MSHAK Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 I dont know its a secret or what, but there is a MORMON CHURCH IN YEREVAN. Mormons, sponsored by the powerful states to ruin national values, are spead in Armenia with their mission to destroy our country. I read a great research by Tariel Ghajoyan called "The Mormons in our Home" and published in the new-born Armenian Magazine SHRJADARDZ. Here is the English summary: "Tariel Ghajoyan, The Mormons in our Home The author thoroughly discusses the Mormons’ sectarian ideology and ascertains that the activity of this heterodoxy in RA constitutes threat to the Armenian State and the National Security." The whole article in the Armenian format (PDF) can be read at http://www.hayastan.com/shrjadardz/may.pdf or visit www.shrjadardz.hayastan.com The Mormon - Satanic "Church" of ................Yerevan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Dude, have you ever heard of freedom of consciousness and freedom of religious practices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Dude, have you ever heard of freedom of consciousness and freedom of religious practices? Gamavor, we do not need "mormons" to infest Armenia as well. For Christ sake they speak Hebrew and partake in Jewish cultural dances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Aren't Mormons and Satanists sworn enemies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 EVEN AS Mia Hamm, Kristine Lilly, Julie Foudy, and the rest of the US Women's National Soccer Team compete to defend their Woman's World Cup title tomorrow night in a semifinal match against Germany in Portland, Ore., there is a sense in which they have already lost. On Sept. 15, six days before the opening game of the 2003 World Cup, the Women's United Soccer Association announced that it was folding after three years of operation. The WUSA, conceived in the delirious aftermath of the 1999 World Cup's dramatic conclusion, when the United States defeated China on penalty kicks in front of 90,000 screaming fans in the Rose Bowl, was the first fully professional women's soccer league in this country. Because it included all of America's best players, plus many of the top international players, the WUSA instantly became the premier women's soccer league in the world. ADVERTISEMENT Yet after three years of declining ticket sales and television ratings, the league ownership determined that there was insufficient sponsorship interest to allow the league to become profitable in the foreseeable future, and so they scuttled operations. There simply was not enough revenue to justify sustaining the enterprise. The end of the WUSA is a tragedy. Let's start with the WUSA players participating in the World Cup; there is a sense, as I say, in which they have already lost. But this is not a loss of their own making. The players in the WUSA did everything they could to build the fledgling league into a viable entity. Endless promotional and public relations work. Charity work in their communities. They worked hard to serve as role models for young girls and as ambassadors of the sport. They took pay cuts. Consider that last act: They took pay cuts for the good of the league. In what other sport on the American landscape is it possible even to imagine star players taking pay cuts for the benefit of the larger good? This alone would have made preserving the WUSA a worthwhile endeavor, an antidote to the money-is-everything culture that has suffused American sports. I hope this answers your question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Uuuuuuuuuuuuh..... you mean the question about the relationship between the US Women's National Soccer Team and Mormon/Satanic Church in Armenia? Mmmm yeaaaa.... I guess it answers it... Gamavor jan, please tell me that you were posting in a different thread, otherwise I am afraid to assume that my sense of analogy is currently blunted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) Nope! Read the second paragraph carefuly! I didn't want to circumcise too much the whole article. Edited August 17, 2004 by gamavor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 circumcise нехороший ты человек.... I've sharpened my senses, not enough sponsorship huh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamavor Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 нехороший ты человек.... I've sharpened my senses, not enough sponsorship huh... I never claimed to be human! I'm Crocodile and this is my anthem! http://www.mp3is.com/download/Crocodile-Ge...mp3-S163100.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! Gamavor jan, you are the best! I actually watched that cartoon not long ago. "Obmanuli duraka na chetiri kulaka!" Here is something for you, let's see if you remember. Towards the Past - Guess from where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 All these sects are burning our "holy" clergy's ass. And our church is worried only because it thinks it will lose its financial base. I would put all those Echmiadzin fat clergy to Khorvirab again for some decade until they understand how Grigor Lusavorich and other church leaders earned their respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 As the Red Comrades used to say: "Religion is the opium of the people." There is no other political system I despise more, but that is about the only point I agree with. If religion is to exist and flourish it should be free to branch out in every direction, for it supposedly teaches tolerance and "love" towards thy neighbor, if you follow some religious "path" don't complain about other religious preferences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Bolshevizm and the present American understanding of freedom represent two polars of the same atheist emptyness. While Bolshevizm (and Fascizm) decelerated human nature to glorifcation of haterade, present so-called democracy tends to dry out the human soul leaving us with animalistic instincts limited only by a legal system, which is a dehumanizing mechanizm. Religion should go because it has done its job already. Faith and belief, however, should leave and be cognized by those who wish to asses the real understanding of liberty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=VAHE=- Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 You guys are crack heads. Inch religion should go it is this and that. Gnatsek mi kich xelq havkeq. I have 4 priests in my family. I know the church by now. inch corruption ayy kez ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
America-Hye Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 The church fathers are TERRIFIED because they have lost touch with their flock. So they lobby to have the government create a monopoly for them. In a free society all religions are accepted. The sect of Christianity that I adhere to considers all major Christian sects today to be seriously influenced by paganism, yet I would never take away the right of any one of them to practice their beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 You guys are crack heads. Inch religion should go it is this and that. Gnatsek mi kich xelq havkeq. I have 4 priests in my family. I know the church by now. inch corruption ayy kez ban. Gevo, this is not new trend I have seen this same excuse used when ever the mention of sending aid to Armenia is brought up. The only religious doctrine and church I would visit is the Armenian Apostolic, but in no way would I say they are corrupt just because I am not religious. The church fathers are TERRIFIED because they have lost touch with their flock. So they lobby to have the government create a monopoly for them. In a free society all religions are accepted. The sect of Christianity that I adhere to considers all major Christian sects today to be seriously influenced by paganism, yet I would never take away the right of any one of them to practice their beliefs. No, every Christian sect is different and Mormons are no exception. We need to stop trying to "replace" what we have and instead make it stronger. I am not a religious fanatic and in fact have not seen the walls of the Armenian Church in a long time, but in no way is "switching" religious doctrines going to help me. The very meaning of "having faith" is lost when you switch religions. Furthermore, replacing it with a bogus religion like Mormonism, which at one point practiced polygamy, will not help Armenians and Armenia in general. Instead, we need to strengthen our culture, our religion, and our beliefs. We are one of the "oldest" ethnicities on the planet, but yet we do not act like it. By replacing our ancient church for a artificial one is just wrong in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Vigil, we replaced paganism with Christianity. Then the Armenian Church split into a thousand branches like it should in a healthy society. Then we were atheists for 80 years. Now the Armenian Church and its zillion branches apparently are not interesting anymore for many Armenians. Instead of condemning other religions and Armenians feeling attracting to them, we should ask ourselves why this is happening and potentially doing something to make our own attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vigil Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) Vigil, we replaced paganism with Christianity. Then the Armenian Church split into a thousand branches like it should in a healthy society. Then we were atheists for 80 years. Now the Armenian Church and its zillion branches apparently are not interesting anymore for many Armenians. Instead of condemning other religions and Armenians feeling attracting to them, we should ask ourselves why this is happening and potentially doing something to make our own attractive. Yes, I understand that Nairi, but we all know that being a Mormon is no better if not worse then being a Armenian Apostolic. Sorry, but I just see no logic in "switching" to a sect of Christianity that at one point practiced polygamy. We commited a "ass" two thousand years ago when we leveled our "pagan" buildings and abandoned our true national religion, but now that we have let us not commit the same mistake by forshaking this part of our culture as well. Edited August 17, 2004 by Vigil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sip Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Sorry, but I just see no logic in "switching" to a sect of Christianity that at one point practiced polygamy. Actually, that's pretty much the only part of any religion that has ever made sense to me ... including Islam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 You are something else. See I understand polygamy if the ownership of the custom was bestowed upon a woman, however it wouldn’t make much sense for a man. For example: A man in such countries as the ones practicing polygamy has to support his family, meaning he has to work to support his several wives and his numerous children, in which case he feels like a mule. Second of all, he has to deal with menstruation of all of the women, and since it is a known phenomenon that women in close proximity of each other tend to have their monthly cycles at the same time, well you know what that means. Thirdly, that would mean having to satisfy them emotionally and physically every time a request is made, and although it sounds plausible some women are thirstier than others, so the task may become quite draining after some time. Let’s examine the situation if the roles were reversed. The husbands of the woman practicing polygamy would all have to work along with her, since we are assuming it is a modern concept due to the fact that polygamy of such nature never existed. If all of the men work chances are the wealth will be hitting the roof, they can have their guy time by spending time with each other without the woman disliking “her husband’s friends who might influence him in some way”. Also everything in the house will always be running smoothly and no need to beg 3 thousand times for him to fix something. Also if the man is moody and wants to retrieve to his corner chances are the other one is eager to please. I mean there are soooo many benefits I can go on for hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 but in no way would I say they are corrupt just because I am not religious. Vigil, I am a believer and I am an Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Christian. But I say our Church is corrupt. The only thing that the Catholicos is driving a Mercedes in these times of hunger (for some 100.000 people) in Armenia and has no connection to the people whatsoever is enough to say that the Church is corrupt. And I can bring hundreds of such examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellthecat Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Also everything in the house will always be running smoothly and no need to beg 3 thousand times for him to fix something. Ahhh .. but she would make up for that by moaning 3 thousand times a day about how they never put the toilet seat back down. Also if the man is moody and wants to retrieve to his corner chances are the other one is eager to please. But houses do not have that many "corners" (attics, basements, garden sheds, etc) for men to individually retire to. With women, they can all be stuffed together out of the way in the kitchen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 With women, they can all be stuffed together out of the way in the kitchen! Like in those videos from Iraq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 There is nothing wrong in having different sects or religions in Armenia. Calling a religion other than yours "satanic" is just silly (unless that religion happens to be the Satanist religion) because everyone can call your own religion "satanic" with equal success. The more choices people have the better for them in terms of choosing the right path for themselves. Nobody has the right to forbid anyone any (non-violent) religious path. The official Armenian Apostolic Church is far off the mark. I think this topic has been addressed on many occassions in HyeForum,... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anileve Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 Ahhh .. but she would make up for that by moaning 3 thousand times a day about how they never put the toilet seat back down. But houses do not have that many "corners" (attics, basements, garden sheds, etc) for men to individually retire to. With women, they can all be stuffed together out of the way in the kitchen! You are obviously not taking my theory seriously, it's a pity since the idea is quite brilliant. And in terms of the toilet, all of the men combined will make enough money to a afford a house with more than one bathroom, where a woman can have her own bathroom and not ever worry about the seat or inferior stains. I once had a guy give the entire bathroom for only my own use, that was sooo awesome!!! I definitely have to experience it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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