Anileve Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Do we as individuals have inherent self-worth or must we earn it? If we must earn it than is it through the impact we have on others or through our accomplishments for ourselves. We often hear the phrase, “they must earn my respect,” so in essence the only way we gain that worth is through impressing others? That would defy the concept that everyone is special, because unless you prove your worth you are insignificant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I believe in karma and thus I think there is an initial amount endowment you have to begin your life if you did something worth in the previous one. However, you can't stay on the same level because you're spoiling your karma that way. So, you need an effort to move to the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I believe in karma and thus I think there is an initial amount endowment you have to begin your life if you did something worth in the previous one. However, you can't stay on the same level because you're spoiling your karma that way. So, you need an effort to move to the next level. But dear Armen, if we consider Karma, what determines your worth in your previous life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 But dear Armen, if we consider Karma, what determines your worth in your previous life? Feelings, thoughts, but mostly actions and deeds. I mean how you have interacted with people, obstacles you have cleared for yourself and others. Motivation you have given, love and caring you have dispensing, things you have learned, and people you have touched. While it's easy to run through this Life and do for yourself, I think worth can and must partially be placed in one's ability to affect those around as well. While for all intensive purposes we travel this Life journey alone, "Born Alone, Die Alone" the Life wouldn't be anything without all the other hapless travellers such as oneself. Therefore one's worth should have some bearing in one's relation to other denizens of the planet. peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 What Determines People's Worth? Money in the bank account determines people's worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 But dear Armen, if we consider Karma, what determines your worth in your previous life? The life before that one. Evelina, I think there is a certain spiritual charge we receive with our birth. It is reflected through our character, temper, determination etc. However, I didn't say that Karma is something determined, stamped and sealed. Karmic pros and cons are very doubtful. If you have a good Karma e.g. you will go through very hard testings in your phisical life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Money in the bank account determines people's worth Cha-ching. Well if that's the case, I have some "worth-getting" to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Money in the bank account determines people's worth thats for men. for women it is beauty. I know I know I am an asshole. But in general that is the truth. and in general is the key term there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 thats for men. for women it is beauty. I know I know I am an asshole. But in general that is the truth. and in general is the key term there. I think you are referring to the view of materialists and ostentatious superficialists. I agree that in some cases worth is determined by wealth and beauty, but perhaps it all ties in with success. What about individuals who were not wealthy and came from lower class families but the impact they had on others made them successful, rich afterwards and in conclusion more worthy. So perhaps money is a by product. There are rich people who are not considered worth a dime (a paradox), because they are not famous, stingy and have nothing to show for their wealth. Power can be a factor which determines worth, but that also proves the theory that you are nothing in this world unless other people think something of you, power would be nothing without those who obey you and fear you. So can we say that worth doesn't exist, unless it's decided by the society you live in? And by what merits would they judge whether you are worth something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I was kidding, money in the bank account does NOT determine ones worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I was not kidding Sasun jan. Eve, I agree with you on most what you said, and success has to do with ALOT of worth, but you do not have to be successful to be worth something in the view of the general public. All you have to be is rich. And maybe men are dumb I do not know but I do not see any pretty women struggle for anything. Again there are always exceptions to that rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Integrity? Respect? Respect for others? Just a few humble (and possibly naive) suggestions... But really, I think you can measure a certain sense of worth by the love that others hold for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vava Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Nah - you guys are right. It's all about beauty & bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 to me it is not. I look for integrity, respect and respect for others, but some look for money and beauty. :) Actually I personally am not worth of anything if we use my scale. and in many ways I disagree with my own scale, but sometimes I think about this and really many of the men do feel like I do. Many. And I know women usually feel differently about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I must admit I do concur with these fine gentlemen. I tell people all the time that the Life of a pretty woman is rarely touched by any other combination. Even a rich guy can struggle more for total sastisfcation than a pretty woman. Now silly girls can make rich men happy, and there will always be silly over zealous men to shower pretty women with attention. So even though it sounds like a toss up, I still think a pretty woman enjoys quite possible the most charmed Life that can be led. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lana Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 for women it is beauty. Then why am I so worried about being not only beautiful but also kind, smart, accurate, honest, reliable, caring, loving, understanding, interesting, with sense of humor... Oh, your words helped me to relax However I might not agree about money and all this stuff. It is some strenght and power in some people that make us value them. And this power is definitely not in money, but in their ability to understand, love and care about others. And when we see that someone can just do that without trying to get something in change then we begin to treat him as someone who deserves great respect. It's just difficult sometimes to find such people around us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 (edited) I think we should determine our own self worth. Edited August 27, 2004 by Maral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I think we determine our own self worth. ayo, and that worth can be higher if you're sirun and you know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 ayo, and that worth can be higher if you're sirun and you know it. I am soooooooo taking that personally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sev-mard Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 I am soooooooo taking that personally! Tantig, do whatever makes you happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Tantig, do whatever makes you happy. akh if only more people were as smart as you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armat Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 I am very comfortable of being worthless. Too much burden, weight upon self. I seek to unburden, unwind, and undo everything superficial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 Do we as individuals have inherent self-worth or must we earn it? If we must earn it than is it through the impact we have on others or through our accomplishments for ourselves. If a person truly respects himself he will also respect other people. It's this that reflects a person's worth. A person is also highly regarded if he lives by the belief of treating others like he wants to be treated. Of course, one needs to be a person of strong character and have confidence in himself (therefore I said that one needs to respect himself first and foremost). But I don't think that a person is born with a strong character. (Yes, genes can play a role in this but not so much.) I think a person's character is shaped by his environment, most importantly by his parents. His parents, in turn, have to respect themselves. It's a continous cycle. Of course, there can be exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoushik Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 I am very comfortable of being worthless. Too much burden, weight upon self. I seek to unburden, unwind, and undo everything superficial. How can a person's worth be superficial? Or are you just talking about the kind of worth measured by wealth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted August 28, 2004 Report Share Posted August 28, 2004 Մարդ մարդով է Մարդ: Մարդս Մարդ լինի: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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