elovna Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 In my country marriage "before Church" and "before Law" are 2 seperate things. You can marry either "before the(your) Church" or "before the Law (the state)", or both. My first question: If you marry in Armenia before the Armenian Church, will this marriage automatically be recognised by the Armenian state? Or does one need to seperately marry 'before the Law', like in my country, to get the state to officially recognize the marriage? Second question:What if the marriage were to take place outside of Armenia, let's say in the USA, would that be different? Third question:Does the Armenian church allow marriage to non-members of the Armenian church? [ September 07, 2001: Message edited by: Aghtchik ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 1.as far as i know, in Armenia you have to get married in front of state to be recognized by law.to be recognized by law you don't have to get married in Church. it is just a tradition that most of people follow. 2.even though i live in US i don't know about it here. 3.i think there is no problem with this in Armenia. but i'm not sure.Philip Kirkorov and Alla Pugachova got (re)merried in Ejmiadzin in Mayr Tajar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Harut:1.as far as i know, in Armenia you have to get married in front of state to be recognized by law.You are wrong, Harut. Even in the Soviet era, when getting married just through the Church, the state has recognized the legitimacy of the merriage, even if the merriage had not been reiterated through the state seal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Aghtchik, I have sent you an e-mail. Have you got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThornyRose Posted September 8, 2001 Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 Clarification requested: Second question:What if the marriage were to take place outside of Armenia, let's say in the USA, would that be different? By marriage, you mean marriage before the church (a church in the USA)?Doesn't it follow that, whatever the case, you would have to be married before a body that has connection to either of the two (or the authoritative one of the two)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 8, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 quote:Originally posted by gamavor:Aghtchik,I have sent you an e-mail. Have you got it? Yes I have I sent you one back ssssssssshnorhakalutyun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 8, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Thorny Rose:Clarification requested:Second question:What if the marriage were to take place outside of Armenia, let's say in the USA, would that be different?By marriage, you mean marriage before the church (a church in the USA)?Doesn't it follow that, whatever the case, you would have to be married before a body that has connection to either of the two (or the authoritative one of the two)?Thorny, is it Ok if I forgot what I meant? All I can say now, is that it would be nice to be married to a 'body' But don't ask me to clarify this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 8, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2001 To all of you: - Thank you for your help - : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Help? what help? Help yourself first to come over your unusful thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward demian Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Ok here it is.In the Us, You need to ger a blood test to make sure that the blood types are compatible so the chilldren will be born healthy. Even if the blood types are incompatible, you can ignore the rsults and get married anyway. Withthe results, you go to either a church, or city hall, or to Las Vegas and see Elvis. Anyone can officiate. It is a personal choice. After the customary ceremony, you pay (allways have to pay), and receive your marriage certificate. If you want, you can then record it (at the county recorder)so the world will know, or you don't record it in order to keep it a secret so your other wife (in the old country)won't find out. I thought girls learned about this before they became potty trained. The boys learn about this early too, in order to know what places and subjects to avoid for as long as possible. But girls are better at this than guys,so boys get snared soon enough. Happy hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 9, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by edward demian:Ok here it is.In the Us, You need to ger a blood test to make sure that the blood types are compatible so the chilldren will be born healthy. Even if the blood types are incompatible, you can ignore the rsults and get married anyway. They won't marry you if you can't show the bloodtest results, but they will if the testresults show that you are a bad match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elovna Posted September 9, 2001 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by edward demian:Happy hunting!Thanks Edward, but I don't intend to. I already promised myself to a wonderful Armenian prince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by Harut:are you sure Martin?i think you have to go through "zaks" to be officially recognized as married couple.even if so, was that only in Armenia or in all Soviet republics?Yes, Harut. I am sure. Even if you would've not gone to "zags," the merriage through the church would've been recognized by the state as legal in the entire USSR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 quote:Originally posted by MJ:You are wrong, Harut. Even in the Soviet era, when getting married just through the Church, the state has recognized the legitimacy of the merriage, even if the merriage had not been reiterated through the state seal.are you sure Martin?i think you have to go through "zaks" to be officially recognized as married couple.even if so, was that only in Armenia or in all Soviet republics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward demian Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Achchig.Yes because the test is designed to prevent out several things. 1.Relatives from marrying each other and procducing idiot chilldren. (I is possible for 1st cousins unknowingly marrying)2.One or both may have a venerial desease.3. A few blood types are not very compatible, and the chances of procreation diminishes drastically but not to zero.However, except for # 2, neither of the problems are obsolute.Overall, the test is designed to inform not regulate the parties to a union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 From what I have seen one does not need to be Armenian or "convert" to be married to an Armenian in an Armenian Church. Such was the case with my cousin who married a French Catholic at an Armenian Church in Paris. The ceremony was in Armenian except that they addressed him in French "Do you want to take this woman to be your bla bla bla..." Ok, so this was the case with two different types of Christians, now if you're Jewish or Muslim I am not sure if you need to be baptised as Christian to be married at an Armenian Church. Maybe someone else will comment about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 "Do you want to take this woman to be your bla bla bla..." I think the Armenian Church should re-think the whole procedure. If they ask me in front of the altar "Until death tears you apart".... Hell, it would take a huge amount of time to answer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Ok, so this was the case with two different types of Christians, now if you're Jewish or Muslim I am not sure if you need to be baptised as Christian to be married at an Armenian Church. Maybe someone else will comment about this. style_images/master/snapback.png I don't know the exact ritual but I can't understand why these kind of couples want to be married according to the Church ceremony anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_Karenina Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 3.i think there is no problem with this in Armenia. but i'm not sure. Philip Kirkorov and Alla Pugachova got (re)merried in Ejmiadzin in Mayr Tajar. style_images/master/snapback.png che ha??? lurj??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I think the Armenian Church should re-think the whole procedure. If they ask me in front of the altar "Until death tears you apart".... Hell, it would take a huge amount of time to answer... style_images/master/snapback.png Gamavor, Armos actually don't ask that, there version goes something like "Ter es?" to the guy. There was a forum here where they were debating to replace this with the Western wording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kakachik77 Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Elovna, what country are you from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Gamavor, Armos actually don't ask that, there version goes something like "Ter es?" to the guy. There was a forum here where they were debating to replace this with the Western wording. style_images/master/snapback.png I just wish there was a moment one could relise how offencive the word Armo sounds, even so more when spoken by your own fellow Armenian. And this was used and invanted by others, mexicans in perticular, the word which goes in the same line as "nigger" how sad and provacative to hear it. wile in other threads we here promote and salute Armenian calture we find something like word Armo in the same forum, people please, if you have any pride! stop using this word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Edward interesting you should bring that up now. I was just having the same conversation with a friend.I told them Armo doesn't sound good to me,to say or to hear...but I didn't really know why. I heard our children using that word and I cringed... They thought it was find to use...dunno... sorry for the thread jack,but I'm wondering what the majority thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakharar Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I agree. Armo sounds too ghetto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I use Armo all the time and think it suits us quite well. I somehow don't feel it has the same weight as the n-word or k-word. Maybe because I don't live in LA. Don't know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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