Guest DoJudo Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 To be or not to be(a virgin Armenian girl, sorry lady)? I think this question is too delicate, and it's not just the Armenians who hold the issue of virginity as sacred. This here is not a car. And we all should do whatever makes us happy. However, to call "sluts" to all who have premarital sex is wrong, and to call others ancient or old timers for not having sex is wrong. And Armenian guys aren't $hit out of luck, there are PLENTY of girls who hold off, and PLENTY who don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsher101 Posted August 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 I know for one that when dating and when I married I did not either expect nor really care - non-issue really - (and certainly not prefer) a virgin...if anything the opposite (when dating in particular) - I mean experience is good - as in most things - practice makes perfect - that sort of thing...and it was nice to bed gals who more or less knew what they wanted and also who knew how to please and such... And yes - I always recommend sex before marriage (with the potential future missus I mean...but yeah no need to limit it to just with her...at least not initially...). So you don't mind your girl who is going to be your wife had had sexual experience with others and once her love was for somebody else but when you came along you became number 2 in her score to touchdown.? and if so then you don't mind being the one left behind once a better bigger and wealthier guy comes along and takes your place? then i agree virginity is not a problem if those things don't cause you to worry about your future marriage life if you think people should get married. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 I know at least three guys who married virgins and later got divorced. Those "holly" virgins once they discovered sex nothing could stop them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 I know at least three guys who married virgins and later got divorced. Those "holly" virgins once they discovered sex nothing could stop them. OH great point! All the girls I know who were virgins when they married are divorced now too! See thought they married while they were virgins they still are able to tell when their husband is a dud,and the ones who weren't virgins at least knew a little more about life and made better choices for husbands. Man you guys are so out of touch with reality...sad very sad... I have 3 daughters I'm raising...and trust me I will tell them to run as fast as they can from men who have backwards standards like the ones I've been hearing around here. LIke I said before,these men want control and nowadays women don't have to put up with anything! There is no way I'm letting any of my daughters be controlled in any way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 On top of it, what kind of sacrament marriage could be if the most valuable thing cherished by the husband is the sound hymen? If this is all she has to offer.... keep her for yourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 (edited) On top of it, what kind of sacrament marriage could be if the most valuable thing cherished by the husband is the sound hymen? If this is all she has to offer.... keep her for yourselves. Very well said. I hate it when F.O.B's come to the US just so they could "enjoy life" then look for a "pure" Armenian girl. Can you believe most of this guy's go back to Armenia just to find themselves a wife? Not that I would ever car to be seen with those Rabiz clowns. (most not all) Sick!!! Marriage is nothing but a business deal for them. What ever happened to love? Edited August 25, 2004 by ExtraHye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 What an interesting topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Yeah, don't you feel as if you are in a time machine? The next best topic is "overly controling Armenian men"! I haven't seen one yet, but lets hope that I will live long enough to see.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 you guys are funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraHye Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 What an interesting topic Well Mr. know it all. Why don't YOU start a new subject to talk about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Well Mr. know it all. Why don't YOU start a new subject to talk about I know it all, where is the need for me to talk about things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 hmmm do you ever think about ODAR may walk in someday or maybe now as a guest and reads all this? that odar must think we Armenian man are animals, thats true in my case of course, ( i remember I always was refered as being an animaaaaal ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 that odar must think we Armenian man are animals, thats true in my case of course, ( i remember I always was refered as being an animaaaaal ) We are!!! In a very positive way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 hmmm do you ever think about ODAR may walk in someday or maybe now as a guest and reads all this? that odar must think we Armenian man are animals, I don't really care what an ODAR would think of us...I'm more worried about getting some of these kids up to date and acting like men from 2004 and not from 1950! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 May I volunteer for the class Maral tantig Jan ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Could you teach them a few things before I tear someones hair out? Teach them to be modern intelligent gentlemen and then I'll have a surprise for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 I'm more worried about getting some of these kids up to date and acting like men from 2004 and not from 1950! Maral, how much up to date exactly? You may end up wishing to reverse the process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarsher101 Posted August 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Maral, how much up to date exactly? You may end up wishing to reverse the process I second that opinion. Specially if Maral has daughters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 akh you guys just don't get it A warning though...the ones with those backwards theories on life..stay the heck away from my well mannered,beautiful,thoughtul,intelligent daughters! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 So you don't mind your girl who is going to be your wife had had sexual experience with others no of course not and once her love was for somebody else but when you came along you became number 2 in her score to touchdown.? obviously and certainly because we married I was/am not #2 in her eyes... I have loved others too as well - how does this diminish the love we have for each other? I don't understand. Are you (falsely) claiming that it is only possible to ever love one? Or that one can hope that they will somehow meet and marry the one and only love in the world for them - etc etc - a pipe dream... And who is to say that having sex with someone is necissairly being in love with them...etc You obviously don't at all live in the real world... and if so then you don't mind being the one left behind once a better bigger and wealthier guy comes along and takes your place? Not at all a worry....why are you so insecure? And you are (again falsely) claiming that just because someone has had sex with more then one person that they are thinking as you are claiming and are just ready to head off with anyone - etc....again what reality are you living in - and who is to say that someone who was a virgin when you met could not act the same? etc then i agree virginity is not a problem if those things don't cause you to worry about your future marriage life if you think people should get married. well....no....I consider that all your assumptions and conclusions are just...wrong....what can I say.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 akh you guys just don't get it A warning though...the ones with those backwards theories on life..stay the heck away from my well mannered,beautiful,thoughtul,intelligent daughters! I wouldn't worry maral...with you teaching/guiding them I find it hard to believe that they would fall for that BS. No worries....and right on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hye_Acher Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Լրջորեն հոգնել եմ կարդալալով միատեսակ թեմանները նորից և նորից: Միթե մենք հաջույք էնք ստանում երբ որ վատաբանում էնք մեր Հայերին և Հայրենիքին? Բարի Օր!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maral Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Լրջորեն հոգնել եմ կարդալալով միատեսակ թեմանները նորից և նորից: Միթե մենք հաջույք էնք ստանում երբ որ վատաբանում էնք մեր Հայերին և Հայրենիքին? Բարի Օր!!! I don't think anybody gets any pleasure if ill is spoken of Armenians...not at all...well I don't anyways. And you're right,this subject just won't go away,and I dont' have control over the lack of respect men,Armenian or not,have for women.And this issue is a lack of respect for Armenian women, and the need to be controlling of them and to feed the man's(boy's) insecurities... But you're right,I'm sick of going around in circles too..ok I'm done and Thoth maybe in 10 or so years they'll see how misinformed they were eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THOTH Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Thoth maybe in 10 or so years they'll see how misinformed they were eh? Well - I wouldn't count on it...though I imagine that some may actually have a real relationship or several under their belts and if they are lucky (and at least a bit sensitive and intelligent) learn something form it/them and understand a few things....but its entirely possible that they will barrel through life with their minds unchanging - with their minds made up...knowing everything etc - and may just - one day - wonder why....why things turned out so poorly or what have you....anyway one never knows - but yeah - it will be satisfying to hear - yeah - you know - maybe you were right about a few things - or some such...one day...maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koko Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 (edited) TB: "Let's go over it again. If: Father=he can't be bothered with the lowly task of being involved in the nitty gritty Mother=left alone by the father to raise her sons; appears to raise replicas of the father (who is not involved in the business) Then: The mother, who is doing the tango alone, has to change something in how she raises her boys, since it won't be coming from the father, who has been raised and trained to be uninvolved in such lowly activities. (that's where the tango fails, you see) The virtuous cycle of ever-better males would never take off without a coherent change in Armenian maternal attitudes towards their boys. That's assuming that Armenian culture is isolated, which of course it is not. Then we can all sit on our butts, and assimilation (in the diaspora) and globalization (in the homeland) will take care of the whole thing." I actually agree with you, though i know that not all armenian fathers are like that though! but this isnt a gender matter, but both children becomes equally" screwded up" , be it a the dauther or the son , as they are rasied in the same family. true true!!!? If the father doesnt care about the chidlren, then i think a divorce between the parents would be very appropriate. Edited August 26, 2004 by koko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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