Sasun Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) Evelina, it seems like you have a different understanding of altruism. Can you define altruism the way you understand? What is altruism? In the other thread I brought the most vivid example of war heros, these are people who gave up their lives for others. Are you saying that they had some kind of a masochistic pleasure in dying? I can bring many real examples of heros, they may or may not be religious. At least in the case of those who were not religious your explanation of heavenly reward doesn't work. Attainting pleasure from dying doesn't work either as these people didn't show any suicidal inclanations before going to war. So they cared about their country so much that they were ready to give up their lives. To me this is altruism, and the root cause of atruism is love where love has no root cause, it is the basic element. To claim that there is no altruism is to claim that there is no love. So are you saying that there is no love? P.S. Just to make sure, here are many real life heros http://janfedayi.com . But I do realize that at this point your disagreement is not whether these facts exist or not, but the nature of them. You don't see anything altruistic when someone volunteers to go to war and die because, in your opinion, they have some kind of a not apparent non-altruistic motivation. I ask you to clearly and logically prove that your conviction is true. I hope you realize that I can bring many more examples but that's not the point. Edited September 4, 2004 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted September 4, 2004 Report Share Posted September 4, 2004 (edited) Actually I have no problem recognising that human emotions are really a set of unromantic concepts which overtime have been accessoriesed with frills and thrills. Sure why not, if I eat my steak I enjoy the variety of flavors and seasonings, but in reality the main dish is a slab of meat which has been carved out of a body of some poor cow, which was probably squeeling from pain as she was slaughtered. But do I like to think of it when I eat my luscious steak? Hell no! I would like to believe that I am treating my stomach with some divine textures of grilled meat marinated in the juices of some port wine. It makes it a lot more exciting doesn't it? The thing is... I never forget where my steak came from; I realise the reality and I don't deny it. Don't forget that some people don't eat meat. They realize it is bad and they don't do it. You see, people are different, your experience is different from others' experiences, hence your understanding is also different from others' understanding. You cannot measure everyone with your own personal, narrow standards. (All our personal experiences are but narrow.) The human bein is comprised of only two worlds: physical and emotional, everything else is an embelishment of a steak loving romantic. style_images/master/snapback.png How do you know? Maybe you personally don't know any other worlds but they exist. Have you thougth about this possibility? What makes you so sure that your own experiences and understanding are all inclusive and there cannot be anything else that you don't know? Edited September 4, 2004 by Sasun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nané Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 I believe in karma and thus I think there is an initial amount endowment you have to begin your life if you did something worth in the previous one. However, you can't stay on the same level because you're spoiling your karma that way. So, you need an effort to move to the next level. style_images/master/snapback.png Aha ! So you do believe in reincarnation ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 I respect no one, and the only way I will is if someone earns my respect. Hint to earn my respect: When someone learns to properly use nuclear weapons, which then can destroy life on earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azat Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 you turkey, and I you respected me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymouse Posted December 11, 2004 Report Share Posted December 11, 2004 Apologies my good man. I'm a very disrespectful kinda guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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