. Kaufman, page 51 Do some research look at the NY archives at least. "German soldiers sent to Turkey to reorganise the Ottoman army also witnessed these atrocities. Armin Wegner, an especially courageous German second lieutenant in the retinue of Field Marshal von der Goltz, took a series of photographs of dead and dying Armenian women and children. Other German officers regarded the genocide with more sinister interest. Some of these men, as Armenian scholar Vahakn Dadrian discovered, turn up 26 years later as more senior officers conducting the mass killing of Jews in German-occupied Russia." Source: Robert Fisk: The forgotten holocaust, Published: 28 August 2007 Also this: The term “genocide” was coined in 1944 by Raphael Lemkin, a Jew born in Poland, who as a law student in his native country was struck by a paradox on reading about the trial of Talaat *****’s killer in Berlin.“It is a crime for Tehlirian to kill a man, but it is not a crime for his oppressor to kill more than a million men?” Lemkin is said to have asked at the time. Although the word itself did not exist in 1915, most qualified histo- rians today agree that the events of 1915–20 constituted genocide. In 2003, the Interna- tional Center for Transitional Justice, a non- governmental human rights organization headquartered in New York, commissioned a legal opinion that concluded that the killing of Armenians did fit the accepted le- gal definition of the term.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, that were originally compiled on the orders of King Alfred the Great, approximately A.D. 890, and subsequently maintained and added to by generations of anonymous scribes until the middle of the 12th Century starts with this sentence: �The island Britain is 800 miles long, and 200 miles broad, and there are in the island five nations; English, Welsh (or British), Scottish, Pictish, and Latin. The first inhabitants were the Britons, who came from ARMENIA, and first peopled Britain southward�. For long time researchers of the Chronicle claimed that name Armenia was inadvertently written by the Saxon compiler of the "Chronicle" instead of Armorica, which is an ancient name of Gaul. This is quite implausible explanation due to several reasons: we are talking about people, who started compilation of the chronicles in the 9th century; there is no internet, television or radio, geographical knowledge is rather limited. It's hard to believe that the person by mistake wrote Armenia instead of Armorica, which was much common and more familiar name, than the name of the country located 2000 miles (3200 kilometers) away from England. For the past centuries, it was believed that inhabitants of the British Isles descended from different people: the English are descended from the Angles and the Saxons, who supposedly took over southern England after the Romans decamped. The Scots, Welsh, and Irish have been thought to be the successors of the indigenous Celts. Stephen Oppenheimer, a medical geneticist at the University of Oxford, published a new book �The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story�. He claims that the historians are wrong in almost every aspect. In Dr. Oppenheimer�s restoration of events based on Y-chromosome and mtDNA analysis, three-quarters of the ancestors of the modern british arrived on what became the British Isles between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago, at the end of the last ice age, when Britain was still attached to the mainland of Europe. They shared a genetic heritage with the Basques and spoke a language related to Basque language. The British Isles were unpopulated then, the new arrivals in the British Isles found an empty territory. Thus both Britain and Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people that have remained in the majority, with only minor additions from later invaders like Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans. But these incursions had little effect on the basic Basque genetic heritage. That heritage is strongest in Ireland, where only 12 percent of the population descends from migrants who came after the Basques. In southern and eastern England, nearer the Continent, the figure is about one third. The Anglo � Saxons and the Celts were small immigrant groups. �Neither group had much more impact on the British Isles gene pool than the Vikings, the Normans or, indeed, immigrants of the past 50 years,� he writes. After the Basques, no single migrant wave contributed more than about five percent of today�s genetic �mix. So the question comes where Basques originated from? The Basques are unique ethnic group, that inhabit parts of northwestern Spain and southwestern France. There have been several hypothesis regarding origin of those people. But lets refer to the founders of Basque national historiography Esteban de Garibay, Andres de Posa and Baltasar de Echave. All of them considered Armenia as homeland of basques. Esteban de Garibay thought that Iberia was populated by descendants of Tubal, Noah's grandson, who went to Iberia thirty-five years after the Flood subsided. Garibay observed that Basque place-names bore a resemblance to those in ARMENIA. Baltasar de Echave writes: �the first settlers arrived to Iberia after the Universal deluge with the children of Noah from �ours loved mother country ARMENIA�. Interestingly legendary ancestor of the Basques had a name Aitor, which in Armenian means Grandson of Armenian. The Armenian origin of Basques was strongly supported by several prominent researchers, such as Gaspar Eskolano, Edward Spencer Johnson, Joseph Karst, Bernardo Estornes Lasa, Nikolay Marr. In conclusion, there was a genetic study done in different regions of Armenia, that detected that the characteristic genetic code prevalent in Welsh, Basques and Irish, called the Atlantic Modal Haplotype, is also present in Armenian population of Syunik and Karabakh. These are two Armenian provinces predominantly isolated in the mountains, which precluded genetic admixture with neighboring ethnic groups and nations. Read more about that study here. Going back to the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, may be that anonymous writer have been right and Britons in fact originated either directly from Armenia or indirectly trough Basque Country.

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Refik Halit Karay Talat ***** Destroying documents is an essential part of government culture. Perhaps, people from my generation can find or unearth some documents on their ancestors and therefore demonstrate that we have people other than the ones who pride themselves for destroying documents. TANER AKÇAM The article titled "Countless Archives Destroyed" by Ayshe Hur reminded me destruction of Armenian Genocide related documents. Systematic destruction of documents appears to be a significant part of our culture. The Sabah daily, in its November 7, 1918 issue states that documents related to Armenian Genocide, sought after by the government, could not be found, and it furthers claims that Talat ***** and his entourage, before they left the government, quite possibly destroyed the orders related to Armenian genocide in entirety. The news article reflects the truth. Similarly, on May 1919, during proceedings of the Court Martial Hearings of the Union and Progress Party (CUP), prosecutors declare that documents belonging to both Special Organization and to the Central Committee of the Committee for Union and Progress were stolen. The military prosecutor furthermore informs the hearing that Police Chief of the period, Aziz Bey, testified that Talat *****, before his resignation, took several files with him from his office and never returned them (Official Gazette 3540). Likewise, several memoirs of the era tell that, before he escaped to overseas, Talat ***** went to a friend’s seaside estate by Arnavutkoy with a full suitcase of documents and he burned all these documents in a fireplace at the basement of the estate (Enver ***** by Shevket Sureyya Aydemir. Volume 3, Page 468). Mithad Shukru, K. Talat and Ziya Gokalp, during the main prosecution of CUP leaders at various court sessions (most specifically at second and fifth sessions), testified that Central Committee of CUP documents were taken by Dr. Nazim (Official Gazette 3540, 3543, 3554). It was not only CUP officials who took documents personally, several German Officers also stole documents. Hans F.L. Von Seeckt, who during the war was the Ottoman Chief of Staff, took a significant portion of the Ottoman War Ministry documents with him upon his return to Germany. The chief of Cabinet, Izzet *****, protested the situation and demanded the return of the documents. Berlin promised to return of the documents but never fulfiled the promise. (AA Turkei, 158/21. A48179, The embassador’s telegram dated November 11, 1918). Read, destroy There is a significant point here that the Sabah newspaper could not be aware of it. For some documents, as they were sent to the provinces, concurrent orders were issued to burn or destroy…There happens to be an encrypted telegram left in the Ottoman Archives dated July 22, 1915 sent by the General Directorate of Police and signed by Talat *****. The telegram tells how to deal with the converts in the caravans of exiles and further instructs that "after the reading of the related personnel to take the telegram out of post office and destroy" (Court Martial Proceedings, encrypted 54,100). In our possession there are other documents proving that orders were sent to the provinces to burn all the documents they have. For example, in the above mentioned accusation, it is told that the regional governor of Der Zor, Ali Suat was ordered to destroy the telegram after reading it. Similarly, in another court case, at the third session of Yozgat Court Martials, the presiding judge reads the testimony of Provincial Governor Kemal, taken in front of Mazhar Investigative Commission. In his testimony, Kemal says that he had received telegrams to be burned after his read (Ikdam, February 11, 1919) On the July 3rd, 1919 session of the court case on the Ottoman Cabinet, former Minister of Telecommunication, Huseyin Hasim, testifies that documents of the War Department were burned. Furthermore, on the 5th session of the court, he admits that orders to burn were sent to Catalca (Official Gazette 3571 and 3573). For this reason alone, a separate court case is opened for the former deputy director of Catalca Post Office Osman Nuri Efendi. The court starts on August 4, 1919. The accusation is burning documents. In his defense statement, the accuser claims to burn documents on orders. He elaborates, " My superiors, within their legitimate authority, ordered me to burn documents from a certain date to another date, therefore I burned them." The outcome of this court case is not clear (See Alemdar Newspaper, August 5 and 6, 1919). Memoirs of Refik Halid The burning of the documents continued after the war was lost. On Oct. 14, 1918 Izzet ***** forms a new cabinet, where he also assumes the responsibility of War Ministry. He sends an immediate order to the Special Organization’s Head Administrator to immediately stop all activities and destroy archives (quoted by Bilge Criss based on Husamettin Erturk – Istanbul Under Allied Rule, page 147). Ahmet Esat (Esat Uras by his better known name) declares to the British officials that a meeting had been held on the destruction of Armenians and he has in his possession the handwritten minutes of it, he later tries to sell these minutes. He gets arrested and in his testimony he claims, " Right before the armistice, the government officials went to archives daily every night and destroyed most of the documents." (Foreign Office Reports 371/4172/31307, Heathcotee Smith’s 4.2.1919 dated report). Refik Halid Karay, other than being an influential literary figure and newsman, was the general administrator of the Postal and Telegraphic Services during the armistice. He published his memoirs about this era under the name of "Minelbab Ilelmihrab/Memoirs of Armistice Era." While his memoirs were being published in a magazine named "Aydede", Sadik Durakan, who for many years served in the Post Office, wrote him a letter. Karay includes the letter in his book. Following is a short section from this letter: " I wish to tell you an incident I witnessed during the armistice. As you know, after the Mondros Armistice, the Allied forces started to enter our country from various directions and started to occupy the country piece by piece. During the occupation, in order to prevent documentation in the central post offices to fall into enemy hands, Mehmed Emin Bey sent a telegram to all Central Post Offices and asked them to destroy all official documentation, telegrams and their duplicates in totality (R.H Karay, Minelbab Ilelmihrab, pages 271-2). Some of these telegrams are captured by the British before they reach regional offices. For example, in June 1919 a telegram from Interior Ministry to the Governor of Antep, which is intercepted by the British, orders all telegrams between 1914 and 1918 to be destroyed. The Foreign Ministry sends an official protestation letter to the British Occupational Forces, but it admits such an order was given (FO371/4174/102 551; files 108-111). The destruction of documents was not solely performed by the government officials. Individuals also have the culture of destroying documents remained in their possession. One of the defendants of the 1926 Ankara National Liberation Court , which was assembled to judge the Izmir assassination attempt, Kor (Blind) Ali Ihsan Bey, a member of Istanbul’s CUP General Center, admits burning all the documents in his possession (1926 Ankara National Liberation Court proceedings). People, who burned documents in their possession, did not hesitate to tell their actions in their memoirs during the following years. I would like to cite two examples. An important CUP leader, Ali Munif Bey, was a provincial district head and governor who also served in the CUP cabinet as the Ministry of Public Works. Ali Munif was arrested for his involvement in the Adana massacres and later exiled to Malatya. He says the following for the documents that gave up his guilt: "In reality even though I had destroyed more important documentation, I had left this in one of the pockets of my suitcase. The document that I had forgotten to destroy was being used to incriminate me (Memoirs of Ali Munif Bey by Taha Toros, pages 96-7). Administration Culture The second name is Ahmet Rifat Calika. Calika’s memoirs, who also served as Attorney general during the National Liberation War, was published by his elder son, Hursit Calika. Hursit Calika mentioned of his father’s most important characteristics, "The single thing that distinguishes him from the intellectuals of the time is such that he took daily notes and later evaluated everything he witnessed. He also made sure that all documents that passed his hands were preserved for the future generations. Unfortunately, he was forced to destroy or burn most of these documents time to time. Reasons for this destruction will be explained in his next book’s introduction." The reasons mentioned are very simple. Rifay Bey too was informed in advance that Istanbul Court Martial is looking for him. In addition, he was placed under special protection by the prosecutor, the judge and the gendarmerie regiment commander who would eventually arrest him. In his memoirs Rifat Bey says the following, "One day, the prosecutor informed me of an encrypted letter received by the City Government. The letter told of a mixed committee being formed in the city of Kayseri, charged with investigations of forced exiles of Armenians. The letter further states that all suspected individuals will be investigated and prosecuted, furthermore, they were going to search the houses. We came home with my classmates, I burned all my memoirs and documents. Whatever I had saved, I was forced to destroy in February of 1934." (Memoirs of Ahmet Rifat Calika, pages 7, 15-6). The search of Kazim Karabekir’s Erenkoy Estate was the reason for his second destruction of documents. As you can see, destroying documents is an important part of the Administration Culture. Therefore, having the comfort and security that somebody had destroyed all documents, it becomes much easier to declare "Nothing happened to Armenians, all the documents are registered and are in place." What shall I say, perhaps someone from my generation may find documents from his parents and makes them public so along with people who pride themselves for destroying we can be proud of people who pursue the truth.

Hi Everyone, We're doing a big push to get calls and messages in to Pelosi in the next couple of days. For months, the Armenian Genocide Resolution has been awaiting a vote in the the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep.Tom Lantos. With 226 co-sponsors and solid support of the Foreign Affairs committee members, HR 106 has the best chance in years to pass. But the Turkish government and its allies have pressured Rep. Lantos and Rep. Pelosi heavily to let the resolution die without a vote. I've pasted the info. below. 1. Go to http://speaker.gov/contact/ 2. Type in your name, email address, zip code, and comments 3. Click "Submit" 4. Email your friends asking them to do the same 5. Message me to let me know you have done this Your comments don't need to be more than 2-3 sentences long. You're welcome to elaborate, but be sure to include that you are writing in support of H.Res.106, AND that you would like her to schedule a floor vote in the House on H.Res.106. And here's the instructions about calling Pelosi and Lantos' offices: BAY AREA ARMENIAN-AMERICANS, WE MUST ACT NOW! CALL PELOSI & LANTOS TODAY! Here in the Bay Area, Armenian-Americans have a unique opportunity and responsibility to tell our two representatives, Rep. Pelosi and Rep. Lantos, who hold the key to passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution (HR106), that it's time for them schedule votes on the resolution. For months, the Armenian Genocide Resolution has been awaiting a vote in the the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, chaired by Rep.Tom Lantos. With 226 co-sponsors and solid support of the Foreign Affairs committee members, HR 106 has the best chance in years to pass. But the Turkish government and its allies have pressured Rep. Lantos and Rep. Pelosi heavily to let the resolution die without a vote. Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, carries the most power in deciding whether and when resolutions pass through committees, and she sets the agenda for resolutions to be voted on by the full House. We must make our voice loud and clear to her. Please call Rep. Pelosi and Rep. Lantos today in their Washington DC offices (This is especially effective if you are a constituent of one these representatives, but all calls are encouraged) Lantos: (202) 225-3531 Pelosi: (202) 225-0100 You will probably speak to a staff person. Please try to make the following points: * Give your name; if you live in their district, tell them you are a constituent * Express your thanks for their past support of the Armenian Genocide Resolution * Remind them that the resolution has been awaiting a vote for months * Urge Rep. Lantos / Rep. Pelosi to schedule a vote on the Armenian Genocide Resolution BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER Please take the time to make these simple calls, so we can have an influence in the decision-making of these Representatives. Thank You

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Armenian archaeologists have discovered the second pagan temple in Armenia after Garni. New Delhi, Sept 16 : Armenian archaeologists have discovered the second pagan temple in Armenia after Garni. The temple was found 5.5 metres underground not far from the modern town of Artashat, about 30 kilometres to the south-east of Yerevan. Experts say it is devoted to Mihr - the God of the Sun in Armenian mythology. The temple - the symbol of Sun-worship was built near Artashat which maintained its status the longest among the capitals of Armenia - from the 2nd century BC to the 5th century AD, said archaeologist Zhores Khachatryan. "By discovering the remains of the temple we found out that the temple was even more gorgeous and beautiful than Garni. That means we have found a big historical wealth that needs being kept by all means," said the 72-year-old Khachatryan, the coordinator of the archaeological expedition team. The expedition comprised of 15 workers of the Institute of Archaeology and Ethnography. The National Academy of Sciences of Armenia had begun the excavations of the territory of capital Artashat in the 1970s. Before that Soviet authorities prohibited large-scale excavations in territories bordering Turkey. Khachatryan said the findings revealed that Artshat occupied about 400 hectares of territory and had a population of about 150,000 in its heyday, and the fortification walls of the city stretched for more than 10,000 metres. According to armenianow.com, the town founded on 12 hills in the neighbourhood of Khor Virap built on the place of the temple devoted to the goddess of maternity and fertility Anahit. It used to be a big centre of commerce, and more than 1,000 types of the seals have been found at the site, the report said. "All the studies show Artashat was built in accord with a regular and a planned design project. However, unfortunately, we cannot research all the hills: the heart of Artashat was built on the marble ore that has been blown up for many times and has equalled that part [of the city] to ground," said Khachatryan. Khachatryan said the archaeological team has also managed to find the public bathhouse of Artshat with its seven rooms 75 square meters each. "There is a mosaic floor and a tiny brook, bases and pools with beautiful ornaments have been found. Also a toilet with sewage system with more than 2,000 years of history, something you can't find even in modern-day villages, was found," he said. "We knew from the very beginning there was a temple that was destroyed during the reign of King Tiridates in the 4th century, in times Christianity was spread. But we didn't know where exactly it was and what was its size," he added.

I basically wrote about the on going systematic campaign to eliminate Armenian history in the Caucasus since in Turkey they did this than Azerbaijan now Georgia. I told them to please appeal the destruction etc.