An Outrageous Denial Of Armenian Genocide

[NoComment]

http://www.forward.com/articles/12790/

 

 

I didn´t find his speech at the 92nd street Y,

please have a look to this article (Feb 28, 2008) and to the comments as well

 

 

 

[elle]

Hellektor,

 

I heard that Matthew Bryza have spoken kind of aggressively against Armenia in one of his interview before, but I can not seem to find the article on-line. I wanted to know if you have any idea which article I am talking about?

 

If this is indeed true, why can not Armenia ask for a replacement? Isn't it kind of ironic that not only he's Jewish, has a Jewish wife, but also he's not even neutral in his job and speaks of one side negatively? It is troubling in my opinion and I think that the Armenian government should ask the OSCE & the State Department for a replacement immediately!

 

I do not understand why they have mediators and the middlemen in these type of situations because what has the middleman done for resolving the NK situation so far? I mean nothing has changed (good for us) and nothing will change unless there's a war just like Aliev has stated, so why are these middemen trying to do by butting in? If they succeeded in something, I would say alright they are doing something...whether it's hurting Armenia or hurting Azerbaijan during the process, but it's neither here or there.

 

And what are they trying to pursue by bringing a pro-Turkish/Jewish guy to work as the mediator? As if he's going to tell Armenia just to give up the lands and as if Armenia will do just that! Is he a tool for the Jewish and Turkish forces to make Armenia look bad through Matthew Bryza.... while he trying to present the Armenian side as an aggressor just like in that article I was asking you about?

 

[elle]

Maybe this was the article I was talking about....BUT I assumed that he spoke one-sided about NK conflict though.

 

 

ARMENIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY COMMENT ON MATT BRYZA’S STATEMENTS

YEREVAN, MARCH 12, ARMENPRESS: “We’re astonished that even after his visit to Yerevan, after meeting with and hearing from various official and unofficial sources, US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Matt Bryza could make such arbitrary statements,” Tigran Balayan, head of the foreign ministry’s press division, said according to a press release forwarded to Armenpress in comments on Bryza’s statement regarding the latest developments in Armenia.

“Assigning such one-sided blame is unfounded and not helpful. The number of wounded law enforcement officers (108) -- 43 of them wounded by firearms and hand-grenades -- clearly demonstrates that rioters were in possession of firearms and explosives. That coincides with the operative information of law enforcement agencies which had informed the public about all this, days before the events of March 1. In that case, labeling the reaction of the government as “a crackdown on opposition protests”, or qualifying it as “harsh and brutal” is incorrect. This was not at all an attack by policemen on civilians,” he said. According to him, the violence of March 1 is indeed of great concern to all of us in Armenia, including and foremost, the government, which believes it is responsible for the maintenance of public order and safety.

He said it attempted to do so, exercising restraint, but as law enforcement bodies had earlier cautioned, turned into a clash between officers and demonstrators. With eight people dead (including one policeman) and dozens injured (many from law enforcement), there is no doubt that this was serious violence, and indeed deplorable, as Mr. Bryza says.

“Armenia’s challenge, now, 10 days after that disastrous day, is to fully explore and understand what happened and find ways to move forward together.

The international community’s focus should be to encourage all involved to take responsibility for the damage to the fabric of our society and to look for inclusive ways to move forward.

Ill-informed statements can and do contribute to an escalation of political tension.’

Edited March 12, 2008 by elle

[Hellektor]

Hellektor,

 

I heard that Matthew Bryza have spoken kind of aggressively against Armenia in one of his interview before, but I can not seem to find the article on-line. I wanted to know if you have any idea which article I am talking about?

First: the article you posted in your next post was actually the one for which I had posted the link. Once again, it's here.

 

Ever since he was appointed the American co-jester of the OSCE Minsk Group pack of clowns, he has shown that he is blatantly anti-Armenian, I usually read all Armenian related news in our Alik newspaper or watch it on Hyelur on Հ1. I'm sure all his vomiting has been recorded on the Internet, try searching for Bryza on panarmenian.net for instance or other Armenian online newspapers.

 

Right now the search option on panarmenian.net is unavailable. This might be because of filtering in Iran. I'll post his defecations if I come across them.

[Hellektor]

If this is indeed true, why can not Armenia ask for a replacement? Isn't it kind of ironic that not only he's Jewish, has a Jewish wife, but also he's not even neutral in his job and speaks of one side negatively? It is troubling in my opinion and I think that the Armenian government should ask the OSCE & the State Department for a replacement immediately!

You mean Turkish wife of course.

 

Well, the RoA government's meek and passive stance is no more astonishing to me. Just think of the Nakhijevan destruction going on when the sides were "negotiating". I have said it before, Armenia lost the chance of taking Nakhijevan back. They should have disposed of "Azeri" garbage in Nakhijevan by carpet bombing the area, at least they had to stop the "negotiations" and DEMAND that the issue be addressed, damage be paid, fake "Azerbaijan" be strongly condemned for that act of cultural genocide. Instead they were (and still are) talking about ceding Armenian territory to the sore, genocidal losers.

 

I have said a zillion times:

 

The OSCE pissed-on piece of "peace" paper is humiliating even for a losing side yet Oskanian constantly repeats that the principles of the paper on the table are reasonable. These are more or less the contents of the OSCE plan, "leaked" out of Bryza’s loud muzzle:

 

I. Armenian forces should evacuate and cede the liberated, historically Armenian land to the losers.

 

(Not a single word about northern Artsakh territories: Shahoomian, Getashen, nor Artzvashen from RoA proper. What about Nakhijevan? What about 90% of Armenian territory occupied by the Turks?)

 

II. "Azeri" "refugees" should return to "their" homes.

 

(When do the Armenians have to go back to their homeland? 93 years of exile are not enough? What's the hurry for the "Azeri" garbage?

Bringing one million "Azeri" vermin "back" into Armenia to kill us in our sleep, when they don't even have mercy for our dead is unthinkable.

Since when were there more than a couple 100,000 "Azeris" in Armenia?

Why doesn't the "Azeri" government house them in 120,000 Armenian usurped homes instead of whining like hyenas, parading their "refugees" in front of the world?

Not a single word about the 400,000 to half a million Armenians who had to escape as a result of genocide.)

 

III."Peace" keepers deployed in Artsakh.

 

(Why not peacekeepers in the "Azeri" side where peace is not kept?

The moment these Blue Helmet immoral hooligans are unleashed in Artsakh, expect all sorts of child molesting and rape scandals. They'll turn the region into a whorehouse and their ill treatment of locals is well known.)

 

IV. After 10 to 15 years (when the "Azeri" parasite will have bred like rats and will have multiplied tenfold), people of Artsakh will hold a referendum to decide Artsakh's future.

 

(This is considered a "compromise" from the sore loser "Azeri" side that insists the referendum be held all over fake "Azerbaijan". Give us a break!)

 

I do not understand why they have mediators and the middlemen in these type of situations because what has the middleman done for resolving the NK situation so far? I mean nothing has changed (good for us) and nothing will change unless there's a war just like Aliev has stated, so why are these middemen trying to do by butting in? If they succeeded in something, I would say alright they are doing something...whether it's hurting Armenia or hurting Azerbaijan during the process, but it's neither here or there.

As I said, the ONLY goal of the "negotiations" is to force the winning side to cede territory to the Turkish aggressor and loser of the war it perpetrated. Artsakh issue is solved. It was solved in 1994. Any change will be detrimental to Armenia. The blockade affects fake "Azerbaijan" and particularly Nakhijevan the most. Let it be so.

 

The most important thing for us to do is to settle at least 100,000 of those 400,000+ Armenian refugees in the liberated territories around Artsakh. They have raised this issue many times and have ensured that they would like to go and live there as compensation for their homes having been usurped by the "Azeri" genocidal parasites. This way the "Azeri" wolves will lose any argument of taking those lands from us. This is where the government of the RoA is so negligent, just like in the case of Javakhk and also the Diaspora Armenians. Alas, but alack...

 

 

[NoComment]

http://www.genocide-museum.am/14.03.2008.html

 

 

 

[Ashot]

Very good post NoComment, but you would have to excuse me - I would like to bring the whole article into the post in the forum... some people are against clicking the links, and it would be great material to refer to without leaving the forum!!!

 

Open Letter to Tzipi Livni, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Israel.

14.03.08

 

We are writing to express our shock, disbelief and horror at the statements attributed to Ambassador to Turkey Gaby Levy by the website of Sabah News (Turkey) that "what we [israel] did in Gaza is not genocide just like there is no Armenian genocide." These statements were reportedly in response to comments made by Prime Minister Erdoghan of Turkey criticizing Israel’s response to the terror attacks from Gaza. We would like to believe that he was misquoted.

Ambassador Levy is insultingly wrong in denying the Armenian genocide. There is an overwhelming body of historical evidence from many separate and independent bodies of information to show that the mass atrocities experienced by the Armenians were a result of an intentional policy on the part of the Turkish government at the time. It is precisely this evidence of intent to kill and destroy, in whole or in part, as defined by the UN Convention on Genocide, which is why these atrocities constitute genocide. They were adjudged genocide by Raphael Lemkin, the person who gave the world the word-concept of genocide, and have been so adjudged by any number of impartial commissions and professional authorities, including the International Association of Genocide Scholars.

Israel’s ambassador is humiliatingly further misdirected on Gaza, where it is Hamas, an organization with a genocidal agenda, which is carrying out terror attacks aimed at killing, destroying and expelling the entire population. Israel is defending itself against the perpetrators of this genocidal agenda. The Grad rockets Hamas is now firing at population centers in Israel come from Iran which has expressed a sworn determination to wipe out the State of Israel.

Clearly Israel has never embarked on a genocidal program or action in Gaza, but for the ambassador to prove his point as it were by comparing Israel’s actions today in Gaza to the known genocidal activities of the Ottoman Turks against the Armenians and other non-Moslem minorities in 1915 and on is self-defeating in the extreme. The aim of Israel’s military actions in Gaza is to stop the genocidal terror aimed at the Israeli public. To link proof that Israel is not the aggressor in Gaza with a denial of the validity of the Armenian Genocide is seriously harmful to Israel. Ambassador Levy’s mission is not to revise historical truth, but to represent Israel with honor, self-respect, competence and integrity. He has failed the test on all counts. By publicly declaring his denial of the Armenian genocide, he paves the way for denial of all other genocidal threats, foremost of which are those now facing Israel.

Israel’s relationship with Turkey is a matter of vital importance to the two countries. But this relationship does not require public displays of obsequiousness and participation in genocide denial. It does require Ambassador Levy to advise Turkey of the genocidal threats from Hamas, and from Iran, its paymaster.

We call upon the Government to repudiate the remarks attributed to him.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Prof. Yair Auron, PhD, Dept. of Sociology, Open University of Israel

Prof. Israel W. Charny, PhD (retired Tel Aviv University and Hebrew University), Executive Director, Institute on the Holocaust and Genocide, Jerusalem, Editor, Encyclopedia of Genocide

Prof. Elihu D. Richter, MD, MPH, Genocide Prevention Program, Hebrew University-Hadassah School of Public Health and Community Medicine

 

Thank you NoComment!!!

[NoComment]

You don´t need to excuse yourself Ashot, you are helping the reading of this article, and I can only thank you

 

I´m sorry by not succeeding to bring you some news that I thought have an importance in our matter,

I´m not so good at it

and here for example, by answering to you (in my "perfect" english) I put this article in the shade.

 

You may have seen previously this phenomenal video of the french philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy, an youtubmic bomb

(remark: this guy is very famous in France)

 

 

as he was recently at the 92nd street Y to do a lecture I thought that some here would be interested to know more of his speech

 

Bernard-Henri Levy announce in the french-armenian magazine "Les Nouvelles d´Arménie" (nr 136, december 2007) in an interview with Ara Toranian

that he is invited this spring to take part in a conference at the "92th Y" in New-York.

He gonna lead a speech, and due to all what happen around the resolution 106 and at his request, the issue of the armenian gonna take a major place in this conference

 

I did found previously this article

http://www.forward.com/articles/12790/

 

what about his speech at the 92nd Street Y related to the Armenians, I have no idea yet

 

 

Pari Chapatavertch Ashot

 

 

[Hellektor]

This article has also been posted on this page* where it has also been discussed.

 

Note that as garmag rightly exposes it, hypocrisy is dripping from between the lines of this supposed outrage at denial of the Armenian Genocide.

 

Judge by yourselves:

 

Israel’s relationship with Turkey is a matter of vital importance to the two countries. But this relationship does not require public displays of obsequiousness and participation in genocide denial. It does require Ambassador Levy to advise Turkey of the genocidal threats from Hamas, and from Iran, its paymaster.

 

 

*The findpost for this post fetches the wrong page.

 

 

[Aratta-Kingdom]

L.A. Times Errs by Providing Platform to Turkish Denialists

BY HARUT SASSOUNIAN

 

Just when The Los Angeles Times -- after a series of misjudgments by previous editors -- had developed an improved sensitivity on the Armenian Genocide, a new editor comes along and offends the Armenian community once again -- and of all months, in the month of April!

The Times posted on April 2 on its website -- but thankfully did not include it in its printed edition - "a partial transcript of the Assembly of Turkish American Associations' meeting with The Times editorial board." The introductory note further stated: "Leaders of an umbrella group for Turkish-American groups stopped by The Times recently to discuss the debate over the Armenian genocide, Turkey's membership in the European Union and quashing Kurdish separatism in northern Iraq. Below are highlights from that meeting."

The transcript listed the participants as Tim Cavanaugh, the Web editor of The Times opinion page, Nurten Ural, President of Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA), Ahmet Atahan, President of Association of Turkish Americans of Southern California, and Allison Block, Advocacy Director of ATAA.

It is extremely disappointing and disturbing that the editorial board of The Times would welcome a group of genocide denialists to its headquarters, particularly since the newspaper has an unequivocal policy of recognizing the indisputable facts of the Armenian Genocide. To make matters worse, the newspaper posted the Turkish denials on its website, thereby giving them a platform to disseminate their lies worldwide. This is akin to inviting a group of neo-Nazis for a meeting with the editorial board of The Times "to discuss the debate over the Jewish Holocaust" and then post their revisionist statements on the newspaper's website!

The only explanation -- which can not be misconstrued as a justification for such an irresponsible behavior -- could be that one of the highly paid American public relations firms hired by the Turkish government arranged this editorial board meeting. David Hiller, the Publisher of The Times, should investigate this scandalous episode and provide an explanation along with an apology to the Armenian community.

Mr. Cavanaugh opened the meeting with the following statement: "The L.A. Times is on record as supporting the term genocide to describe whatever it is that happened in the early part of the 20th century." Mr. Cavanaugh displayed his total insensitivity to the Armenian Genocide by describing it as "whatever it is that happened." Would he have described the Holocaust as "whatever it is that happened to the Jews?" He then asked the Turkish group for their views on the Armenian Genocide.

Mr. Ural, after repeating the standard Turkish distortions of the Armenian Genocide, made the following ridiculous statement: "Some of my best friends are Armenians. Secretly, they come to us, openly, publicly, they refuse to come to us."

Mr. Cavanaugh was then quoted as making the following very strange statement to the Turkish group: "They [Armenians] can come in and make their own case." If The Times wanted to invite an Armenian-American group for an editorial board meeting, the editors know how to contact the community leaders. They should not have to hear of such an invitation from reading the transcript of a meeting with a contingent of Turkish denialists.

Mr. Cavanaugh seemed quite well-informed on Armenian issues, however, when he told the Turkish group: "What you hear from Armenian groups is, you know, when you say debate, the response to that is, 'Well, we don't ask Jewish groups to come in and debate German groups about whether the Holocaust happened. And why should we be subject to that ; sort of self justification?'" That is an accurate observation about the Armenian position on this issue.

Mr. Cavanaugh then resorted to the standard trick of trying to divide the Diaspora from Armenia on the Genocide issue when he told the Turks: "We had the Armenian prime minister in a few months back, and he suggested; we're talking about Armenian Americans, right? Because ; the prime minister discussed the idea that this is something that gets people exercised more in the Diaspora than it does in Armenia itself ;." In reality, according to the transcript of Prime Minister Serzh Sargsyan's October 19, 2007 meeting with the L.A. Times editorial board, when he was asked, "Why does this issue [genocide] matter more to Armenian-Americans than to Armenians?" he answered: "I wouldn't say it is more important for the Armenian Americans than for the Armenian Armenians -- I think for all the Armenians in the world this issue is very important. But for one part of our people this problem was more important because it concerned themselves immediately." Mr. Cavanaugh was present at that meeting.

Allison Block, the rookie advocacy director of ATAA, responded to Mr. Cavanaugh by contradicting herself. While agreeing with the claim that the genocide is a Diaspora issue, she made the illogical assertion that should the U.S. Congress recognize the Armenian Genocide at the urging of Armenian-Americans, Turkey will punish Armenia by keeping its border closed.

Finally, Mr. Cavanaugh asked "Why would [Armenian Americans] push the [genocide] issue?" Mr. Ural interestingly answered: "Land. Money." Mr. Ural is correct. Armenians demand just compensation for their losses. Why shouldn't Armenians ask for what is rightfully theirs? The descendants of the Jewish victims of the Holocaust properly received billions of dollars for their horrible losses. Armenians deserve no less.

 

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