TigrannesIII

quote:Originally posted by Harut:you know why, because today's NBA players are mostly thogs who couldn't care less about the state(nation/government) as a whole. and if it was up to me, i wouldn't let them represent my country. take Iverson for example. imagine he gets an interview in some other country during these kinds of events. what a humiliation! i remember Vince Carter standing over some guy in the Olympics like he was a god. It was disgusting. Americans wonder why the rest of the world hates them......

GO ARGENTINA AND YUGOSLAVIA!!!!

That simulated draft stuff stinks. I tried to trick the computer by putting a guy like Torry Holt ranked ahead of Randy Moss.... that backfired. I somehow got stuck with Mike Alstott, any trade offers?

i got the skins defense, Favre at the helm, Holt out wide, and Dillon in the backfield, looks like I can make a run.

oo-rah-rah-wis-kahn-sin!!! praise to thee our alma mater.......

quote:Originally posted by Sip:I ain't LETTIN anyone win anything smilies/lol2.gif So you better watch out !!! that's fine, if i'm out of the running down the stretch and you need to pick up some extra parts, dont be scared to ask... i messed around with the rankings thing hoping to get some solid guys. one year i started out the season with Randy Moss, Brett Favre, and I think Terrell Davis. That year was 1999. Moss' numbers went down (still really good), Favre had the thumb problem, and Davis got the bum knee. Talk about luck.....

Somebody Blew Up America By Amiri Baraka They say its some terrorist, some barbaric A Rab, in Afghanistan It wasn't our American terrorists It wasn't the Klan or the Skin heads Or the them that blows up nigger Churches, or reincarnates us on Death Row It wasn't Trent Lott Or David Duke or Giuliani Or Schundler, Helms retiring It wasn't The gonorrhea in costume The white sheet diseases That have murdered black people Terrorized reason and sanity Most of humanity, as they pleases They say (who say?) Who do the saying Who is them paying Who tell the lies Who in disguise Who had the slaves Who got the bux out the Bucks Who got fat from plantations Who genocided Indians Tried to waste the Black nation Who live on Wall Street The first plantation Who cut your nuts off Who rape your ma Who lynched your pa Who got the tar, who got the feathers Who had the match, who set the fires Who killed and hired Who say they God & still be the Devil Who the biggest only Who the most goodest Who do Jesus resemble Who created everything Who the smartest Who the greatest Who the richest Who say you ugly and they the goodlookingest Who define art Who define science Who made the bombs Who made the guns Who bought the slaves, who sold them Who called you them names Who say Dahmer wasn't insane Who? Who? Who? Who stole Puerto Rico Who stole the Indies, the Philipines, Manhattan Australia & The Hebrides Who forced opium on the Chinese Who own them buildings Who got the money Who think you funny Who locked you up Who own the papers Who owned the slave ship Who run the army Who the fake president Who the ruler Who the banker Who? Who? Who? Who own the mine Who twist your mind Who got bread Who need peace Who you think need war Who own the oil Who do no toil Who own the soil Who is not a nigger Who is so great ain't nobody bigger Who own this city Who own the air Who own the water Who own your crib Who rob and steal and cheat and murder and make lies the truth Who call you uncouth Who live in the biggest house Who do the biggest crime Who go on vacation anytime Who killed the most niggers Who killed the most Jews Who killed the most Italians Who killed the most Irish Who killed the most Africans Who killed the most Japanese Who killed the most Latinos Who? Who? Who? Who own the ocean Who own the airplanes Who own the malls Who own television Who own radio Who own what ain't even known to be owned Who own the owners that ain't the real owners Who own the suburbs Who suck the cities Who make the laws Who made Bush president Who believe the confederate flag need to be flying Who talk about democracy and be lying Who the Beast in Revelations Who 666 Who know who decide Jesus get crucified Who the Devil on the real side Who got rich from Armenian genocide Who the biggest terrorist Who change the bible Who killed the most people Who do the most evil Who don't worry about survival Who have the colonies Who stole the most land Who rule the world Who say they good but only do evil Who the biggest executioner Who? Who? Who? Who own the oil Who want more oil Who told you what you think that later you find out a lie Who? Who? Who? Who found Bin Laden, maybe they Satan Who pay the CIA, Who knew the bomb was gonna blow Who know why the terrorists Learned to fly in Florida, San Diego Who know why Five Israelis was filming the explosion And cracking they sides at the notion Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't goin' nowhere Who make the credit cards Who get the biggest tax cut Who walked out of the Conference Against Racism Who killed Malcolm, Kennedy & his Brother Who killed Dr King, Who would want such a thing? Are they linked to the murder of Lincoln? Who invaded Grenada Who made money from apartheid Who keep the Irish a colony Who overthrow Chile and Nicaragua later Who killed David Sibeko, Chris Hani, the same ones who killed Biko, Cabral, Neruda, Allende, Che Guevara, Sandino, Who killed Kabila, the ones who wasted Lumumba, Mondlane, Betty Shabazz, Die, Princess Di, Ralph Featherstone, Little Bobby Who locked up Mandela, Dhoruba, Geronimo, Assata, Mumia, Garvey, Dashiell Hammett, Alphaeus Hutton Who killed Huey Newton, Fred Hampton, Medgar Evers, Mikey Smith, Walter Rodney, Was it the ones who tried to poison Fidel Who tried to keep the Vietnamese Oppressed Who put a price on Lenin's head Who put the Jews in ovens, and who helped them do it Who said "America First" and ok'd the yellow stars Who killed Rosa Luxembourg, Liebneckt Who murdered the Rosenbergs And all the good people iced, tortured, assassinated, vanished Who got rich from Algeria, Libya, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Kuwait, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo Who invented Aids Who put the germs In the Indians' blankets Who thought up "The Trail of Tears" Who blew up the Maine & started the Spanish American War Who got Sharon back in Power Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo, Chiang kai Chek Who decided Affirmative Action had to go Reconstruction, The New Deal, The New Frontier, The Great Society, Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus Subsidere Who overthrew Nkrumah, Bishop, Who poison Robeson, who try to put DuBois in Jail Who frame Rap Jamil al Amin, Who frame the Rosenbergs, Garvey, The Scottsboro Boys, The Hollywood Ten Who set the Reichstag Fire Who knew the World Trade Center was gonna get bombed Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers To stay home that day Why did Sharon stay away? Who? Who? Who? Explosion of Owl the newspaper say The devil face cd be seen Who make money from war Who make dough from fear and lies Who want the world like it is Who want the world to be ruled by imperialism and national oppression and terror violence, and hunger and poverty. Who is the ruler of Hell? Who is the most powerful Who you know ever Seen God? But everybody seen The Devil Like an Owl exploding In your life in your brain in your self Like an Owl who know the devil All night, all day if you listen, Like an Owl Exploding in fire. We hear the questions rise In terrible flame like the whistle of a crazy dog Like the acid vomit of the fire of Hell Who and Who and WHO who who Whoooo and Whooooooooooooooooooooo! Copyright © 2001 Amiri Baraka. All Rights Reserved. you can see this on groong

man, we cant let those whiteys win our league

Rubo- In time you, too, will learn to ignore the wrongway's ramblings. He reminds of the old man who used to live next door to my friend- when our ball would go over into his yard, he'd yell at us for being stupid kids and not give it back. hagarag is the same way

quote:Originally posted by Rubo:I must be honest. I am a Turk phobic. I saw this in me very clearly when watching mind you, travel reportage on Turkey. They showed Saint Sofia and I am cursing, Darn it! They stole it from the Greeks! They showed architectural gems such as Dolbashi palace but fail to say Armenian Architect family Balians built it. I am watching all the usual compliments about the Turks, good food, great hospitality and so on but wait something is not right, they do not mention anything about Armenians or Greeks but plenty about Ataturk and his victories. I was disappointed that the report was successful in it’s intend to attract many tourists who are more interested in food and carpets then real history about the place. So in conclusion I was visibly in foul mood just by watching this program hence I am still Turk phobic. Regards Rubo I hope you dont feel bad about. I'm like that only I don't say 'darn it', I'm a little more harsh. Turks deserve our hate, they have done nothing to deserve our love or even our respect. We just have to go about being better than them. Like when we had an earthquake, they blockaded us. When they had an earthquake, we offered help. What really pisses me off is the way the rest of the world screws us over, moreso than what the turks have done to us. ok, maybe not, but close.

quote:Originally posted by Rubo:The impression I get is that Armenia does not have a solid mechanism to protect its interests in Jerusalem and Washington. Our patriarchi deserves our support and no way I will settle for unjust confiscation of our properties and lands in Israel. They have been confiscating Arab lands for years and this practice is not new! Interestingly Israeli Occupiers in West bank and Gaza are called settlers! How absurd. They go and occupy a land, build mini island states within sea of Arabs and they are called peace-loving Settlers. This is another twist of ironies of media brainwashing. Voghjuin bolorin Argishti that's one of the things that has always interested me. Armenians take back Artsakh, we're aggressors, Jews instigate wars and they're settlers, like the pilgrims or something.

quote:Originally posted by Accelerated:THOTH, I think was has happened is that Artur comes from a relativelly affluant Armenian family, and he can uphold those ideals, ideals that I agree with. The problem is, that the majority of Armenians in Armenia barely make ends meet, and conforming to these ideals is not their first priority. Though, this should not be used as an excuse to not aspire for them. While you, living outside Armenia have taken up the ideals of your host country, which I believe to be wrong. Sure, you'll have to live by their laws and customs, but you should still aspire to our ideals and hence agree with Artur, however 'unrealistic' and 'old fashioned' he may sound. Accelerated, Artur jan, and those who agree with us but bit their tongues- one two-word phrase can describe most of the 'haygagan' on this forum: white genocide hima odar en

the dog just barks. that whole country is so messed up.

Put me back in Kharpert, then we'll talk about turks' rights.

quote:Originally posted by Domino:More about him here. http://www.stjohnpress.cjb.net good work, thanks alot

what was that one book published by St.John's press, the one by the hick attorney who wrote about how all Armenians are crazy terrorists? I think it was Samuel Weens. Any help would be appreciated.

happy women's day to all the proud Armenian women

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII:Kazza- you lack all Armenianess. And it's 'Yes em hye' or 'hye em yes'. And you definitely don't keep it Armenian. You'll have to tell me what its like being 70.that's really the best you can do?

Kazza- you lack all Armenianess. And it's 'Yes em hye' or 'hye em yes'. And you definitely don't keep it Armenian.

quote:Originally posted by gen7474:Over the past several weeks I have had the opportunity to read many of the things that have been written on this and other web sites concerning Armenians. For the most part I see an extreme traditional view with an attempt to maintain some type of "originalness". Many of the statements and views openly against almost every single race, religion and creed in the name of preservation. Interesting considering Armenians by themselves are very much a mixture of a number of differnet races, religions and creeds. It seems extremely difficult to communicate with such Armenian traditionalists as it always resorts to cultural or other biases. Understanding that Armenia was the first country to adopt Christianity, does it seem odd that such behaviours are against the very teachings of the said religion. I am simply interested in learning about other cultures for research purposes, and true it may be unfair to make any conclusions about a community based on their own online communities, but difficult to ignore considering the sheer anger, hostility and rage with feelings of killing, murdering, abandonment of parents, and the obvious disregard for other human beings who are not Armenian that are themes one sees over and over again. Unfortunate, considering these are not the values taught by your religion and suppose to be upheld by normal civilized people and proud civilizations. It may be that such a random sampling of opinions are from young, uneducated persons who are closed minded and have not yet had the opportunity to braoden their minds to their own opinions. Surely, many of the thoughts run common and seem to based on some deep rooted anger. I am simply an outsider loooking in. My thoughts are simply an observation and are not intended to be malefocent. If I detract such opinions from the information on these Armenian online communities, what about all the other odars (strangers). If you are proud of your culture/heritage it should be good enough to show and not be the basis of unruly ignorance. I am interested in seeing if any of the responses to my opinions will have thought proviking dialogue or the very support of my observations. mixture of religions? are you crazy? there is only one.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: My thinking mirrors theirs in many respects - I am carrying on their tradition - so don't tell me that I disrespect my ancestors - you understand little. So very little. Nah, priesthood is not it, just gonna be a deacon. I may understand little, but you miss the bigger picture- completely. I'm sorry you don't have any faith.

quote:Originally posted by THOTH: quote:Originally posted by TigrannesIII: Do you truly believe that we are such children that cannot judge things for ourselves - that always must accept the word of some supposed authority figure? Pathetic. Hope for your sake you never get in with a Jim Jones... You are becomming more and more a charactature and a joke...you talk of being offended and such by my values - well yours (as expressed - though I really don't believe you) are truly frightening if you ask me...who are we to question? Are you truly so ignorant/unappreciative of the Western philosophical tradition? What makes you any different then taliban & such...? What a joke... Isn't it your place in the liberal West to accept me and not be offended by me? Hypocrite. All liberals are hypocritical in that regard though. Everyone except the right can have their say and have to be left alone. You're just as bad as me because I don't conform to your thoughts. Don't confuse religion with politics. Hitler was an anti-Christ. It is not my place to question a 1700 year old institution, obviously they're doing something right. And my love for my Church, my God, and my Savior is greatest of all. Didn't you know that I begin deacon training soon? And also, you have NO respect for your ancestors. I thought like you when I was 13. At least I've matured.

quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Tigrannes III, You have proven my point, that the rural and small city dwellers question less the tenets of their church fathers than the residents of the cosmopolitan cities. Who are we to question the church?

quote:Originally posted by hagarag:Tigranes III, My family were also wealthy and educated, with lawyers and doctors present. They one residence in Bolise, one in the Anatolian interior and a vacation home on an island off the coast. My father was studying in Europe at the time of the Genocide. My mother was also very religious in her youth, but she was betrayed by her church. So my perspectives are different than yours. Yea, see. They were in Constantinople. Mine never left their village outside of Kharpert.

The only 'cosmopolitan' Armenians in Western Armenia were those living in Constantinople. My family was rich and educated in Western Armenia (most were poor peasants), but they were about the most religious people you would ever meet. So that shoots another assumption of yours up. As for me being Western? Hardly. I have to put on a face for my American friends, but I can be myself with my Hayasdantsi friends, to a lesser extent my foreign friends (India, Singapore, Serbia, etc). Well, my mother is more Armenian than most of the 'Armenians' here, she's responsible for the majority of morals I believe in. Stop bringing up my mother, I don't bring up yours. At least mine had the sense to marry an Armenian and raise her children with Armenian morals. We'll see what happens when I go there. Ooooh, living conditions. That really doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things and everything I plan to do. As for maturity? You're about the most immature person on this forum. I thought you were college educated. And how can you think I'm going to be in shock- it's not like you've ever been there.