Guest DoJudo Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Ok, I have some issues with the TV programs airing on 24 hour Armenian Television and same problems present in TV stations airing in Glendale and other communities. Everyday there is somebody on air talking about "hayapahpanum", and how Armenian youth are culturally assimilating with others , yet they fail to see that THEY(the one's who set the example) are the problem. Language. Turn the TV on to listen and watch Armenian shows, and you get either Russian, Persian, English, or something else. It's ridiculous, the news is done in Russian, commercials in Russian, sometimes Persian. Music Videos are non-Armenian, movies in Russian. Now I know that the producers, such as Sarki know that there are a lot of Armenians who don't speak Russian, such as myself. The whole point of me buying Armenian Channel is to watch Armenian things. I see this as a very deep problem for the diaspora youth. If you see that your own culture is displaying music, movies, and other things that belong to another culture on their own time, then that must be what's COOL, and they will dress, talk, and act in the manner which they see. I am aware that there are good Russian and Persian movies that should be shown to the Armenians, and I don't think it would take much to TRANSLATE to Armenian. A good example of this is "Voske Hort" which is a Soviet film that I like very much and it is translated in Armenian so I can understand what the hell they are saying. I hope I sound angry, because I am. I have voiced my opinion to the TV station, but all I got was there are a lot of Armenians in LA from Hayastan and they like watching Russian movies. Please tell me your opinions, am I wrong here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 since you have started it... i have a problem with the 24-hour awtv, the armenian channel. my specific problem is with their global news anchor, Merry Mouradian. there are really fews things in this world that make me annoyed or make me go paranoic, and one of them is this lady. everytime i hear her reporting the global news i want to smash the tv and go jump off the bridge... and all this in all seriousness. and the reason for all this is the way she speaks armenian. i really appreciate her effort to provide global news to armenian community, however, she should at least try to do a good job at it. first, she does not herself talk in armenian well. second, the materials she presents are direct, and i mean it, direct translations of english material. she translates the materials word by word, literally, without finding the right equavalent of the words in armenian, without changing the order of words in the sentences to make it proper armenian. add to that her special annoying intonation and melancholic voice and you get the best weapon to make masses go wild. listening to this "armenian" reports are just uniquely horrible experiences that i do not wish to my worst enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel4hope Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 as ashot khasarian says..." haghortavarooheen karogh e cholesterol oonenal, bayts eervoong choonee tllik lenel" i dont know how much it makes sense to you guys, but its from one of his recent shows which i really liked- hadalo or meaninag behind it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheekY Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 (edited) You're talking about Armenian TV in the US right? Because I haven't noticed any Persian movies in Armenia and they show Russian films on Russian channels mostly? And believe me Armenian TV is like 90% crap. So don't be upset that you can't watch anything Armenian lol Like months ago they tried to do a "MTV Dismissed" kind of program here... and it's gone now lol ...hmm i wonder why... Edited July 22, 2004 by skittles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teutonic Knight Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Armenian culture has to exist for it not to be replaced with Turkish, Russian, Arabic or Persian ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I am aware that there are good Russian and Persian movies that should be shown to the Armenians, and I don't think it would take much to TRANSLATE to Armenian. A good example of this is "Voske Hort" which is a Soviet film that I like very much and it is translated in Armenian so I can understand what the hell they are saying. This is an incredibly good translation. The movie in Russian is very good, but the Armenian translation and the voice of the main character as well as other characters is so good that the movie actually has a better quality in Armenian. A must see movie. There are not many Soviet movies dubbed in Armenian. But there are many voice-over translated American movies, hope they won't show them in Glendale, that would be funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I don't remember who it was, but someone told me that they had read Shakespeare in Russian in their youth and then in English when they had learned the language and become disappointed in the latter case. Is Russian more powerful or was the person's expectation too high? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 I don't remember who it was, but someone told me that they had read Shakespeare in Russian in their youth and then in English when they had learned the language and become disappointed in the latter case. Is Russian more powerful or was the person's expectation too high? I am not sure Stormig, I doubt. It may have been an artful translation. But neither my English nor Russian (especially) are good enough to know that for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormig Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 It may have been an artful translation. OK, that makes sense now that I think about it. I might have been being given "advice" about how to translate well (something I did do for a bit). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harut Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 This is an incredibly good translation. The movie in Russian is very good, but the Armenian translation and the voice of the main character as well as other characters is so good that the movie actually has a better quality in Armenian. A must see movie. There are not many Soviet movies dubbed in Armenian. But there are many voice-over translated American movies, hope they won't show them in Glendale, that would be funny Another excellent translation is Rustam Yev Zohrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[OP]HYEMP3KING Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) Tgherk jan, dzer cave tanem....Haykakan aliknere, stegh Losum yev nayev....Hayastanum petk E inchpes asac...."technologically come to date" ayo...baci iranc xosale, yevayln, petk E lav cragirn er el unenan, vor amboghj Hayutyune karogh E lsel, ditel, hajuyk stanal cragiric. Mi kani amis a H1 & Horizon aliknere unem, kani vor Encino em aprum, cheyi kara dzerk bereyi Haykakan alikner, bayc kani vor Globcaste talis E hima, et yerku aliknere unem. Asem Hayastani H1 alike porcum E ayspes asac....Amerikacineri pes linel...en xoskov vor porcum en amen inch professional kirt dzevov nerkacacnen....sakayn shat shat shat baner kan vor der piti ughen, yev poxen iranc cragirneri mech....yesim tgherk.... Edit by Edward...... I think you were notified posting web sites like that is prohibited Hajoghutyun Edited August 18, 2004 by Edward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 Another excellent Armenian translation is Hamlet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 18, 2004 Report Share Posted August 18, 2004 yete tsankanum en vorak uremn petqe texnika lini - yete texnika e petq uremn $$$$$$$ e petq - yete $$$ petq uremn Sponserner en petq - yete yerkir@ uni 3 milyon bnakchutyun yev @ndhamen@ mek bur gortsater / sponeser vor territs iydqan $$$$$$ kam el H1 Tv n@man petq e lin ur metsamasnutyun@ petutyan kormits e vjarvum, Hayastanum kan nayev Prometevs & A1+ A1 Shanth yev mi qani urish kayaner - asum en te Prometevs@ shat vali bartser vorak uni qan H1 chnayats vro ye sinq@s H1 hamarya te amen or nayum em, de inch-xosq bavakanin zgali e karavarakan azdetsutyun@ tsragreri mej, sakayn aveli lav e H1 nayem qan mi shatq LA Hye TV'ner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Another excellent translation is Rustam Yev Zohrab This is such a great movie and a really great tranlation as well... last time I saw this movie was maybe 10 years ago, I would give much to see it again, but how, where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasun Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Another excellent Armenian translation is Hamlet You mean there is a Russian movie Hamlet translated? I must have missed it (either translated or not). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lana Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 Well, I won't say anything about the Armenian TV, because I am used to it and I don't mind Russian movies on it though I can understand the fury of those who don't speak Russian. But how great was mu surprise when I first saw the american armenian programs. I couldn't understand anything because they were in West Armenian. Well, I decided to watch programs in East Armenian, but they were even worse: a mix of the two ones plus American accent. Believe me I know for sure that these people can speak Armenian without an American accent. Why do they make themselves ridiculuos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 How many billions does it take to dub foreign movies and their stupid soap operas? For a country with a big diaspora, it woudn't be an unjustifiable expense to make their TV look a bit more advanced than that of a 1970s banana republic. H1 is downright depressing to watch, except when they interview somebody interesting once in a blue moon. In addition to innumerable shorfalls in content, the sound quality is atrocious to boot. The only redeeming quality were the commercials, and now they are largely replaced by stupid ones geared for the American diaspora, when watched via satellite. Well, I know how to cheer myself up: it can only get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I hate dubbed movies. Use subtitles!!! Much cheaper, faster, easier and attractive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MosJan Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 You mean there is a Russian movie Hamlet translated? I must have missed it (either translated or not). yes Sasunjan Russian movie Hamlet translated to Armenia and it's one of the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I hate dubbed movies. Use subtitles!!! Much cheaper, faster, easier and attractive! I agree, but from the perspective of a diasporan, in the absence of Armenian-made movies, the best thing would be movies properly dubbed in Armenian (rather than the horrible, unprofessional voiceover -- fine for documentaries, unacceptable for anything else). Besides, I would get a kick out of seeing Armenian come out of the mouths of Hollywood stars. Of course the real problem is that the government is too dumb and visionless to have a few diapora-oriented, professionally executed satellite (or even internet) channels. I guess they figure that their underperformance at home makes sure that the diaspora (and its cash) is replenished with no conscious effort at preservation and inspiration on their part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I agree, but from the perspective of a diasporan, in the absence of Armenian-made movies, the best thing would be movies properly dubbed in Armenian (rather than the horrible, unprofessional voiceover -- fine for documentaries, unacceptable for anything else). Besides, I would get a kick out of seeing Armenian come out of the mouths of Hollywood stars. I so so so disagree!! Maybe because I grew up in Holland, land of subtitles, next to Germany, land of dubbing. Everything in Holland is subtitled, including the news etc. You get to hear real voices with real people. No mouths moving in the wrong direction and missing out what is really said. This is especially annoying when you understand the foreign language!! Like that Turkish doc I was watching. I cringe every time the voice-over comes on and drowns the English or Armenian. Seriously, I really wouldn't mind the Dutch system applied to Armenia TV. I'd even be proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Bark Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 I so so so disagree!! Maybe because I grew up in Holland, land of subtitles, next to Germany, land of dubbing. Everything in Holland is subtitled, including the news etc. You get to hear real voices with real people. No mouths moving in the wrong direction and missing out what is really said. This is especially annoying when you understand the foreign language!! Like that Turkish doc I was watching. I cringe every time the voice-over comes on and drowns the English or Armenian. Seriously, I really wouldn't mind the Dutch system applied to Armenia TV. I'd even be proud. As I said before, from the perspective of a diasporan, what would be the point of watching a movie on Armenian channel, if it is in English/French/whatever, with subtitles. I agree with you that it would be better for the audience in Armenia. That's why I emphasized the diasporan perspective etc. I hope it's clear now. I wouldn't want you to so, so, soooo disagree with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nairi Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) Edit: Now I get it. I still disagree with the diasporan perspective of wanting things dubbed. I hate dubbing. That's why. I wouldn't mind reading Armenian and potentially understanding the original language. Agreed on the rest Edited August 19, 2004 by nairi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artsakh Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 DoJudo: i am fully in agreement with you, its just amazing how "some" people can't seem to understand. keep up the good fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-=VAHE=- Posted August 19, 2004 Report Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) Stop complaining remember how bad Armenian Tv was a few years back. That channel coming through Armenia which I think was h1 ? I'm not sure, but that was top of the line stuff compared to the Armenian TV here in L.A. Hey whats up with channel 18 every sunday or saturday where it shows an hour of Armenian tv. It seems like it's still the 1992 armenian tv which is the equivelant of 1970's American TV. ( quality wise). I was also wondering what channels Armenians in Hollywood get. But Glendale is going up in quality programming. Edited August 19, 2004 by Vahe G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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