Wisdom, Smartness And Intelligence

[Anileve]

I was thinking about it today, what is the difference between all three? After reasoning a bit I realized that it's very easy to become tangled in definitions and differentiations when it comes to those three properties.

[Armen]

I was thinking about it today, what is the difference between all three? After reasoning a bit I realized that it's very easy to become tangled in definitions and differentiations when it comes to those three properties.

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My take:

Smartness: ability to solve problems

Intelligence: ability to solve problems with style

Wisdom: ability to solve problesm with style without creating other ones

 

Great topic! Never thought about this.

[DominO123]

I was thinking about it today, what is the difference between all three? After reasoning a bit I realized that it's very easy to become tangled in definitions and differentiations when it comes to those three properties.

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Smartness and intelligence are near the same thing... it is the ability of solving problems... but it is an abstract word, there are according to some specialists over 30 types of intelligences, and every of those could be cut on other cathegories etc...

 

Wisdom for me is experience and knowledge. It takes some basic intelligences to treat knowledge and be wise, but from my point of view it doesn't take wisdom to be intelligent.

 

Socrates wisdom was his knowledge that he didn't knew anything.

 

Seaphans wisdom is that he is not young enough to know everything, and mine is that I am young enough to know nothing.

Edited September 25, 2004 by Fadix

[Sip]

Funny stuff Fadiushka

 

Here's my take:

 

Smartness: Ability to solve problems you have seen before rapidly.

Intelligence: Ability to formulate and solve problems you have not seen before.

Wisdom: Not having to solve any problems yet being able to arrive at a correct conclusion.

 

Note that under my definition, our computers are very smart for certain tasks but are neither intelligent nor wise.

Edited September 25, 2004 by Seapahn

[Armen]

Smartness: Ability to solve problems you have seen before rapidly.

Intelligence: Ability to solve problems you have not seen before.

Wisdom: Not having to solve problems in order to arrive at a correct conclusion.

 

Note that under my definition, our computers are very smart but not intelligent nor wise.

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Great definition! "...have not seen before", do you mean it is God's gift

[Sasun]

I think smartness and intelligence come from the mind exclusively, while wisdom is knowledge that comes from somewhere else rather than analytic thinking. That is why there are wise people who have no formal education.

[ED]

When wisdom is exercised in congestion of smartness and Intelligence this is when one achieves a beautiful mind, you can be natures man, a peasant or simply a man not neseseraly smart and inteligent or without any formal education, but can possess a wisdom that get you thru in difficulties of life.

 

good one Eve, interesting thread

[DominO123]

Funny stuff Fadiushka

 

Here's my take:

 

Smartness: Ability to solve problems you have seen before rapidly.

Intelligence: Ability to formulate and solve problems you have not seen before.

Wisdom: Not having to solve any problems yet being able to arrive at a correct conclusion.

 

Note that under my definition, our computers are very smart for certain tasks but are neither intelligent nor wise.

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I agree, but if you extend your definition of wisdom, its about what I said. Knowledge and experience, you know the answer without solving it, because you in tha past already thought about it, you have experience and knowledge about this problem to the point that when it is asked you already know the answer.

[THOTH]

Great definition! "...have not seen before", do you mean it is God's gift 

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Man - I was agreeing with Sip...and you had to go and ruin it... :velho:

[DominO123]

Man - I was agreeing with Sip...and you had to go and ruin it...     :velho:

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That's an evidences that sometimes even you can be funny.

[THOTH]

 

That's an evidences that sometimes even you can be funny. 

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...sometimes..?

[Armen]

Man - I was agreeing with Sip...and you had to go and ruin it...     :velho:

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I ruined it? I agree with Sip 100%

[Anileve]

Smartness: Ability to solve problems you have seen before rapidly.

Intelligence: Ability to formulate and solve problems you have not seen before.

Wisdom: Not having to solve any problems yet being able to arrive at a correct conclusion.

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Excellent stuff guys! Seap, very elegant and concise definitions in theory, however if you start applying them pragmatically things become a little dim.

 

So in essence this is what one can conclude based on the Sip’s formula:

 

One can be smart but not wise or intelligent.

One can be intelligent which means he must be smart as well, but not necessarily wise.

One can be wise but not smart or intelligent.

 

Can we assume that this is correct?

[Sip]

I feel I need to add that experts have been debating the definition of "intelligence" for a long time ... especially with the advent of artificial intelligence, the question of what actually is intelligence has been revisited many many times, with the "Turing Test" being the most widely accepted measure by which to identify intelligence ... and of course the test uses a human to make the comparison

 

But for example for a long time people who could play chess very well were thought to be very intelligent .... but then computers showed up and now they can beat the best of the best pretty much but they are faaar from intelligent... or are they

Edited September 26, 2004 by Seapahn

[Anileve]

But for example for a long time people who could play chess very well were thought to be very intelligent .... but then computers showed up and now they can beat the best of the best pretty much but they are faaar from intelligent... or are they

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But according to your formula, they would be labeled as smart not intelligent. They have seen such problems before, because they have studied their "craft."

[Sip]

Yup ... I consider chess more an aquired skill but it really comes down to how one plays. As you said, in reality the line gets blurred as some people may utilize tremendous creativity and ingenuity in playing (to me a big sign of intelligence) while others may rely on experience, learned scenarios, and strategies.

[Anileve]

One can be smart but not wise or intelligent.

One can be intelligent which means he must be smart as well, but not necessarily wise.

One can be wise but not smart or intelligent.

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Do you think that this is right?

[Sip]

I would say yes except I am unsure about the last one. To me, wise is kind of above the other two. An intelligent person arrives at answers after some work but the wise guy already knows it or can figure it out through other means rather than "working things out".

 

But then, someone can just be wise by simply knowing a lot of things ... is that intelligence or smartness? I don't know! If so, is google smart or intelligent? It does usually come up with good answers to many questions

[Stormig]

Computers can't be intelligent for beating people (even Gasparov) at chess - they've been programmed, pre-taught the moves down to empirical basics (or however else you may put it). There is hard human work behind that dumb screen.

[DominO123]

I would say yes except I am unsure about the last one. To me, wise is kind of above the other two.  An intelligent person arrives at answers after some work but the wise guy already knows it or can figure it out through other means rather than "working things out".

 

But then, someone can just be wise by simply knowing a lot of things ... is that intelligence or smartness? I don't know!  If so, is google smart or intelligent? It does usually come up with good answers to many questions

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I agree, I think wisdom require some basic intelligence, in processing knowledge to come up with newer knowledge, or being able to use the already aquired knowledge.

[Stormig]

BTW, what's this topic doing under "theology"? :shudder:

[Azat]

I kind of sort of agree with Sips defenition. Except I think that intelligence includes wisdom and smartness. for one to be intelligent one has to be wise and smart. so the only change i would make is to switch the definition of the last two.

 

Stormed one, what about computer systems and networks that can learn over time?

[Stormig]

Stormed one, what about computer systems and networks that can learn over time?

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They are created to learn. Maybe, just maybe, intelligent, but not smart. (I don't believe in this favourite theme about systems outsmarting their designers in the future.) I have a hard time thinking of human-created stuff as intelligent in the way we use it for humans. For all its electronic capabilities, I can't think of a device being more intelligent than its creator per se or perhaps most if not all other members of the species. (Likewise I understand Satanists hold that the Devil couldn't have been more evil than its creator, hence being the lesser of two evils - whatever, but I hope I can get my point across.) Computers compute - they don't reason, they can't understand feelings and human mechanisms - they are just one type of "intelligent" if we are to bear in mind what Domino said about there being many types of intelligence.

Oh now I get why we're under this forum - are we intelligent because some "intelligent designer" made us all that?

[DominO123]

I kind of sort of agree with Sips defenition.  Except I think that intelligence includes wisdom and smartness.  for one to be intelligent one has to be wise and smart.  so the only change i would make is to switch the definition of the last two.

 

Stormed one, what about computer systems and networks that can learn over time?

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An intelligent fool can build an atomic bomb and make it land on a city to kill all its population...

 

That person is intelligent, but is he wise?

Edited September 26, 2004 by Fadix

[DominO123]

Here about Wisdom by Ara.

 

Sunday, September 26, 2004

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INFORMATION AND WISDOM.

LITTLE BOYS AND BIG BOYS.

ON THE COMPLEXITIES OF LIFE.

ON LOSING AN ARGUMENT.

ON FICTION.

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There is a natural tendency in all of us to overestimate the wisdom of someone who knows something we don’t know, or to confuse information with wisdom.

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Everyone knows something no one knows, even if what he knows is about himself and his experiences.

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Little boys brag about things they haven’t done or cannot do. Big boys brag about things they neither know nor understand, all the while hoping no one can tell if they are bragging.

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In life, the crucified do not always rise on the third day.

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A bishop will never lose an argument if losing it would mean defrocking himself. Neither will a born-again lose an argument if losing it would mean being dead again.

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Reality or life is a succession of false starts, vicious circles, and dead-ends. Faith or a belief system allows us to think otherwise by reducing life to a one-dimensional operation in which all questions have answers, the end is predictable, and man is subject to rigid laws. In other words, a belief system is a program and a believer is one who constantly programs himself in order to eliminate the uncertain, the irrational, and the incomprehensible by means of prayer and ritual, also known as incantation and mumbo jumbo.

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There is a visible as well as an invisible universe. Great many questions about the visible universe remain unanswered. As for the invisible: we know nothing about it. We don’t even know if it is an extension of the visible. To believe means to reduce the mystery of reality by assuming that since we know the Creator, we need all we need to know about His creation. I am somewhat simplifying things, but not as much as a man of faith simplifies reality.

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Every novel has a central theme or thesis, which can be expressed in a single sentence or brief paragraph. I speak only of themes because I have a horror of boring my readers with imaginary characters, landscapes and dialogue. When I was a child, words like “Once upon a time,” were pure magic. But I am no longer a child, and dark forests, castles, palaces and beautiful princesses no longer exercise the same spell on me. And it is beyond me why anyone would be interested to read such an opening sentence as “The bell rang and I went to the front and opened the door,” or “It was on my wanderings that I first met my beloved.”

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Fine sentiments and thoughts should be expressed either in a fine style or with the utmost simplicity, because even a hint of pretentiousness may expose the writer as a counterfeit.

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It has been observed that even when our words have wings they may fly in unpredictable directions.

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