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skittles, that's an oxymoron.. lol... the 5th one can't co-exist with the first 4

the answer to your question would be: Yes. or rather YES, in capital letters. like i said, i think it's more about pride and freedom, and being told what to do. how do you like it if some old unrelated lady whom you've never seen before ordered you (not told you) to do something just cos you not doing that was annoying her? i think it's pretty straightforward and solid.. i mean... i don't know... if i didn't know that i had the right to turn on the volume as much as i had, i would've probably turned it down at the second request (by the driver), but knowing full well that there was nothing anyone could do or charge me with, i think it's pretty logical for me to make use of my rights to the fullest. and like i said, it's more a matter of ideology... she's not my mother or anything. i don't even do what my mother tells me to do half the time.. so why should i do what she ordered me to do? And to answer your question with another question and an answer to my own question as well: Was the satisfaction of her getting her way worth all that disruption to her and to others? Apparently so. So you're gonna ask, "what makes you better than her?" To answer that: a) I had sat there before she came and sat beside me. She could move and sit elsewhere, but she didn't. She chose to sit right beside me. b ) If rudeness were a crime, I would've been the first one to complain to the driver. c) I respected her boundaries and her right to complain and remained on the bus and waited for the cops to arrive [even though that cost me my lecture, whereas she had nowhere in particular to reach on time], and at the same time practiced my rights. d) I cleared my conscience and some of my traumatic past with the police. That is probably why I did not turn down the volume the second time when I knew full well there was nothing they could do about it but call the cops [and I knew the cops wouldn't be able to press charges -- the example of people talking on the bus being public nuisance]. e) I taught (or would like to think I did) someone [or many people] a lesson in civility, and an example of how hypocritical people can be and what it all results in. f) I must say I did enjoy the entire situation, although I had no idea it was going to turn into that when I said "no" to that lady. I must admit that being right is a great feeling. And being cleared in front of police officers is an even better feeling, especially for someone who has had problems with them for like as long as my memory goes back. she is on an equal footing with me, but she is not any higher. and that is what i want people to wake up to. it's a fact. if she wants freedom, she's got it, but when she trespasses the boundaries, i'm not about to play along..

not really, Steve (that's your name, right?)... it's about what people believe in. i strongly believe in rights, and well, the fact that she didn't give it up means that she only did it the second time because her pride was hurt in front of everyone because she expected a yes... and i'm not about to give someone something when she has no right to it... especially when she talked to me like that.. i thought my earphones were pretty good with respect to sound-leak... hmmm.. they were damn expensive!!! i don't think a war can start without battles. this being one of them. we will see how many people on that bus will ever think of being as rude as that lady was and tell someone to turn down their volume again in their lives. not that there were any consequences for the lady [it's kinda weird that they didn't charge her at all for a complaint made in bad faith -- so she got away pretty well considering that she cost so much money and time], but still, i think it's more about the embarassment of it that gets to people. and i wasn't about to let her embarass me. hell no. not some mean attention whore who wants to get her way...

wow... :blink: i'm definitely getting that one (if i find it). lol.. pity games cost so much [well, let's just say i'm not exactly "wealthy" enough to buy games lol -- but i guess this will be an exception... but i also want NHL 2004 ]

well, apparently, the transit service rules are that if someone on the bus makes a complaint against someone else on the bus, the supervisor [& cops, if the conflict isn't resolved] need to be on the scene..

lol... :blink: she was so pissed off haha... but she did learn a lesson in civility (well, even if she didn't, she will think twice before she does that sorta thing next time )

slow internet -- dialup.. slow loading of pics... but is this game the one about Nazis.. i believe i've seen screenshots of it and thought it interesting.. will check it out.. have any of you played Blade Runner? and also, Accel, is that the in-game screenshot or a movie screenshot? if it's an in-game screenshot, i must say it looks.... awesome [half loaded pic lol]

ahahahaha... never mind... obviously didn't pick up the sarcasm in that one..

isn't that one an even bigger deception? haha... that's crazy, eh? you should've seen the Chinese guy in the interview lol... and the son is real, except that it wasn't [of course lol] their son haha... there's a very good movie about that titled M Butterfly, it's great.. i hadn't heard about this story before taking a "concepts of male and female in the west" course. i believe Boursicot lives (if he's still alive) with his male partner.. but he just thought the guy was a female at the time, and was fooled by it... it's a very weird story hmm.. and it really did take place..

i am not!! i think hyegurl is hogging all the love. ok! kidding! so don't get pissed off at me, kiddo (err, umm, i meant hyegurl not you, sev-mard). i would've never thought she said that.. hmm.. i wonder why she's your wife? lol... besides the obvious...

lol.... this reminds me of the Bernard Boursicot case, although that didn't involve marriage as far as I know.. Anyone who has read M. Butterfly will know what I'm talking about.

lol, i am?

lol.,.. so you COULD wait. heh... happy b-day.. so u can start another thread tomorrow, for your 16th birthday...

well, what a grand day!! lol.. i was late to class today (not cos i was too lazy to get up from bed in the morning, i was right on time when i left home), but because I was called "rude, inconsiderate." yes, i know that sounds weird and even mysterious, but here is what happened: I change 3 buses to go to school, or take the subway and then take the bus to university, and you know, it's always boring to sit there and not be able to read cos people talk (and i have concentration problems), or not being able to read cos you can't get a seat and the bus is packed, etc... and so i always take my walkman with me and listen to my punk CD by Thrice, called The Artist in the Ambulance... so today, like every other day, i took the bus that goes straight into university, and i was sitting in the front (which i rarely do, as it's priority seating for elderly people).. so anyhow, then this oh-so-elite/civilised lady gets on the bus and sits right beside me and pushes and shoves and at last makes herself comfortable... and at the time, i was listening to my CD at max volume, and no one really cared (i always listen to music at that volume).. so this really considerate lady turns to me (and i was looking right in front of me, as i'm not in the habit of LOOKING at people) and she touches me on the arm to get my attention and so i take my earphones off, and she goes like "turn the volume down, will ya?" so i say "NO" and i heard half of her reaction (as i put my headphones back on once i said that) - she went like "oh, so you won't, eh? you're RUDE and ..." *click - don't hear her anymore*.. everyone starts shaking their heads, don't know if it was their disapproval of my reply or her address to me.. so she doesn't do anything for a while, and i didn't turn down the volume, as i thought her tone to be extremely condescending (i might've turned down the volume a bit if she had been nice enough to say "please" or talk to me in a nicer, not holier-than-thou tone).. after a short while, she starts fidgeting again, and goes up to the driver (i was sitting at the 3rd seat away from the driver) and tells him something i can't hear (cos i have my headphones on), and the driver stops the bus and turns to me and starts talking, so i take my headphones off and he says "are you gonna turn down the volume or not, sir?" and i tell him, "NO." and he says "no? ok.." then addresses everyone on the bus "sorry folks, but this bus is outta service." so everyone starts wondering what's going on, people at the back didn't really know what was going on, and they start asking each other, and the lady who complained says "SHE's very rude and inconsiderate..." and then one guy who was sitting right beside me says "well, it works both ways. you just caused 50 people on this bus to have to wait for the next bus in the cold weather out there, just because you're inconsiderate." and others start nodding in approval of what the guy said. i'm still silent. so the bus driver asks me if i'm getting off or not, i tell him "i'm sorry to disappoint you, sir, but i paid my fare, and you have no right to tell me to get off unless you show me where in the tranit commissions rules it says that one cannot listen to music using headphones." so the driver calls the supervisor of the transit service and the cops, and then there's a direct announcement from the transit commission headquarters that the person who is playing the music "LOUD" should turn it off... so the bus goes outta service and people start to get off, except for this one guy who says "lady, if you want peace, stay at home" (the same guy who made the comment about who was inconsiderate lol).. and then another girl (lol, she was hot ) turns to the lady and says "ya know, most of us on this bus are university students, and if you have a problem with young people listening to music, then it's your problem.. we hear other people listening to music on their headphones all the time, but we don't say anything. we just shut up and bear with it. whereas you, with your inconsiderate selfish act, just caused all the people on this bus [who did hear that music but made no comment on it] to get out in the mud and snow and wait for another bus. it's a PUBLIC transport, so deal with it." i was like --> while she was talking lol.. so then the lady says "i paid a fare for the ride too, so i have the right to do whatever i want to." so the girl gets off the bus.. after a while, 2 cops arrive. so they get on the bus, and they're like, who's causing a problem here? and i say, "i believe that would have to be me, officers." so they tell me to come and talk with them at the back of the bus... basically, what they ask me is what was going on, and i tell them what happened and i tell them "this is clearly not a public nuiscance, officers. this is clearly going into my ear. and if she's gonna have a problem with what SHE hears, is she also gonna tell people who are talking with each other on the bus to just shut up?" lol .. so one officer asks me to put my headphones on and turn the music on, so that they'd hear how loud it was.. and i do it, and they start shaking their head and say that it wasn't even loud enough to be considered a nuisance... so they get my name, address, phone number, and as a sidenote ask me if it's my 1st year at school and what i'm taking, etc. then they go to the lady and they ask her what was going on, and she tells them that i was rude and that what i was listening to "wasn't even music." what the hell... and one of the cops starts laughing and tells her that rudeness is not a crime. and that differing taste in music is not a crime.. ahahaha. that was the best thing i've ever heard a cop say.. it just cracked me up.. haha.. and in the meantime this other guy who was defending me (not that i needed defense, i knew the law was on my side lol) said that he didn't even think it was loud, and he was sitting right next to me... so they just basically leave.. it's the first time i came off clean in a case with cops. hmm.. and so the bus short-turned and i had to transfer to another bus, and that friggin jerk was gonna get off where the bus short-turned anyway, and she was in no hurry, and we were a coupla stops from it when she made a complaint and all this happened.. so yeah, i'm pissed off, especially that i ended up skipping my lecture cos of her.. you know, even if i was rude to listen to music that loud or saying a simple and honest "NO" to her, i don't think she was any better than she tried to make me look like... i think she was a huge hypocrite or a huge attention whore.. so yeah, that's my story.. i think i dealt pretty maturely with this one situation... i don't know... does anyone think i was rude? i mean, what right does she have to tell me that i should turn down my music? it's not like i had a surround sound stereo radio on the bus or something.............. hmmm.. and the scary thing is that i've never had so many people be so supportive of me lol.. i mean, they were pissed off at the woman, maybe that's why they weren't pissed off at me lol... but still, they were like "there's nothing they [cops, transit supervisor] can do about it." lol, i guess my reading/studying of the criminal code paid off, in the end. and i don't think i am inconsiderate at all (perhaps am very blunt and that gives people the image that i'm rude) -- on the contrary, i am very respectful of others' rights and my duties and responsibilities, and i always give my seat to elderly people who would otherwise have to remain standing up on the bus, because younger people [mostly chinese people] just close their eyes as soon as they see an old person get on the bus, and pretend that they're sleeping, so that they wouldn't have to give up their seats.. yeah, i'm frustrated.. i mean, i am all for immigration and all that, but when will people realise that freedom or anything else for that matter is a 2 way street? it's about "live and let live." seriously, why do so many immigrants think that because they are now established in this country, they can basically order other people around? do they think they now own the land and are basically right just cos they think they are right??!?!?! i don't get it.. *sigh* this, i am afraid, is a report on the sad state of our country, the country being Canada, if any of you happen not to know.. and those of you who are wondering what happened with that girl -- well, nothing... except that she made me think twice about my sexuality lol..

i am not allowed to go out [to bars/clubs/etc.] or even the mall, cos my mom is paranoid that I'm lying to her about where I'm going lol... previously, I used to lie to her and tell her I was going to the mall and go out with friends for coffee, etc. [not the regular sorta friends, but a specific group of them she doesn't like (gay) lol], and she found out, and now she's reluctant to even let me go to the mall cos she thinks I'm lying again... I'm not allowed to work in the country anyway (can work only on-campus), as I'm a foreign student. How am I in school? I guess I'm lucky (or maybe unlucky?) that my mom pays my tuition (and hasn't kicked me out of the house YET). Well, I do have a coupla friends, though they are not very close friends.. most of them are from class, some of them i don't go anywhere with, some of them i'm closer to.. i have only one close friend, she's Armenian, but other than that, not many Armenian friends.. just people i say hi to when i go to basketball practice (yeah, i don't even talk much with the guys on the team lol )

lol, i get it now.. i thought you just discovered you had a cousin.

:blink: lol... hi Jend.. i'm a bit confused.. but i guess i always am..

hahaha.. that is sorta true.. but it's not just him... there are "smart" people in his administration... no no... i meant about the "chemical granates that were used in the war against Iran."

lol... and they come from?

i don't think this article is pro-gay.. in fact, i took it from a white nationalist, mostly anti-gay website.. exposing the bad sides of heterosexual marriage does not sanctify gay marriage... there will definitely be divorce in gay marriage lol... what are the chances of 2 people not disagreeing about something major in their "shared" life..? i think what the article is doing is basically laying out the hypocrisy of most heterosexuals in blindly defending the holiness of heterosexual marriage without actually looking at what's going on... and at the same time basically going on a crusade against gay marriage on the same bases which they are turning a blind eye to in heterosexual marriage...

A Mockery of Marriage The things heterosexuals do. Deroy Murdock Social conservatives are working overtime to argue that gay marriage would imperil straight matrimony. They say that if Jack and Joe were united, till death do them part, they would jeopardize husbands and wives, from sea to shining sea. "We will lose marriage in this nation," without constitutionally limiting it to heterosexuals, warns Family Research Council president Tony Perkins. The Traditional Values Coalition, meanwhile, sees "same-sex marriage as a way of destroying the concept of marriage altogether." It would be far easier to take these claims seriously if gay-marriage critics spent as much energy denouncing irresponsible heterosexuals whose behavior undermines traditional marriage. Among prominent Americans, such misdeeds are increasingly ubiquitous. Exhibit A is musical product Britney Spears's micromarriage to hometown pal Jason Allen Alexander. The 22-year-olds were wed on January 3 in Las Vegas. Clad in sneakers, a baseball cap, ripped jeans, and a navel-revealing T-shirt, the vocalist was escorted down the Little White Wedding Chapel's aisle by a hotel chauffeur. Spears and Alexander, who wore baggy pants and a zippered sweater, soon were wife and husband. Almost as soon, their marriage was annulled. Clark County Judge Lisa Brown accepted Spears's request and ruled that "There was no meeting of the minds in entering into this marriage contract, and in a court of equity there is cause for declaring the contract void." The revolving-door couple's 55 hours of marital bliss were based neither on love nor shared commitment, but because "they took a joke too far," explained Spears's label, Jive Records. Whatever objections they otherwise may generate, gay couples who desire marriage at least hope to stay hitched. Britney's latest misadventure, in contrast, reduced marriage from something sacred to just another Vegas activity, like watching the Bellagio Hotel's fountains between trips to the blackjack tables. Consider David Letterman. His hilarious broadcasts keep Insomniac-Americans cackling every weeknight. Last November 3, he got a national standing ovation when his son, Harry Joseph, was born. Those who rail against gay marriage stayed mum about the fact that Harry's dad and mom, Regina Lasko, shack up. What message is sent by this widely hailed out-of-wedlock birth? And then there's Jerry Seinfeld. This national treasure's eponymous TV show will generate belly laughs in syndication throughout this century, and deservedly so. The mere sound of those odd bass notes on Seinfeld's soundtrack can generate chuckles before any dialogue has been uttered. But while Seinfeld boasts millions of fans, Eric Nederlander is not among them. Shortly after the Broadway theater heir and his then-wife, Jessica Sklar, returned from their June 1998 honeymoon, she met Seinfeld at Manhattan's Reebok Club gym. He asked Sklar out, she accepted and, before long, she ditched her new husband and ran off with the comedian. Where was the social-conservative outrage at Seinfeld's dreadful actions? Can anyone on the religious Right seriously argue that the real risk to holy matrimony is not men like Seinfeld and women like Sklar but devoted male couples who aim neither to discard one another nor divide others? Of course, not every American is an overexposed pop diva, network talk-show host, or sitcom multimillionaire. For rank-and-file heterosexuals, marriage can involve decades of love and joy. In 51 percent of cases, people stay married for life. Such unions are inspiring, impressive, and deserve every American's applause. On the other hand, 49 percent of couples break up, according to Divorce magazine. The Federal Administration for Children and Families calculated in 2002 that deadbeat parents nationwide owed their kids $92.3 billion in unpaid child support. In 2000, 33.2 percent of children were born outside marriage. Among blacks, that figure was 68.5 percent. A 1998 National Institute of Justice survey found that 1.5 million women suffer domestic violence annually, as do 835,000 men. So-called "reality" TV shows like Fox's Married by America and its forthcoming My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiancé turn wedding vows into punch lines. In nearly every instance, heterosexuals — not homosexuals — perpetrated these social ills. Gay marriage is a big idea that deserves national debate. Nonetheless, social conservatives who blow their stacks over homosexual matrimony's supposed threat to traditional marriage tomorrow should focus on the far greater damage that heterosexuals are wreaking on that venerable institution today. :lol2:

lol, just an expression of uhhhhh i don't know what... it's just a way of saying it... lol.. what i meant by that, was that you meant by saying that hyebruin's sentence applied to guys who date, so I wondered if that applied to guys who date girls or guys who date guys.. i guess at any rate means "anyway" ? i don't know really.. it's just a phrase that's used quite a lot without having a definite meaning.

damn.. i feel like i'm missing out on all the fun.. i haven't seen this.. i'm on dialup and am impatient, so i can't wait for it to load lol...

for guys who date girls at any rate, right, gevo? hyebruin, in other words, the hollywood romance "awwww, so sweet, he kissed her" kinda thing... i guess they know the psychology of women... ?