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MosJan, ur es gnum? Mi vrazi... _______ SAS

Garo, shnorhavor tsnundd... Togh Asttso shnorhn anpakas lini qezanists yev Aj@` pahapan: Galis es inchpes irarancum, U anc es kenum vorpes yeraz, Kyanq im, du dzri nerkayacum, Bayc inchqan tank es nstum vras... Hamo Sahian __________ SAS

Teryann uni ayspisi togher. Mshushi mijic,- tesil dyuthakan,- Bacvum e krkin Nairin trtum., vorn el pat&ar dardzav hetevyal bacatrutyan@: Juthak = Dyuthak = Dyuthanq + ak = dyuthanqi akunq: Juthaki nvagn iskapes hmayum-zmaylum-dyuthum e: Indz chhajoghvec gtnel "dyu" -> "j" kam "d"-> "j" hnchyunapoxutyun, bayc shat havanakan e, vor teghi e unecel aydpisi hnchyunapoxutyun, vorovhetev juthak artasanel aveli hesht e, qan te...dyuthak: ________ SAS [ December 25, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

MosJan, chgitem vor "naxarar Noyi" masin e xosq@ ( guce ...nahapet?) , bayc ays drvagner@ yes inqs em nkarahanel marzadashtum... Urish mi mets u shqegh hamerg kayacel e "Karen Demir&yan" marzahamalirum: Guce ayntegh e nman ban teghi unecel? _____ SAS [ December 25, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

Harut, ayn nvirvats er qristoneutyan @ndunman 1700 amyakin. Septemberi keserin er. _________ SAS [ December 24, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

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quote:Originally posted by Hmayk: O Goshhhh...what a lovely country...I've never been there yet...bad...really bad...I must visit my homeland....but don't know when and how... _____________________________________________ Hmayk jan, gna(ari) tes, vor hmayves-zmaylves-txres-uraxanas u heto... noric karotes: Ays nkarnerum 1700 amyakin nvirvats tonakatrutyan drvagner en Hanrapetakan marzadashtum: Xaghadashtum tarber yerazhshtakn-parayin xmber en` tvov 1700 hogi, isk dimac@` 17000 dprocakanneric kazmvats yergchaxumbn e... ____ SAS http://www.armenia.ru/discus/messages/314/826.jpg http://www.armenia.ru/discus/messages/314/827.jpg [ December 21, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

quote:Originally posted by Harut: yes karnei ksovorei, bayts akhr shat anslukh em. Harut, pzdik vaxt@d xo glxid chen zarge, ap jan, or s@luxd korcrel es?

*** PATGAM *** Nor luys tsagec ashxarhin. Ov ayd arev@ berec:-- Aha voskya mi arev` &aragumov ir hre` Aygabaci purpure Nzhuygneri vra hec` Nor ashxarhin u mardun Hghum e luys zvartun, Nor ashxarhin u mardun Ov berec luysn ays artun, O,um dzerqov varvec, um? Hrakarmir, hravars, Adamandya luys@ ays:- Kqats kyanqi beri tak, Xor gerutyan @nderqum, Imastutyan mi getak Himarutyan hamergum-- Qani tari, qani dar Vkayecir anherqum... Aperin ays xavartchin, Ur hayreniqn er mer hin,-- Chkar ardyoq get mi hord, Lurt` hoselov daric-dar` Mtutyan mej ayn hamar Ays aygabacn er krum, Hur aygabacn ays heru` Hnuc pahats ir jrum O,@ghdzakan ays herun... Kqats kyanqi beri tak` Vogi ankor, hur getak... Aha varvum e mer nor Haghtanaki luys@ borb. Lvanum e na hima Varvogh vogin mer anmah, Chqnagh arevn ayd ari, Varvats hrov ashxarhi... Chka urish arev el. Na e miayn, vor darer Anmar` piti areve... Luysov varvats sakayn ayd` Nzharneric hima menq Himarutyamb chtapenq Imastutyunn ayn arar.-- Mer ancyali xoramit Ejn ayn ardar u ramik` Meitsahan&ar u varar... 1933.V. 9 _________ SAS [ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

Guce JutAk = GutAk?... = guti, gtutyan akunq... Mite jutaki nvag@ mardkanc chi tramadrum gtasrtutyan? Arpa, kan orinakner G->J yev J->G hnchyunapoxutyunneri? Inchpes klini parskeren "hur"(boc, krak)`..."fere"? Karogh es "fereshteh" bari stugabanutyun@ tal? Kanxav shnorhakal em... _________________________ SAS

Harut, arajin cucakn aveli lriv er: Mi poqrik &shtum. Grigor Artsruni` "Mshak" terti xmbagir: Stepanos Nazaryan` "Hyusisapayl" terti xmbagir... _________ SAS [ December 14, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

Arpa( the?...Arpha ), yes hamozvats chem, vor "TH" hnchyun chkar hayerenum, yerb Mesrop Mashtoc@ steghtsec Hayoc Grer@: Isk inchu Mashtoc@ chsteghtsec ... "F" tar@? Qani vor hayerenum chkar hamapatasxan hnchyun@... ANXTIR bolor hayeren barer@, vortegh ka "F" tar@... POXARVATS barer en... Bnik haykakan voch mi ARMAT chka, vortegh lini "F" hnchyun@... Hayereni vra shat aveli mets azdecutyun e toghel parskeren@, qan te hunaren@( chmorananq, vor hayeren armatakan barei kesic avelin parskakan tsagum unen ), isk parskerenum kar yev ka MAQUR "F" hnchyun@: Nuyn hajoghutyamb Mashtoc@ karogh er steghtsel nayev "F" tar@, bayc charec... , vorovhetev @ntrats GITAKAN skzbunqi hamadzyn, amen mi hnchyun petq e unenar ir nish-tar@... Inchpes kareli er steghtsel tar, yerb chkar...hnchyun? Minchev "F" tari mtcnel@, "F" hnchyun@ "thargmavum" er kam "H" kam el "PH"... Mithe "miTHe" bar@ Mashtoci zhamanak hnchum er..."miTe" kam "miDe"?: Kaskatsum em... Inch verabervum e "vyun" hnchyunin, apa, havanabar, hayeren lezun ayn "korcrel" e... Astvats tar, vor miayn hnchyun korcrats lineinq... ______ SAS

Arpa, shat sramit bacatrutyun e, juxtak->jutak ancum@,yete ushadrutyn chdardznenq ayn bani vra, vor "juxTak" grvum e "T"-ov isk "juTHak" "TH"-ov... Juthakn el ir "demqin" uni yerku achQ... Inch verabervum e, "adzilel"( atsilel), apa, indz tvum e, ayn kazmvats e zhxtakan a + tsil(sprout, shoot, young growth)+ el = tsil@ hanel( ktrel). Mazn el e tslum, che?... _____________________________________________ SAS H.G. Isk yete ayspisi bacatrutyun tal Juthak = ju + thak = ju + thakel = jute + thakel: Yev iskapes, juthakahar@ nvagelu hamar "thakum" e juthakin: Sa, iharke, gitakan bacatrutyun chi, bayc hamapatasxanum e juthak nvagelu dzevin: "Ak"-n uni nayev "sprinq", "source" nshanakutyun@( "aghbyuri ak", "geti ak" )etc. Piano = dashnak = dashn + ak = dashnutyan(harmoniayi ) akunq = spring of harmony:

Harut, yes mi anzugakan hayoc lezvi yev grakanutyan usucchuhi em unecel` tikin Yesayan@ ( Astvats hogin lusavori )... Yerb "Abu Lala Maharin" einq ancnum, na asac, vor amen mek@ karogh e ir cankutyamb @ntrel voreve hatvats angir anelu hamar: Yes @ntrel ei hetevyal togher@ ( hima lriv chem hishum ). -Voh, knoj marmin, pagshot, odzeghen Divakan anot` vo&irneri char .... Na kavat, varar mi chqnagh dzhoghq, Nra beranov Iblisn e xosum: ... Dasaranum qar lrutyun er, isk im shurteric maghdz u tuyn er tapvum ughghvats der indz antsanot... Knoj@ Kar& asats, deri mej ei mtel... Mek el tikin Yesayann indz ktruk u kopit @ndhatec aselov` -Ay pslnqot, du inch gites knoj marminn inch e, vor aydpisi arhamaranqov u atelutyamb es artasanum?...Nstir,yerkus!!! ...Ayd orvanic stipvats dardza... knoj marmni yerkrpagun... Vot takie pirogi... ___________________ SAS H.G. Ayn el asem, vor dasarani hamarya bolor tghaner@ siraharvats ein ... tikin Yesayanin, chnayats na mez mayr er galis... Yes vor 100% Hb@, Harut jan, tesnis g@, baxts inch@gh e bere...

RAVENNAYUM Ararati tser katrain Dar e yekel, vayrkyani pes, U ancel: Anhun tvov kaytsakneri Surn e bekvel adamandin, U ancel: Mahaxu&ap serundneri Achqn e dipel luys gagatin, U ancel: Hert@ hima qonn e mi pah Du el nayir seg &akatin, U ... ancir: ____________________________________________ Lavaguyn banasteghtsutyunns@ nvirvats Araratin... )) SAS

*** Bardzr e hnuc ashxarhqn Hayoc u Masis@ yerknadet, Im xor hogin en bardzrunqin xosq e bacel n@ra het- Anhas banic, @skzbanic, yerb ch@kan el der ch@kar, Minchev vax&ann anvax&ani qn@num e daredar: *** Im knunqin yerkinq@` zham, arev@` jah s@rbazan, Tsiatsan@ narot yeghav, amenqi sern` avazan. Sar@ yeghav knqahayr@s, cogh@` myuron kensavet, U k@nqogh@s Na inqn yeghav, vor sahmanec indz poet: *** Inch? imans @steghtsoghi gaghtniqner@ anmekin,- @nker t@vav, irar kapec es ashxarhqum amenqin. Banasteghtsin toghec menak, me~n u menak iren pes, Vor iren pes m@tik ani amen mekin u kyanqin: *** Arevelqi yedemnerin ijav paytsar irikun, Heqiatakan palatnerum @spasum en im hogun. I~nch em shinum es cexerum, aghmuki mej vayreni... A~x, te noric g@tnem champan depi ente~gh, depi tun... *** - Es e, vor ka... &isht es asum, tas@d ber: Es el kerta` hanc yerazum, tas@d ber: Kyanqn hosum e tiezerqum z@ngalen, Mekn aprum e, myusn @spasum. tas@d ber... _________________________________________________ SAS [ November 26, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

MosJan, mi vaxena` yes hos em O Sul... Sulami... O Sulamita... Du ur es? Movses@ qez karotel e ...Yes el...shat... Te` Xndreci zna` yev voch gti, Kocheci zna` yev voch yet indz zdzayn... ____________________________________________ SAS

Harut, Moskvayum ( hatkapes hima ) shat hayer kan, bayc da der chi nshanakum e, te ka...haykakan mijavayr: Matematikosneri topic? Arajin angam em lsum... Matematikan hetaqrqir e, vorovhetev Afrikayum el matematika e, isk tsragravorum@... nman e qmayqot knoj` shut-shut popoxvum e yev amen or nor pahanjner dnum... Miayn tes, te qani tarber "languages" kan` xentanal kareli e` yev zhamanak ar zhamank norern en durs galis... H.G.Hetaqrqir e miayn ayn gortsneutyun@, yerb, nax` dra hamar vardzatrutyun ches aknkalum( kam aknkalelu hetagayum ), yerkrord`... ka nerqin pahanj u mghum: __________________ SAS [ November 07, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

Beauty Rose, sorry... ____________________________ MosJan, chgiti du el targmanir` te che meghq@... qo vzin kmna ___________________________ Harut, sksem verjic... H.G. = P.S. = Het Grutyun Tsnundov Javaxqic em, masnagitutyamb matematikos, ashxatum em vorpes tsragravorogh... @ndamen@ yereq tari? Isk yes hamarya im gitakacakan amboghj kyanqn aprel em Hayastanic yev haykakan mijavayric durs... Moskvayum: _______________________ SAS [ November 04, 2001: Message edited by: SAS ]

Harut, havanabar grabarum( hin hayerenum) nuynpes sheshtavorum@ yeghel e verjnavankayin, qanzi yerku zhamanakakic grakan lezunerum(arevela(arevmta)hayerenum ) yev shat barbarnerum ayn pahpanvel e: Inch verabervum e hamshenahyerenin, apa kovkasyan lezuneri "meghqn" ays kapakcutyuamb nvazaguyn e, vorovhetev nranq gaghtel en Trapizoni,Ordui,Oltii,Baberdi shrjanneric: Hamshenahayeren@ mtnum e arevmtahay barbarneri xmbi mej yev shat heshtutyamb kareli e haskanal, yete mi qich...turqeren gites, vorovhetev shat en ogtagortsum turqeren barer( hima el ruserenn e xarnvel): Tats asum er` turqn anitsvats e, bayc xosq@` orhnvats... ...Isk hayeren parapel@ shat hetaqrqir zbaghmunq e: Yete hnaravorutyun liner noric kyanqs sksel, apa anpayman hayoc lezvov u grakanutyamb kzbaghvei... Yerb es verjin angam Hayastanum yeghel? Bnik vorteghaci es? _________________________________________ Rose, voroshel enq Haruti het mi qich hayeren xosel: Kareli e, te akama ... meghanchel enq? Inch vor e, yete nuynisk meghq enq gortsel, apa "jahelneri meghqer@, parvneri viz@ " _____________________________________________ SAS H.G. Mnum e cankanal bolorin urax-zvart-anhog... shabat-kiraki

quote:Originally posted by Harut: sireli SAS, vaghuts e ayspisi makur hayeren chi lsel: shat huzvetsi: yes misht koghm em yeghel grakan hayerenin, bayts yerbek gitakits mard chen jarel vorpeszi im pahanjner@ bavararem` khosel grakan hayerenov: --- mots grakan hayeren@ inchpes statsvets? SAS jan, karogh es urish ayspisi hetakrkir batsatrutyunner tal? shat em khndrum. [ October 30, 2001: Message edited by: Harut ] _______________________________________ Harut Mite? aydpes huzvel es: Imijayaloc, "mite"-n shat hetaqrqir bar e` harcakan nshann @nknum e... arajin vankin: Du urish aydpisi barer gites? Myus koghmic tiflisi barbarn amboghjovin arajnasheshtayin e(vracereni azdecutyun), usti,Sayat-Nova kam Sundukyan &isht kardalu hamar, shesht@ kam hartsakan nshan@ petq e dnel arajin vanki vra: Orinak -Gna Pepo, getin@ lze, xalxi vuternun pach ara, nranc vuti cix@ lze... Pordzir bardzradzayn kardal ays naxadasutyun@ tarber sheshtavorumnerov yev kzgas tarberutyun@ _____________________________________________ SAS H.G.Hamenayn deps shnorhakalutyun

quote:Originally posted by Arpa: Correct! As a rule what is common to Armenian and Turkish is always Armenian. At the present satak/sadag is commonly used to describe a dead animal, i.e. carcass. The Turkish equivalent is "lesh". It is an undignified way of death as in "shan satak"(a dog's death). Verbs like "satkil/satketsnel" follow. Originally it was used in a much more noble context. In PC (pre-Christian) times a "satak" was the animal offering at the altar, the remains of which was offered to to the faithful to partake. Hence "zadak/zatik/Zadig". Does the Arabic/Turkish "sadaqa" (alms/handout/faithful) have any connection? _______________________________________ Arpa, zatel = ktrel,anjatel, bazhanel = grabaryan "z" + "Hatel": Hetagayum "H"-n sghvel: "Hatel" bayic kazmvum e "hatik" goyakan@ inchpes nayev ... atel bay@: Orinak` na indz atum e = na indz hatum e Nuyn dzevov "zatel" bayic arajacel e "zatik"-@: Zatiki tonin Qristos@ meznic bazhanvec(anjatvec, hatvec)... Hayerenum "zatik" bar@ goyutyun uner qristoneutyunic araj, vorovhetev ayn nayev mijati anun e ( karmir` teverin sev xaler) _________________________ SAS

quote:Originally posted by Garo: aurguplu ---------------------------------------------on lao as i had pointed out in a previous posting, phrygian had a word possibly containing "lao" (rawa-). if armenian descended from the same cluster of dialects as phrygian (it cannot have descended from phrygian directly for linguistic reasons), then "lao" could perhaps be an armenian word. besides, greek and armenian (together with phrygian) are thought to have belonged to the same dialect group after the breakup of indo-european, and the word can be common to all three. doesn't anyone have access to an armenian etymological dictionary? -------------------- ali suat __________________________________________ Zartir lao, mernim q@zi = Wake up my childe, i'll die for you. Lao = child... in dialects of Mush, Sasun etc. There is another song -Qele lao, qele ertanq m@r ergir = Lets go my child, lets go to our country... ____________________________________________________________________________ SAS

quote:Originally posted by Harut: in your opinion, what is the most aggressive country(nation) in the world??? not only militarly, but also economically, policitally, culturally, and so on.... what was the most aggressive country(nation) in the history??? ____________________________________ Harut, amenaagresiv azgern u petutyunner@ vaghuc korel-gnacel en` mnacatsnern el herti en kangnats Isk amneaagresiv azg@... HREANERN en, vorovhetev i he&uks patmutyan yev zhamanki der aprum en yev sharunakaum tsnel noranor gaghaparner( ideaner )... Isk ashxarh@,inchpes haytni e, karavarum en gagahaparner@... ___________________ SAS