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Do you mean Persians werent intelligent ! yes, it says he had the intention only to move Armenian skills, but later he deported almost all Armenians from Julfa. Later he tried to convert them into Shiaism, but gave up.

Good reading about Iranian Armenians history by Andranik Simonian: (in Persian ) http://www.carpetour.com/fa/emagazine.asp?p=2015&AID=3672 ps. I always thought Shah Abbas was nice to Armenians, but according to the article he was not!

Dear MIG Persian folk music is very melancholic, but it has its own beauty when it suddenly turns into optimism. Modern Persian pop music is very overloaded by instruments. What goes for Iranian folk music you could divid it into south/north east and north/north west. Talishi is definitly a north west music as Kurdish. A happy music. Btw, Kurdish, Talishi, Tati belongs to same group of language. Turkish as language has too many short vowels and many syllables. Which force them to speak fast and deep from mouth by help of stomach. While Persian has mainly long vowels and less syllables. which force us to speak slower. That differnces put its fingerprints on the music and rythms. what goes for above artist: 1 sounds kurdish,Gilak 6 sounds very persian 8 sounds as Andy is singing Persian 10 sounds as Tajiki from Bukhara I wouldnt rate it at all as Turkish.

Parliament asked to recognize Armenian 'genocide' Wednesday, November 29, 2000 - IranMania.com TEHRAN, Nov 29 (AFP) - Armenian members of the Iranian parliament are to ask the assembly to recognise Turkey's 1915-17 "genocide" of Armenians, the centrist daily Entekhab reported Wednesday. The two representatives of Iran's more than 200,000 citizens of Armenian origin want the Iranian parliament to follow similar moves elsewhere, notably in the European parliament. "The genocide of Armenians by Turkey is an undeniable fact which has been recognised by an important number of states throughout the world," MP Leon Davidian told Entekhab. A similar resolution by the Iranian parliament is likely to create further difficulties between Tehran and Ankara, which is criticised by Iran for its close ties with Israel. Armenians claim that some 1.5 million of their number resident in Turkey were killed in an act of genocide during World War I. Ankara categorically rejects the claims as a distortion of history, saying that some 300,000 Armenians and thousands of Turks were killed in internal fighting during the death throes of the Ottoman Empire. Italian deputies and French senators have also backed the Armenian cause in recent votes, as has Pope John-Paul II, though a bill branding the killings as genocide was dropped from the agenda of the US House of Representatives after pressure by President Bill Clinton http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/...p?NewsCode=4580 President Of Iran, Seyed Mohammad Khatami In The Monument Of The Armenian Genocide YEREVAN,9th SEPTEMBER 2004.Iranian President Seyed Mohammad Khatami, in the second day of his official visit to Armenia, visited the Memorial Complex Tsitsernakaberd in Yerevan and laid a wreath on the Memorial for the Victims of the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey in 1915. Armenia's chief of presidential staff Artashes Tumanian, Yerevan mayor Yervand Zakharian, Armenian deputy foreign minister Ruben Shugarian, and other high-ranking officials accompanied Khatami. The director of the Genocide Museum at Zizernagabert, Lavrenti Barseghian, briefed the Iranian president on the history of the museum, while employees presented him research work on the 1915 Armenian genocide, a map of Armenia, Epos of David of Sasun and a photography album of Mount Ararat. Talking to journalists, Lavrentiy Barseghyan said that the Iranian leader has become the forth Moslem leader to visit Tsitsernakaberd after the presidents of Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Lebanon. It is of great importance that the president of such a big country as Iran having friendly relations with us in the South Caucasus visited this place so sacred to every Armenian, Barseghyan said. He expressed hope for recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Iran in the nearest future. http://www.ourararat.com/eng/e_khatami.htm

http://www.sokhan.com/images/jamalzadeh_pic.jpg http://www.ourararat.com/eng/e_jamal.htm Observations of Iranian famous writer, Seyed Mohamad Ali Jamalzadeh Seyed Mohammed Jamal Zadeh, the famous author and the innovator of Persian modern story–writing, The writer of “Once upon a Time”, “Lunatic Asylum” and “The Water's Way” and… books, crossed from the land of death and murder, exactly in the days that Ottoman Armenians were vagrant in the deserts and the Demon of death plumaged on them. He wrote his observations under the title of “My personal observations In world war one”. He emphasis that what is written in this chapter, is all the things and the events that he Personally saw them and saw them for oneself. He left Berlin for Baghdad in Spring of 1915, first went to Istanbul and then Aleppo and Baghdad, and returned from the same way. " We moved from Baghdad and Aleppo towards Istanbul by hand-cart and cart. From the first day’s of our journey, we met many groups of Armenians, which strangely were unbelievable, and the Turkish armed and rider gendarmes drove them (on foot) towards death and perdition. First it made us very surprised, but little by little we fall into the habit. That even we did not look at them, and indeed it was hard to look at them.By the hit of lashes and weapons, they drove forward hundreds of weeping weak and on foot Armenian women and men with their children. Young men weren't seen among the people, because all the young men were send to the battle fields or were killed for precaution (joining to the Russian army). Armenian girls had shaved all their hairs, and were completely bald, let not Arab and Turkish men annoy them. Two-three gendarmes by the hit of the lashes, drove this groups forward, like cattle. If one of the captives because of tiredness and weakness or accident, was remained behind, he was kept back for ever (he was killed.), and the groaning of his relatives were useless. So step by step, we saw Armenian men and women who were fallen near the road and they were dead, or they were giving life or agony of death. Later we understood that some of the young residents of that area had not kept honor of some Armenian girls who were dying or had died in order to satisfy their lust. Our way was in the direction of Western Bank of Euphrates, and everyday we saw the corpses in the river, which the river carry them with it. One night from these nights, we lodged in a place which was relatively habitable, and we could buy a lamb from the residents and cut its head and grill it. We disembowel the lamb near-by and it was a green liquid, like a liquid pottage (soup). Suddenly we saw a group of Armenian, which the gendarmes lodged them near to us, fell on the green liquid and ate it with guzzle and greedy. It was a sight which I will never forget it. Again, another day we lodged in a place, which a big caravan from the same Armenian under the control of Ottoman ride police were staying there. An Armenian woman with dead face and figure, came near to me, and with French language said: ”for God’s sake, buy this two diamonds from me and instead give me some food, because my children are dying from hunger.” Believe! that I didn’t took the diamonds, but I gave them some food. Even our food , little by little draw to an end, but yet there was several days to reach Aleppo, we encounter distress. We reach Aleppo and lodged in a big guest–house, its name was “Prince guest-house”, and the owner was an Armenian. Frighten as something, he came to us and said, Jamal ***** entered Aleppo, and lodged in this guest-house, I’m scared that he will arrest and kill me, and seize the guest-house. By entreat and implore he wanted from us to go to Jamal ***** who was known as cruelty, and mediate. He said you are honorable people and maybe your mediate be effective, but it remained ineffective, and after hours it was revealed that the Armenian man was arrested and was send to Beirut and its suburbs, it was known that, a big shambles was made there. In short, we had a strange days, It was like a very frightening nightmare, which sometimes dominates me, and it saddens and persecutes me. Geneva 14th January, 1971 Seyed Mohammad Ali JamalZadeh." What you red was a summery of JamalZadeh’s observations from Armenian massacre in Ottoman Turkey.

if you want impress Iranians say: aafatollah ( Allah's pest ) btw, Loris is great. http://www.loristjeknavorian.com/bio.htm http://www.iranchamber.com/music/ltjeknavo...jeknavorian.php

Actually I am very happy to joined this Armenian forum. I have learned a lot of you guys. What I know in acient Iran they had 2 new year celeberations. One was called less Nowruz , the other was called great Nowruz. As you know less Nowruz in 21 Mars is Iranian new year. But guess what! The great Nowruz was in August. And it is still celebrated by smaller comunity of Zarathushtrians. And that guy , Vahagn is not a unknown face ! But he is composed by several faces in Iran. According to mythology : First, kiumarth's son ( kiu + death ) was killed by dragon. Second, his uncle Hushang kill the dragon and discover the fire. Third, Jamshid install Nowruz. I know in India they have similar story for death, fire, birth.

Good news

All of you who can understand Persian , watch this one live after 18:00 EU time until 24:00. watch it on internet here: http://208.53.131.109/ or by satalite: Telestar 12 Ma TV Ant 13, 11494MHz (V), SR 17464, 3/4

Acrually not att all. Many times your silly games take you (us) to new highs and discover new things. And not always the games are far away from truth. At least they help you to remember things! Anyway : Read this ( In Persian, last section of the article ) http://www.artmusic.ir/news/show.asp?Id=3745 It says there is still an instrument in Iran called Rabab . And guess what ! It has two strings. It has been mentioned by Farabi : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Farabi Who created and played many instruments.

Dear Arpa Mr Jean During is a French researcher on Iranian instruments. According to him kamanche has its root in middle east. In Iran its known as Kamanche, kamane, ghichak ( I guess here we go by ik/ak/uk ! ) By the way, kamanche is very popluar among Iranian Turkmen. What goes for Chines connection! I would not be surprised. There are several things in Iran which have its root in China. I guess minyatur is one of them.

Dear Arpa "Kamaan" in Persian means arc,bow. The "che" is a affix which means small. As bagh ( big garden) -> baghche ( little garden).

It says that Lyusya Tovmasyan has Persian blood! anyone knows about her origin?

Why donkey here, nuts there ...... Here we goes in Persian: A rose has thorn too.

Siamanto is not your first name! right?

Would you marry a girl who is a BEAUTY in world class and study PSYCHOLOGY ? She would ( as a Persian sayings goes) : Cut your head by silk.

I would never marry a girl with such a combination! I would be lost! like a toy

As a Persian saying goes: " Gorbe dastesh be goosht nemirese, mige boo mide" The cat can not have the meat, says: it smells bad !

Woooow, she has something special! She has something unique !

"All men are in error who say: 'God made death, and evil and good derive from him.' Especially as the Christians say: 'God is jealous. Because of the eating of a single fig from the tree God made death, and subjected man to that punishment.' Such jealousy not even man has for man, let alone God for men. For who says this is deaf and blind and deceived by the demons of Haraman. http://www.sasanika.com/pdf/Elishe.pdf Elishe's History of Vardan and the Armenian War is a work of classical Armenian literature about fifth-century Christian Armenians' resistance to the religious persecution of the Sassanians.

In Tajiki dictionary "Turk" is equated as "thief"

Saag Paneer is one of my favorite after Chicken Masala Saag Paneer Home made cheese in a bed of spinach, ginger, butter and fresh herbs. http://www.newmotherindia.com/images/plates/9_saag_paneer.jpg http://www.newmotherindia.com/Sabzi.htm

yes ποτίζω

is "pat/pata" a suffix too ? as in PATASKHAN .

Thank you Vava